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Speaking through their attornies several whistleblowers have come forward to allege that 400 US Surface to Air Missiles were stolen from Libya on the night of the Benghazi attack and that the U.S. Intelligence community is fearful that they will be used to shoot down airliners:
DiGenova said his sources are ‘former intelligence officials who stay in constant contact with people in the Special Ops and intelligence community.’
‘And it’s pretty clear that the biggest concern right now are 400 missiles which have been diverted in Libya and have gotten in the hands of some very ugly people.’
diGenova said that while he was uncertain whether the stolen weapons were being kept at the U.S. Consulate’s CIA annex, ‘it is clear that the annex was somehow involved in the process of the distribution of those missiles.’
This would explain Hillary’s hasty exit.
This incident should be thoroughly investigated by an independent prosecutor.
After posting this story I went to see what was new in the news. Can you believe it, the first thing I came across was an announcement that Hillary will begin a speaking tour:
Cheeky!
Well she’s launched…let’s hope she crashes in the primaries.
Makes the arming of Mexican drug gangs seem like child’s play. What has to happen before we remove Obama from office?
If this was not an arms deal gone wrong, why would we have 400 stingers in that scenario? Begs to ask what Obama is paying to keep the terrorists from using them?
They wouldn’t be the ideal weapon for surface to surface combat but I bet they could do a bit of damage to an embassy. Could that be what last weeks closings were about?
What will Obama and Clinton have to say when things start falling out of the sky?
I am going to google this story and see what the MSM is saying, that shouldn’t take long.
Shrillary is going on a speaking tour to restore faith in goofernment???????? After her performance in Benghazigate?????
Pardon me, folks. Just fell off my chair laughing.
You think you can’t be anymore repulsed by the actions of Obama and then the sun comes up and he outdoes himself again. Sometimes he does it 2-3 maybe 4 times in one day.
Breitbart expands on the information from one attorney for the whistle blowers:
These are some of the refugees from the anti-gun, anti-violence, anti-war, anti-nuke, pro-peace-nik party…yes?
Looks like the little devils were just funnin’ with us all along.
As for me I would sooner trust a died in the wool military man with honor, training, dignity and a well defined strategy and purpose.
This bunch smiles and waves the flag…shoots from the hip…then hides behind the livery stable to collaborates with the enemy.
Missing missiles, a video producer rotting away in prison, eye witnesses sworn to secrecy and hidden from the public would lead a blind dog to smelling a stinking rat.
Looks like why Obama made a BIG oops when he revealed the Benghazi “sealed indictment.”
President Obama’s Surprise Revelation of Sealed Benghazi Indictment:
President Obama surprised aides when he revealed today the existence of a sealed indictment in the Benghazi, Libya, attack, leaving some wondering if he crossed a legal line.
At a press conference at the White House, President Obama was asked whether justice would come to those responsible for the terrorist attack nearly a year ago in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador.
“[W]e have informed, I think, the public that there’s a sealed indictment,” the president responded. “It’s sealed for a reason. But we are intent on capturing those who carried out this attack, and we’re going to stay on it until we get them.”
That marked the only official confirmation so far of a sealed indictment in the Benghazi case. For days, officials across the law enforcement and intelligence communities have refused to publicly confirm reports of a sealed indictment.
After all, according to federal law, “no person may disclose [a sealed] indictment’s existence,” and a “knowing violation … may be punished as a contempt of court.” Contempt of court carries a maximum sentence of six months in jail.
A U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, called the president’s disclosure “crazy.”
“Doesn’t the law apply to the president too?” the official asked, and then jokingly added,
“I guess he could pardon himself.”
In fact, though, the president is effectively immune from breaking the law when it comes to a sealed indictment, according to a former prosecutor in the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Section
“The [president], by virtue of his position, can’t violate any non-disclosure/confidentiality rule,” said Peter Zeidenberg, now in private practice in Washington. “One of the perks of being the head of the executive branch: Nothing he says is technically a leak. If he does it, it is authorized.”
However, Zeidenberg acknowledged “an argument could be made that a sealed matter can only be unsealed by a court.”
Zeidenberg helped lead the investigation into who leaked the secret identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame in 2003 and the subsequent prosecution of vice presidential aide “Scooter” Libby for lying to federal officials about his role in all of it.
After the president’s remarks, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Washington, where the sealed indictment is believed to have been filed, still declined to comment about reports of a sealed indictment in the Benghazi probe. An email asking specifically about the president’s remarks was not immediately returned.
Despite the president’s chosen words, a White House official insisted he “was simply referencing widely reported information and was not asked about, nor did he comment on any specific indictment.”
A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment,
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obamas-surprise-revelation-sealed-benghazi-indictment/story?id=19920474
Sealed Indictment Law and Legal Definition:
An indictment is a formal accusation of a felony, issued by a grand jury based upon a proposed charge, witnesses’ testimony and other evidence presented by the public prosecutor (District Attorney). It is the grand jury’s determination that there is enough evidence that the defendant committed the crime to justify having a trial voted by a grand jury. In order to issue an indictment, the grand jury doesn’t make a determination of guilt, but only the probability that a crime was committed, that the accused person did it and that he/she should be tried. District Attorneys do not present a full case to the grand jury, but often only introduce key facts sufficient to show the probability that the accused committed a crime.
The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment of a Grand Jury….” . Therefore grand juries are often used in charging federal crimes. However, states often use a “preliminary hearing” held by a lower court judge or other magistrate in place of a grand jury to determine whether the prosecutor has presented sufficient evidence that the accused has committed a felony. If the judge finds enough evidence that the accused committed a crime, the case will be ordered to be sent to the appropriate court for trial.
A sealed indictment an indictment that is sealed so that it stays non-public until it is unsealed. This can be done for a number of reasons. It may be unsealed, for example, once the named person is arrested.
The following is an example of a federal rule dealing with sealed indictments:
The magistrate judge to whom an indictment is returned may direct that the indictment be kept secret until the defendant is in custody or has been released pending trial. The clerk must then seal the indictment, and no person may disclose the indictment’s existence except as necessary to issue or execute a warrant or summons.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/s/sealed-indictment/
Dang, I just realized why no air support was sent to save those guys. Those missiles were in the annex, or some of the 400 were.
The National Black Republican Association (NBRA) based in Sarasota, FL, headed by Chairman Frances Rice, filed Articles of Impeachment against President Barack Obama with the following language:
We, black American citizens, in order to free ourselves and our fellow citizens from governmental tyranny, do herewith submit these Articles of Impeachment to Congress for the removal of President Barack H. Obama, aka, Barry Soetoro, from office for his attack on liberty and commission of egregious acts of despotism that constitute high crimes and misdemeanors.
On July 4, 1776, the founders of our nation declared their independence from governmental tyranny and reaffirmed their faith in independence with the ratification of the Bill of Rights in 1791. Asserting their right to break free from the tyranny of a nation that denied them the civil liberties that are our birthright, the founders declared:
“When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” – Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776.
THE IMPEACHMENT POWER
Article II, Section IV of the United States Constitution provides: “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”
THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT
In his conduct of the office of President of the United States, Barack H. Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, personally and through his subordinates and agents, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that:
ARTICLE 1
He has covered up, delayed, impeded and obstructed the investigation of the Benghazi Battle.
Specific conduct includes: (1) failing to adequately secure the US Consulate and the CIA annex in Benghazi; (2) failing to send a response team to rescue embattled US citizens in Benghazi; (3) lying to the American people about why the US Consulate and the CIA annex were attacked in Benghazi; and (3) hiding from the media and congressional investigators the Central Intelligence Agency personnel and other wounded US citizens who were on the ground in Benghazi by scattering them throughout the United States, forcing them to adopt new identities and subjecting them to monthly polygraph tests.
Benghazi Battle elements that are under investigation:
On September 11, 2012, the anniversary of the September 11, 2001, the US Consulate and the CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya was targeted in a premeditated, preplanned attack launched without warning by Islamist militants.
Footage of the attack broadcast in real time showed armed men attacking the consulate with rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades, assault rifles, 14.5 mm anti-aircraft machine guns, truck mounted artillery, diesel canisters, and mortars. It was not an act of savage mob violence, nor a spontaneous protest in response to an anti-Islamic video on YouTube.
In that attack, four American citizens were killed: US Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens; Information Officer Sean Smith; and two embassy security personnel, Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods, both former Navy SEALs. Ambassador Stevens is the first U.S. ambassador killed in an attack since Adolph Dubs was killed in 1979.
ARTICLE 2
He has disclosed secret grand jury material by exposing the existence of a sealed indictment of one of the Benghazi attackers in violation of Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure that clearly states: “… no person may disclose the indictment’s existence except as necessary to issue or execute a warrant or summons.’’
ARTICLE 3
He has authorized and permitted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, a division of the Justice Department, to conduct Operation Fast and Furious, wherein guns were sold to Mexican drug trafficking organizations that were used to kill innocent Mexican civilians and two rifles sold to a smuggler in January 2010 ended up at the scene of the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010.
ARTICLE 4
He has authorized and permitted confidential income tax returns information from the Internal Revenue Service to be provided to unauthorized individuals, organizations and agencies.
ARTICLE 5
He has caused investigations and audits to be initiated or conducted by the Internal Revenue Service in a discriminatory manner, including harassment and intimidation of conservative, evangelical and Tea Party groups applying for non-profit status between 2010 and 2012.
Elements of this illegal conduct include the facts that: (1) the head of the Internal Revenue Service tax-exempt organization division, Lois Lerner, admitted during a telephonic press event that illegal targeting occurred, then invoked her Fifth Amendment right and refused to answer questions before Congress about the targeting out of fear of self-incrimination; (2) two other career Internal Revenue Service employees stated that they acted at the behest of superiors in Washington — Carter Hull, a retired Internal Revenue Service Attorney and Elizabeth Hofacre, an employee of the Cincinnati IRS office which oversaw tax-exempt applications; and (3) Carter Hull stated that he was directed to forward the targeted applications to, among others, one of only two political appointees in the Internal Revenue Service Chief Counsel William Wilkins.
ARTICLE 6
He has (1) authorized and permitted the National Security Agency to conduct or continue electronic surveillance of over 300 million average Americans; (2) given access to National Security Agency surveillance data to other intelligence units within the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Secret Service, the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security in violation of the law; and (3) conducted the surveillance of average Americans unconstrained by Congress, the United Supreme Court or the US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court which has, to this date, functioned as a rubber stamp, having approved every request made of it in 2012 and rejecting only two of the 8,591 requests submitted between 2008 and 2012.
ARTICLE 7
He has authorized and permitted the Department of Justice to wiretap and secretly obtain two months of telephone and e-mail records of Fox News Reporter James Rosen and over one hundred Associated Press journalists.
ARTICLE 8
He has thwarted Congress by (1) failing to enforce all or parts of laws duly enacted by Congress, including the Defense of Marriage Act, the No Child Left Behind Act, and the Affordable Care Act; and (2) after Congress refused to pass his Dream Act, unilaterally issuing an executive order directing immigration officers to no longer deport an entire class of illegal immigrants who came here as children, regardless of individual circumstances, and to give them work-authorization permits.
ARTICLE 9
He has violated the Constitution when, on January 4, 2012, (1) he bypassed the U. S. Senate to appoint three members of the National Labor Relations Board, actions that were ruled unconstitutional by the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit which affirmed previous decisions by the Court of Appeal for the D.C. Circuit and the Third Circuit; and (2) he bypassed the U. S. Senate to appoint Richard Cordray to head the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
ARTICLE 10
He has intimidated whistleblowers and brought twice as many prosecutions against whistleblowers as all prior presidents combined. Egregiously, while refusing to prosecute anyone for actual torture, he prosecuted former Central Intelligence Agency employee John Kiriakou for disclosing the torture program.
Wherefore Barack H. Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.
The Articles of Impeachment have been sent to President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, House Speaker Boehner, House Minority Leader Pelosi and the full Judiciary Committee of the US House of Representatives for action.
http://watchdogwire.com/florida/2013/08/13/black-american-citizens-file-articles-of-impeachment-against-obama/
Peggy I saw this but I have too much going on today to do it justice as an article…glad you posted this in comments where it has a chance to be considered.
“Zeidenberg helped lead the investigation into who leaked the secret identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame in 2003 and the subsequent prosecution of vice presidential aide “Scooter” Libby for lying to federal officials about his role in all of it.”
You cannot have any confidence in the legal opinion of Peter Zeidenberg. Valerie Plame was Not a CIA agent. The CIA has no agents, only non-police employees. She had no secret identity, since she was in the Washington cocktail circuit openly talking about her CIA employment. Scooter Libby did not leak anything. That was Democratic operative Richard Armitage. Worse yet, Armitage had admitted that he was the one who talked to the press, even before Libby was interviewed by the FBI. Libby may have misremembered a few details. but he did lie and he did not leak anything. The FBI agents were sent out by the prosecutor under false pretenses in order to “get” Libby for something, anything. I am sure they did not realize that, because they were also lied to. This is what those of us in the business called a “bad faith” investigation, and we despised the lawyers who tried to put us up to it.
“The nature of politics does not engender moral behavior.” Anon. That’s the scary part isn’t it? Politics doesn’t promote ethical behavior, it’s just the opposite and we’ve sure been exposed to the results lately, haven’t we? For some low reason politics is like a magnet for people who haven’t moved up Maslow’s scale since 4th grade. Sure, they may be educated and say the right things, but that doesn’t mean they have integrity and common sense to back it up. We keep getting screwed by these people who lack the character to be leaders. On the flip side, how can voters reliably sort them out? Today’s candidates are more likley to be a creation of professional consultants and that makes me wonder if we ever really know who we’re voting for? For example, do you think the average voter really knows who Barack Obama is? The good part is I think he’s coming into to focus now, but the bad part is it’s almost too late, and look at the damage he’s done.
“…we despised the lawyers who tried to put us up to it.”
Appropriate since they are despicable characters!
Libby went to jail basically for recalling a date inaccurately that had absolutely nothing to do with the (false) allegations regarding the so-called outing of DC social climber Plame. Like everything else in the elitists Democrat camps her story was created and it’s pure fiction.
Voting for a candidate today is like marrying someone to only find out they lied to you just to get you down the aisle. Add in the pressure from the good ole boys to go along to set along and we have the never ending story of a corrupt government with a long line of individuals waiting in the wings to fill vacated seats.
I’m hearing an interesting proposal to change our government presented by Mark Levin in his new book “Liberty Amendments.” Check out the below to see what his proposal is.
Part 1.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mark+levin+hannity+show&mid=855F0191998C1310075B855F0191998C1310075B&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1
Part 2.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mark+levin+liberty+amendments&view=detail&mid=FFD4DEF46CF66376B0CEFFD4DEF46CF66376B0CE&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR
Soaps: “The CIA has no agents, only non-police employees.”
Pretty much everything you wrote about the Valerie Plame case was stupid and wrong, but this is easily the stupidest and wrongest.
https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/support-professional/special-agent.html
Soaps: “She had no secret identity, since she was in the Washington cocktail circuit openly talking about her CIA employment.”
Plame’s identity was secret according to numerous official government memos.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002517.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18924679/#.UhAVuZJQHps
“Scooter Libby did not leak anything. That was Democratic operative Richard Armitage. Worse yet, Armitage had admitted that he was the one who talked to the press, even before Libby was interviewed by the FBI.”
Both Libby and Armitage leaked the name to separate reporters but Armitage’s leak was unintentional; he didn’t know Plame was a covert agent. Libby did know, and leaked the name intentionally for revenge against Plame’s husband.
http://web.archive.org/web/20061113183410/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
Libby was not convicted for the leak, but he was convicted for the multiple lies he told throughout the trial.
I understand, however, why Republicans feel the need to whitewash the scandals of the Bush administration. Plame was targeted because she and her husband knew the justification for the Iraq War was bogus. But let’s all forget that little oopsie, which has resulted in the needless death of thousands of Americans, and pretend that Benghazi, in which four Americans were killed, was somehow worse.
Chris: “Plame was targeted because she and her husband knew the justification for the Iraq War was bogus.”
Ignorant child!
Washington Post-July10, 2004
National Review:
See copy of memo here:
Chris, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but Soaps was a real gov. agent and it’s almost comical that you are telling him what an agent is????
I hope that was okay to mention your former status Soaps? I tried to keep it vague.
Unfortunately Chris you didn’t understand what he was saying. There is a legal line here and you missed it and Soaps got it, then again he’s knows exactly what an agent is because he was one.
Jack, what’s more comical is that someone whom you say used to be a CIA agent actually typed out the words “The CIA has no agents.” Maybe that has some super secret meaning that only CIA agents know, but I don’t speak that code, and I can only evaluate that claim based on what it means in plain English. In plain English, that claim is obviously wrong, and Valerie Plame was a CIA agent. If you or Soaps would like to explain what he meant when he wrote that, please do, because I am completely baffled as to why he would write that.
Tina, nearly everything you’ve posted from the National Review is wrong. The Review asserts that Plame’s identity was not covert, but provides no evidence for that assertion. I, on the other hand, have shown you official government documents showing that Plame’s status was marked as covert on official CIA memos.
The CIA also confirmed in hearings that Plame’s identity was covert. The idea that she was not a covert agent is based on a bad interpretation of the law. The CIA itself does not agree with this interpretation.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/Print/2007/103107.html
It does seem that Joe Wilson lied when he claimed that the mission was not his wife’s idea, but on the more substantial issues, he was right. Saddam was not looking to buy more yellowcake uranium; the documents mentioned in the National Review and the Washington Post that indicated he was were later revealed to be forgeries. Wilson correctly suspected them of being forgeries at the time. The CIA did not agree with his conclusions, and did not pass them up to the White House. But Wilson was right, and the Bush administration eventually admitted that the documents were forgeries and there was no evidence that Saddam was trying to continue his nuclear program at the time of the invasion.
And the yellowcake that was shipped to Canada in ’09 was not the “smoking gun” vindicating Bush that the National Review and other conservative blogs made it out to be; that stockpile was known to be there for a long time, and existed prior to 1991. There is no evidence that Saddam ever attempted to reconstruct Iraq’s nuclear program after that.
Joe Wilson was right. We should have listened to him.
Sources:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/yellowcake.asp
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500257_162-562312.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries#Wilson_and_Niger
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/072608.html
Chris: I, on the other hand, have shown you official government documents showing that Plame’s status was marked as covert on official CIA memos.”
The memo shows no such thing. It provides an insinuation and nothing more:
And this from the NBC coverage:
The CIA is filled with leftists that hated the fact that Republicans were in the White House. NBC and the Washington Post were not friends of the Bush administration. You have to dive deep into their articles to look for little crumbs of truth. This was a witch hunt…they wanted Cheney and/or Bush…it was purely political.
“…and Valerie Plame was a CIA agent”
The party you cheer on is a phony bunch of schemers and liars; they love to lead young skulls full of mush like yours with slight of hand.
If Plame ever was covert it would be enough to provide the “cover” they needed to claim she was “outed” when in fact she was an employee…and everyone in DC knew it! Outing her as a “covert” CIA agent was about as significant as “outing” the Vice President as someone who held the number two position.
You are/were being played, man.
What is now much worse, is that eight years of bashing Bush and the Republicans and running a black man nobody ever heard of before, yielded a win that has destroyed your immediate future. Your prospects have been severely blunted by a*#h*#%s such as these. You will lose at least ten years of earning power, at least ten years of time to establish yourself after all your hard work, and you still keep falling for the adolescent games these turkeys play.
And by the way, the record isn’t just the criminal, immoral failure in Bengazi…take a look at the mess, and the death toll, in every country this administration has touched with its appeasement and drone strikes policy. We look like absolute fools and certainly like a country that cannot be trusted…not by our allies and not by the enemy!
Wake the hell up!
Tina, I understand you are distracted by your blinding white-hot rage, but it would be nice if you could compose yourself long enough to remember to cite your sources and separate the quotes from your own words. It’s hard to respond to your argument otherwise.
“If Plame ever was covert it would be enough to provide the “cover” they needed to claim she was “outed” when in fact she was an employee…and everyone in DC knew it!”
As usual, you believe that if you just repeat an assertion enough times, it will magically become true. You have provided zero evidence that Plame’s identity was publicly known before the leak. Here is the document referred to by the Washington Post:
http://www.nysun.com/pics/31062_2.php
The document is marked “secret” meaning NONE of the information contained should have been disclosed, including Plame’s identity.
But this is small potatoes. The real scandal is the Bush administration’s determination to invade Iraq under false pretenses. Serious red flags were raised about whether Saddam represented a nuclear threat, and those doubts were ignored because the administration had already made up its mind. You refuse to address the failures of Bush’s policies in the Middle East, the absolute disaster that was the Iraq War, and the needless death of thousands of American soldiers. This is settled history. And yet you expect me to join you in condemning Obama because…an embassy was attacked? Ridiculous. There were far more embassy attacks under Bush and even Reagan, and you didn’t make a peep then. You have lied and spread conspiracy theorists about Benghazi since the first day, all in an effort to assassinate the president’s character.
“You will lose at least ten years of earning power,”
I’ve already lost 40 because people like you don’t believe the minimum wage should even EXIST, let alone keep up with inflation.
Chris: “I understand you are distracted by your blinding white-hot rage, but it would be nice if you could compose yourself long enough to remember to cite your sources and separate the quotes from your own words”
Still on the high horse I see. Blockquotes corrected! Sources were yours!
“The document is marked “secret” meaning NONE of the information contained should have been disclosed, including Plame’s identity.”
“Secret” doesn’t indicate a high level of secrecy, a level one would expect for a covert operation. Besides the story is in the WaPost…water carrier for the Democrat Party…and contained the paragraph I cited above:
She’s a “footnote” in the secret document. That would indicate someone who might have given analysis…someone working a desk job.
But the gullible mind won’t be piqued.
“But this is small potatoes….blah blah blah”
Sorry. I know distraction is all that is left to you now.
I know that it is tempting to reach back to the heady days when accusing an honorable administration of evil just because you didn’t like his decisions was fun and made you feel powerful.
I know that Obama has been an extreme disappointment…not only is he inept in the foreign policy arena, he has completely destroyed the reputation of America with allies and enemies (except for weenies of the left who want to fundamentally transform our republic).
Too late…your turn in the hot seat.
“…in an effort to assassinate the president’s character.”
He’s doing a bang up job of that all by himself!
“I’ve already lost 40 because people like you don’t believe the minimum wage should even EXIST, let alone keep up with inflation.”
Ignorant child!
Tina: ““Secret” doesn’t indicate a high level of secrecy, a level one would expect for a covert operation.”
Pathetic. “Secret” means “secret.” There is no ambiguity here.
“Besides the story is in the WaPost…water carrier for the Democrat Party…”
Oh, I’m sorry. Next time I’ll link to an unbiased, reliable source like Gateway Pundit. Are you kidding me with this? WaPo is a reliable, respected source. Perhaps it’s considered to be so in the right-wing information bubble, but given said bubble’s tenuous connection to reality, I’m under no obligation to give a crap.
“She’s a “footnote” in the secret document. That would indicate someone who might have given analysis…someone working a desk job.”
No, that gives no such indication.
Again: You have provided ZERO evidence that Plame’s identity was not secret. You’ve merely asserted it, over and over again.
You’ve also refused to acknowledge that the other information you posted from the National Review and the Gateway Pundit was erroneous. Both sources argue that Bush was right when he claimed that Saddam was looking to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger, and accused Joe Wilson of “lying” for concluding otherwise. But their information was outdated, and the facts have been clear for years; the documents Bush used to justify invasion were forgeries. Iraq was invaded over a lie.
Once you demonstrate enough integrity to admit that, I’ll get back to your spurious accusations against Obama. I won’t hold my breath.
Chris: “Pathetic. “Secret” means “secret.” There is no ambiguity here.’
Ambiguity – 1. Doubtfulness or uncertainty as regards interpretation.
I agree there is no doubtfullness on your part. You are certain that based on the dictionary you know what “secret” means when its stamped on a piece of paper. My dad could see papers stamped secret, that didn’t mean he could see any information that had the word secret stamped on it. He had a low level clearance that allowed him to see some of the stuff our government marked secret. My son could see papers that had secret stamped on it. He also had a low level clearance working in a particular area of a telecom company. Believe me, covert operations require a level of secrecy that would not (or should not) be seen by most people, even by a desk jockey at the CIA. This memo marked secret doesn’t prove that Plame was a covert operative or agent, sorry.
“WaPo is a reliable, respected source.”
WaPO is a source loved by the left because it was successful in humiliating and ruining the presidency of Richard Nixon. It has been the Democrat Party’s lapdog. That may be changing now; we’ll have to see how it rolls out. I don’t mind a biased paper if it declares itself and treats everyone the same…but it shouldn’t pretend to be doing journalism when clearly it is in the tank for a single party.
As for that bubble you believe I’m in? It’s growing bigger every day while the bubble you occupy (no pun intended) is shrinking dramatically as people discover the corruption and bias. They are losing audience/readership share and they are losing revenue from advertisers.
“No, that gives no such indication.”
WHAAAAAAAAAAA-HAAAAAAAAAA! It does.
“You have provided ZERO evidence that Plame’s identity was not secret. You’ve merely asserted it, over and over again.”
The only evidence you have is a memo that recognizes her in a footnote and the word of a bunch of leftists that were pushing the story hoping to get the President and Vice President. Dirty Politics.
The information George Bush used for the invasion was believed to be true by every one of our allies, the nations of the UN that voted for all of the resolutions against Iraq, members of both parties in the Congress, and everyone in intelligence circles. That Democrats, especially those who approved Bush’s entry into Iraq because of the danger he posed, would later turn on him as if they were bystanders just shows them for the immoral, backstabbing weenies that they are. You can hang your own hat among theirs since you remain unwilling to be educated or to think for yourself!
Make your positions little man and knock off the stupid attempts to denigrate those who happen to disagree.
Your “My sources are good; yours are crap” routine is boring, stupid, and not, as you seem to believe, an argument.
Go ahead defend President Obama…a man who pretends to be a bystander of his own job, separate from the office and the great responsibility he in fact holds.
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