Posted by Jack
Nearly a week after three Oklahoma teenagers allegedly murdered Australian baseball player Chris Lane, President Barack Obama appears to have broken his silence. He, or more properly those who write his Twitter feed on his behalf, tweeted the following.
Predictably, the president is blaming the weapon for the choices made by those who chose to wield it.
The facts of the case do not support any gun control measure short of full confiscation of all firearms in the United States. All three of the accused are underage, so firearm ownership is illegal for them in most circumstances. They cannot legally purchase a firearm without assistance from someone over the age of 18. The shotgun that was recovered from the car that the boys used had its serial numbers filed off, which is a felony. Current gun laws against possession of guns by minors, and against filing off serial numbers, did not stop the boys from doing either one, just as laws against gang activity did not stop the boys from self-identifying with the Crips gang. Laws against murder did not stop them from murdering.
The president had the chance to deplore rap and gang culture which appear to have heavily influenced the boys. That would have been a unifying gesture that might have saved untold numbers of lives. Instead, he chose to blame guns, which will accomplish nothing.
From http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/08/21/is-this-obamas-reaction-to-the-murder-of-chris-lane/
It was not a random shooting, as people were pretending. It was an out-and-out racist hate crime by the Black shooter. You can read his twitter remarks and decide for yourself. But, of course, since he is Black, he will not be charged with a hate crime.
That’s right Soaps. Guess that’s why Obama is staying so aloof on this one, wasn’t a hate crime, but it was a gun crime…more reason to create gun laws, i.e., now we need to ban the evil shotgun, even though it’s Joe Biden’s weapon of 1st choice.
If you follow the logic of Rev. Al Sharpton, it looks like black people don’t commit hate crime, or any crime for that matter, and they all live in crime-free neighborhoods! Oh, never mind the statistics, they are made up by evil white people just to make black people look bad. White cops love to go into crime free black neighborhoods just to target innocent black people. “Stop and frisk” is done in ONLY black neighborhoods by white cops and then they plant drugs or guns on black people, which accounts for the disproportionate incarceration rates of victimized blacks. And since all cops in America are white they must all be racists! That’s Rev. Al’s take on things, and good ol Rev. Al has never met a black thug that ever did anything wrong…they were always victims of racism.
We see this all the time: “Aug. 10, 2011… West Allis, WI police have released a statement saying that incidents at the Wisconsin State Fair, where many witnesses say large groups of black men attacked white fair patrons, will not be prosecuted as “hate crimes.” It was just a coincidence that the attackers were all black thugs and those being beaten were white.
We’re now living in a society we created. While there’s always been bad people doing evil things it was a rarity, because the majority were taught by their parents, churches and schools the difference between good and evil, and the golden rule of treating others as you would have them treat you.
Today we’re hearing about another senseless killing almost every day. When did life become worthless? Are these kids who weren’t aborted now dealing with “survivor’s guilt,” as the “expert” I just heard say, or are they simply the product of a society that says it’s ok to kill a child in or out of the womb as long as it’s wanted by it’s mother?
Two kids killed a toddler in a stroller because his mom wouldn’t turn over her wallet that held the money she needed to feed her child. A jogger from Australia is gunned down, “for fun” and one of the kids who killed him sang and danced his way into the police department celebrating what he’d done. And to top it all of we have nuts in Syria killing a thousand of men, women and children with a nerve-gas or other chemical weason. Why?!! Why did those two year olds have to die such a horrible needless death. Why are those poor people being exterminated?
What are we going to do to stop this? What will Obama do to stop this? While he constantly complains about his, “do nothing Congress” we should all be yelling about our do nothing President and reclaim our nation as it was established by our Founders. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson need to be held accountable for their promotion of hate crimes for their financial benefits.
Obama drew a red line in the sand last year, will he act or will he wait for the UN? As citizens where is our red line when it comes to the value of life?
Matthew 25:40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Nobody wants violence, Mr. Prez – unless they belong to the Muslim Butcherhood. Strange that it’s taken you nearly 5 years to address “violence” when some of the most heinous crimes have occurred in your hometown of Chicago.
And this is the same weak-kneed, fact-ignoring response we’ve come to expect from one who is a total failure as a leader.
Whatever connection Obama had (if ever) with our Lord was broken long ago. What drives him is from the other direction. He was raised by communists and communists are godless. He attended a “church” that preached hate and discontent. He hates white people and the only use he has for minorities is to stand on them. This man/child is evil and needs to be defeated. His ideas and his comrades need to be defeated. They need to be destroyed.
This President as well as any other anti gun fanatic’s have to understand it is the FOOL not the TOOL that causes these crimes. They shoot a human because their bored? and why were they bored, they should have been working, either at a job or in studies. Bored my Aunt Sadie. And why are we not talking about the crappy job of parenting here as well. Thats were a majority of juvenile crime starts, not because their poor, but because their raised without a understanding of social morals. I believe a leading cause of Boredom is because of welfare and Government assistance, Government handouts have now created at least 3 generations of idle, good for nothing,palms up losers looking for handout. These are the Government breed people that bitch we owe them more and when they don’t get the wherewithal to entertain themselves they kill people, Come On Obama, your the FOOL if you just blame the TOOL.
Here’s another one.
89-Year-Old WWII Veteran Beaten to Death by Two Teens in Parking Lot; Suspect Photos Released:
“An 89-year-old World War II veteran was savagely beaten by two teenagers in a parking lot in Spokane, Wash., on Wednesday evening, KXLY-TV reports. Delbert Belton died in the hospital Thursday morning from the injuries he sustained in the brutal attack.
Belton was in the parking lot of the Eagles Lodge at around 8 p.m. on Wednesday when two male suspects assaulted him for no apparent reason.
Police have released surveillance photos of persons of interest in the homicide investigation. “They are described as young African American males of average build,” KHQ reports. They are believed to be between 16 to 19 in age and were wearing black clothes, while one suspect was seen wearing a black “do-rag,” according to police.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/22/89-year-old-wwii-veteran-beaten-to-death-by-two-teens-in-parking-lot-suspect-photos-released/
Peggy, this was a great find. I had started a story on it when you sent this in and the result is up on the main page. Obama is a gutless. lousy president if he doesn’t bring attention to the culture of violence within the Black community, also the violent gangster rap and drugs, that all contributes to Blacks being over represented in prisons.
Jack: “Predictably, the president is blaming the weapon for the choices made by those who chose to wield it.”
Predictably, you’re making a strawman argument. Advocating stricter gun control laws is not “blaming the weapon.”
“The facts of the case do not support any gun control measure short of full confiscation of all firearms in the United States. All three of the accused are underage, so firearm ownership is illegal for them in most circumstances. They cannot legally purchase a firearm without assistance from someone over the age of 18.”
And what does this matter when any of them could have gotten online and bought a gun over the Internet without the seller ever being required to verify that they were of legal age and had no felonies or history of mental illness? Any kid with a little money and access to the Internet can buy a gun any time they want to. They can also do so at a gun show in states where background checks are not required. It’s still against the law for them to do so, but these loopholes make that law much harder to enforce.
I don’t know where these specific criminals obtained their weapon, but we do know that other kids, such as the Columbine shooters, have taken advantage of these loopholes and used them to kill. It is callous and crazy to say that we should keep these loopholes open in order to protect a bizarre and ahistorical interpretation of the second amendment that says anyone should be able to buy a gun at any time without a background check.
For you to say that there is nothing we can do other than “full confiscation of all firearms” is scaremongering meant to appeal to the criminally stupid. Clearly, there are things we can do, like closing the gun show and Internet loopholes. You don’t want to do that, because pretending as if that’s somehow a violation of the second amendment that will lead to full confiscation is helpful for you politically. Any concession on gun safety laws would be considered a loss for Republicans, even if it would save lives. But politics are more important.
“Current gun laws against possession of guns by minors, and against filing off serial numbers, did not stop the boys from doing either one, just as laws against gang activity did not stop the boys from self-identifying with the Crips gang. Laws against murder did not stop them from murdering.”
Why don’t you take this line of thought to its logical conclusion, Jack? By your logic, we should abolish laws against murder since they don’t do anything to stop people from murdering.
You are so comically bad at this.
Chris has it exactly backwards.
The left continues to think that by writing more gun laws violence and school shootings will end. They say so every time they use an incident to call for more laws, “We have to do something about all this gun violence!”
The only time they call for these laws is when violence has occurred…the opportunistic little p*#c*s.
I propose that they know more laws won’t change anything…the laws are not the problem. They just use the violence-of-the-day as an excuse to demean gun owners and the NRA and to fire up their nutty base. Nothing the left does is about solving problems. It is always political. Just as making the Martin case about race was political. Just as The Great Society was about creating a permanent needy Democrat voter base. Just as making up “white Hispanic” was about creating racial tensions to promote the lefts agenda for redistribution.
The problem isn’t guns or access to them.
The problem is a culture which glorifies violence and excuses criminality. This is, in essence, what administrators did with Martin at his school to keep their own record from looking bad. The problem is there are no grown ups in charge. From parents to school administrators to the dude in the WH…the population ages but in too many cases there isn’t an adult in charge.
The man in the WH is the biggest adolescent of all having risen to the top of the heep only to engage in gutter politics.
Tina: “The left continues to think that by writing more gun laws violence and school shootings will end.”
You and Jack never met a strawman argument you didn’t love. No one has argued that school shootings will “end.” We have said that we can reduce their likelihood by enacting safeguards to prevent guns from getting into the wrong hands. I guess that argument doesn’t fit into a soundbite as easily, so you can’t mentally process it.
“The only time they call for these laws is when violence has occurred…the opportunistic little p*#c*s.”
You’re right! It makes no sense to call for a solution to a problem when that problem is actually occurring. Trying to stop criminals from obtaining guns in order to commit violence, as a response to occurrences of criminals obtaining guns in order to commit violence? Monsters!
Liberals would do well to follow the noble example of conservatives and attempt to solve problems that aren’t actually occurring. Imaginary threats like widespread voter fraud, or the coming of Sharia Law, or high taxation on the rich. Only then can the left take the moral highground. Because that’s the true test of a party’s principals: do they have the courage to address our imaginary, trumped up fears based on classism and xenophobia? Or are they just a bunch of “opportunistic pricks” who are only concerned about solving a problem when that problem actually exists?
The rest of your comment is typical Tina; since you can’t write a coherent argument to save your life, you just flit from one right-wing bugaboo to the next, and your faithful readers will be too riled up to notice that you haven’t actually said anything that proves your point.
I have shown you EXACTLY how closing the gun show and Internet loopholes would make it harder for minors and criminals to obtain guns. I have shown you that criminals and young people are taking advantage of these loopholes and people are getting hurt as a result. You have never, not once, explained why we shouldn’t have background checks for these types of sales. You merely assert that these laws would do nothing to help the problem, with no evidence to back up your position. You don’t need evidence. Your word is all that matters.
The DA on the case says he has no evidence that the crime was race related. If that doesn’t make you sick, nothing will.
“The DA on the case says he has no evidence that the crime was race related. If that doesn’t make you sick, nothing will.”
Um…why? Do you have evidence they don’t? How is your certainty that these killers were motivated by race any more justified than the certainty of many liberals that George Zimmerman was motivated by race?
As for the “nothing will” part, I don’t know, I found your racist comments about how “we” (white people) need to be so afraid of “them”(black people) pretty sickening the other day.
Knock off the preaching about straw man arguments, Chris, the party you favor lives by the straw man: gun violence is a straw man, global warming/climate change is a straw man, Tea Party racism is a straw man, throwing old ladies off a cliff is a straw man, starving children is a straw man. We cannot discuss solutions to problems because of the straw men your party throws up every single time an issue surfaces.
Chris: “We have said that we can reduce their likelihood…”
If you honestly think that someone as twisted as the killers who murder kids at schools will be deterred by closing a loophole you are crazy. And if you can’t see that these incidents are always used for political purposes by your Democrat pals you are blind and/or terribly naive.
“Trying to stop criminals from obtaining guns in order to commit violence, as a response to occurrences of criminals obtaining guns in order to commit violence? Monsters!”
All of which explains why Chicago has become the Democrat poster city for “gun violence”…Democrats jumped right on that one!
In fact, Chicago rips a big fat hole in your argument! The entire issue is phony. It isn’t about gun laws its about Democrat power and defeating Republicans through dishonest politicking!
You have no grounds to defend a party that claims to care about minorities and yet ignores completely the “gun violence” going on in Chicago on a daily basis.
But you continue to embrace the distractions, the straw issues made big and real by your party’s blathering. Go ahead, Chris, stake that claim that those of us on Post Scripts who attempt to inform you of another way of looking at things are somehow lesser, somehow the crazed fools, somehow a bunch of morons that know nothing.
“imaginary…blah blah blah”
Would voter ID be good for all Americans? Yes. Voter ID would ensure that every persons vote is counted only once. Mickey Mouse would actually have to show up, in person, show ID, and have registered beforehand to vote! What a terrible burden…much harder than applying for and acquiring, say, a drivers license, social security card, food stamps, welfare…or Obumblecare insurance…most of which the left has created to “help” the little guy, the black person, the single mom! If these can be done then an ID can be done to “help” every voter!
Is the “argument” that Republicans want voter ID to suppress black votes a straw man argument? Yes…yes it is!
And what an argument! It angers blacks so they come out and vote for Democrats. It labels the Republican Party as racist. It is swallowed hook, line and sinker by fools like you who carry the water every single time!
After the IRS scandal, and countless incidents of voter manipulation and fraud, it is unfortunate that you continue to buy into this inane straw argument made by the Democrat Party.
The motive for Republicans is simply making every American’s vote count and count only once…it is simply wanting our elections to be above board and fair for all concerned.
Back to guns…
“I have shown you EXACTLY how closing the gun show and Internet loopholes would make it harder for minors and criminals to obtain guns.”
And like an idiot you think we are too dumb to know it would “make it harder”. The point is, so what? It would not make the little criminals less determined to commit the crime…to see the violence play out in front of them!
It cannot be demonstrated that closing loop holes would stop criminals from getting guns or committing murderous crimes. It cannot even be demonstrated that it would save a single life.
It can be demonstrated that laws are broken every single day by those who are hell bent on killing!
Guns are banned in other countries and murders are still committed using knives, clubs, bombs…and guns. Certain cities in America have very strict gun laws and they are among the worst for murder in the nation. Solve the problem Chris…get it?
Unfortunately, you are incapable of seeing this issue in any context other than the one that your party feeds you and uses (straw man) to grab political power and control.
It also does not help your case that your party takes every chance to paint gun owners as crazy, out of control, half-wits. I doesn’t help your case that a couple of Democrats have actually said they want guns taken away from the American people. According to FactCheck.org, citing a Hillary Clinton mailer, Obama answered in the affirmative to a question about banning guns:
Then there’s Eric Holder who once advocated brainwashing as a means to changing “hearts and minds” about guns.
They just refuse to blame the person who commits the crime! That wouldn’t buy votes.
The most telling thing about your comments, Chris, in fact almost all of your comments lately, is that you completely ignore the most important points I make. In this case writing more gun laws will not solve the problem because it would not address the root causes of the violence and murders.
The school and theater shootings made the left irrational, hitting out at guns, the inanimate object in the crime, and ignoring the perpetrator and a society that influenced, or failed to properly influence, him.
Democrats make fun of religious principles, things like the ten commandments, they laugh when the right brings up the importance of family values. These are things that might actually move America in a direction that would see less violence in young people and a system that would hold people accountable before they grow into monsters and killing machines.
You aren’t interested in discussing the issues. You are interested in playing the very games you accuse others of playing…and defending the party that invented the straw man argument.
Chris got the Bloviator of the Week award awhile ago. Looks like he’s aiming to become a permanent recipient.
once more ol’ Chris boy throws his jaw’n into it faster than a jackrabbit on moonshine, Son take a gander at this har stuff ……….! Oh thar aint nothin’ there, much like yer reckonin’, and that is bout’ as useful as buttons on a dishrag.
Tina: “The most telling thing about your comments, Chris, in fact almost all of your comments lately, is that you completely ignore the most important points I make.”
When pretty much every specific point you make in order to support your “important points” is factually incorrect, what do you expect? For instance, in a recent article in which you promoted the skeptic position regarding global warming, you cited an article which totally misrepresented a scientific study. When I asked you to address that fact, you explicitly refused, and instead began link-dumping a bunch of other articles that you expected me to read. Your “important points” don’t stand up to scrutiny when the facts are examined, but you just keep asserting the same points.
Another example: in your last comment, you bring up the “IRS scandal” to support your argument that I shouldn’t trust the Democrats. But you’re a couple months late on this: the “IRS scandal” has been revealed to be nothing. Progressive groups were subject to scrutiny as well as Tea Party groups. Darrel Issa intentionally withheld this evidence. This is yet another manufactured scandal by the right. This time, the so-called “left-wing media” fell for it. Maybe they’ll know better next time than to believe anything your party says.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-07-22/opinions/40718563_1_irs-scandal-organizations-facts
I don’t have time to go through all of your arguments right now. But I’m beginning to wonder whether it’s even worth my time. The things you say are constantly untrue, and you never correct them.
“There’s more. The committee has now conducted 15 interviews with IRS employees. Six of these people said they were Republican or had voted Republican, six claimed no political affiliation, and three said they were Democrats. All have shot down the idea that there was any political bias at the IRS, and all have said they had no knowledge or evidence of any White House involvement. One of the Republicans, asked about those angles, said: “No, not at all. That’s kind of laughable that people think that. No, not at all. This is purely cases that, unfortunately, Cincinnati didn’t have enough guidance on. That (c)(4) area is a very, very difficult area, and there’s not much guidance. And so the lingering length of time, unfortunately, was just trying to apply the law to the specific facts of each case.””
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/17/the-nature-of-the-beast-the-breathless-press-and-the-phony-irs-scandal.html
Tina, the problem I see is that I’m debating with you, but you’re not debating with me: you’re debating with the entire Democratic party. Of course Democrats have made strawman arguments. But when I’m taking issue with a specific argument you have made, it’s unfair of you to try and distract from that by pointing out bad arguments other Democrats who are not me have made. You’re basically saying that your individual arguments don’t matter, because Democrats are so much worse. That’s not a debate.
Your assertion that nothing could ever prevent a person from committing a massacre is simply untrue, as we saw just last week when a potential school shooter was talked down by a brave school clerk. Obviously shooters can be deterred, or at least have their plans messed up; if the original straw buyer for the Columbine kids had to go through a background check, maybe she would have bailed; maybe they would have had to find another buyer, which would have meant more people involved and more time passing; maybe that would have increased the likelihood of them getting caught before a single life was taken. I can’t prove that that would have happened. But you’ve given me no good reason why the risk was ever worth it in the first place.
And background checks aren’t just meant to stop massacres, they are meant to stop common criminals, gang members, drug runners…these aren’t all bloodthirsty murderers who will stop at nothing to kill.
Even ordinary kids who have no intention of harming anyone have bought guns illegally through the Internet or gun shows and have ended up accidentally shooting someone. In these cases the sellers cannot be held liable, even if they suspect they are selling to a minor. Who does that protect? How does it violate anyone’s rights to require the same background checks that are already required in stores?
And why should a person have to show ID to vote, but not to buy a gun? If voter fraud were widespread I would understand, but it just isn’t. It makes no sense for Republicans to fight so hard against a problem that isn’t even happening, while dismissing the efforts of Democrats (and some Republicans willing to reach across the aisle) to do something about a very real problem. We are in much more danger from gun violence then voter fraud.
Chris your excuses don’t add up. You still have not chosen to address the meat in my comments.
You find one thing you believe gives you the opportunity to throw bombs and go with it ignoring the factual information that does support my position or badly wounds Obama or harms the myths (MM global warming) and lies (Republicans are racist – Obama is a great President, pick a topic – the lame-stream media just reports – Democrats care about people;republicans don’t) to which you continue to desperately cling!
“the “IRS scandal” has been revealed to be nothing.”
I see. Democrats go find a few witnesses and that’s the end of it?
Its clear you are a babe in the woods when it comes to the devious methods of Democrats generally and this administration in particular times ten!
You also have not had, or know anyone that has had, a life changing experience dealing with the IRS.
Excuses don’t make a case. A few witnesses that didn’t see anything going on doesn’t change the testimony of this IRS agent:
The Weekly Standard also reports damning information from NPR:
Testimony given to Democrats in the Senate House Ways and Means Committee hearings by Russel George (A person who appears to be open and honest to me) shows disproportionate auditing of conservative groups:
The Weekly Standard also points out the obvious: “Prominent IRS officials have taken the Fifth, and the IRS has released to Congress just 13,000 of 65 million pages of documents that the IRS says it has related to the scandal. If there were documents or facts exonerating the IRS, it seems like they’d be more forthcoming.”
After meeting in secret with the White House is it any wonder that leftist journo-cheerleaders are out in force claiming the IRS scandal is falling apart.
The Weekly Standard:
…and concludes:
Part Two Weekly Standard here:
IRS agents have no business asking people the content of their prayers…this alone suggests something untoward was going on at the IRS. As a citizen you should be at least curious. As always you have shown yourself to be bitterly partisan and absolutely unwilling to admit to important revelations choosing instead to relent on meaningless points to appear open.
This administration operates like the mafia. The big guy never has his hands directly on the trigger. Underlings always take the fall. Evidence to convict the big guy is nearly impossible to find even when the stench of his authority fills the air. Whether Obama directly organized the IRS to obstruct applications or an underling did as his operator, his hand as the ultimate organizer and authority has colored every aspect of his four and a half years in office.
Chris before going on let me reiterate my purpose on Post Scripts. I’m here to have a discussion about current events and politics. I hope anyone who participates here will learn from the experience and welcome all comers. I openly declare myself as a registered Republican with both strong libertarian and strong conservative opinions. But above all I am an American interested in seeing the founding principles of this nation restored and the moral and ethical grounding that was once much more prevalent in our society returned in the citizens of our nation. This is the thing that motivates me. If you want to debate with others perhaps you would do better to find a blog that prefers the debate model.
Chris: “Your assertion that nothing could ever prevent a person from committing a massacre is simply untrue, as we saw just last week when a potential school shooter was talked down by a brave school clerk.”
Now who is changing the argument. I wrote that closing loop holes in the law would not prevent a determined killer: “If you honestly think that someone as twisted as the killers who murder kids at schools will be deterred by closing a loophole you are crazy.”
You have injected human intervention in the moment which has nothing to do with your loop hole argument or my determined killer response to it. But I’ll play. We have no idea if this potential shooter was a determined killer. I submit that if he was actually a determined killer the school clerk would be dead or seriously wounded and we would have another incident to talk about.
This is the point you lefties refuse to see!
Its the shooter stupid. Friendly persuasion will not work on a determined killer. Laws will not stop a determined killer. No amount of progressive intervention will stop a determined killer. The American people seem to understand this. Last April a bill to close loopholes sponsored by a Democrat and Republican failed in the Senate 54-46 with the following Democrats voting no: Max Baucus, Mark Begich, Heidi Heitkamp and Mark Pryor voted with Republicans — as did Harry Reid, in a procedural vote.
Its time for the people to get serious about the real problems in our culture and society that are causing not only school shootings but a lot of other criminal activity going on in our country.
“If voter fraud were widespread I would understand, but it just isn’t. It makes no sense for Republicans to fight so hard against a problem that isn’t even happening.”
This may come as a surprise to you Chris. it may even shock. The people of this nation have a right to expect clean elections. People in precincts across this nation have found incidents of voter fraud and cheating and they want to do what they can to clean it up. This is honorable behavior in our citizens and its happening mostly at the local level. The arguments Democrats use against them are strictly intimidation bombs: Republicans want to suppress the black vote. That’s outrageous! It is total BS. It is meant to act in the public like a bomb going off. It is dirty politics and as a citizen it make me very suspicious. What do Democrats really worry about? Are they responsible for the voter fraud going on in some precincts? Do they cheat to win in certain parts of the country? We have shown you evidence that this is true on a local level and you dismiss it as trivial. Well it isn’t trivial to the people in those areas where problems have existed and they do not deserve to be treated with so little respect.
“We are in much more danger from gun violence then voter fraud.”
Taken as a symbol of much the deeper and more sinister problems that have been growing in our government and society for fifty to seventy years you are wrong. Maybe one day you will open yourself a bit and become a seeker of truth. You would be wise to do so, it’s your future we are discussing here at Post Scripts.
I would like to add this about gun registration, and the ‘what harm could it do to legal gun owners in America;
In California, stripping citizens of their guns has officially begun. Even though it was explained that the swat teams were seizing guns from “dangerous criminals,” that label has already been attached to, but not limited too Christians, patriots and constitutional-ists, medical records databases, (Obamacare beginning to show another Government misuse tool)and DUI’s, even unpaid parking tickets.
Like most political agendas all of this was kept quiet until the voting was over. as a side note on this, already California’s Attorney General Harris has recommended to vice president Joe Biden that California’s disarmament program be adopted as a national model.
So how could gun registration be used as a tool to remove guns from legal owners, In California this is how they do it!
Camilla Harris is a San Francisco liberal who should never be in her current position. She’s generally misinformed, liberal-biased and lacks the education and experience to hold this office.
Excellent point Harold and I’m certain it will be used as the national model.
Well Chris, I’m content to let history determine who’s bad at this. Now as to your absurd comment, “Why don’t you take this line of thought to its logical conclusion, Jack? By your logic, we should abolish laws against murder since they don’t do anything to stop people from murdering.” You of course missed the point. You don’t pass a misdemeanor to prevent a felony. And you should not expect a misdemeanor to prevent a felony…but liberals do and do. That’s not bad, it’s stupid.
Jack isn’t it also true that laws exist for two basic reasons: 1. To inform the public of the legal boundaries, and 2. To prosecute those who cross the boundaries?
Laws are not written to prevent criminality. Laws are inanimate. Only human beings have the ability to prevent (themselves) from committing crimes. Social mores play a part in influencing choices in some people but a determined criminal will do the deed.
Contrary to individuals who deny voter fraud exist proof that it does and connected to the consequences that have resulted in the passage of ObamaCare to the detriment of our country.
The internet is full of voter fraud cases from all over. The most recent is from Florida where 173 individuals voted in more than one state. And we all know that Al Franken won that coveted 60th senate seat by 312 votes when 1,099 felons cast an illegal ballot.
As of Aug. 2012, 177 have been convicted, with 66 more awaiting trial.
I agree with you Tina, I want to know my vote and everyone else’s was counted correctly. And if people can find the time and the dime to sign up for ObamaCare, food stamps, and “free” ObamaPhones they can find the time to get a free I.D. to insure our laws are enforced and there is only one vote for every eligible voter.
Election watchdog hands FL 173 cases of alleged voter fraud:
TALLAHASSEE — A Texas-based watchdog known as True the Vote is staying one step ahead of Florida’s elections officials.
The organization has identified 173 cases of alleged interstate voter fraud, or double voting, in Florida and Maryland, the group announced Monday.
Each case represents a single person voting in both states during the same federal election cycle, dating to 2006.
“The 173 cases does not mean 173 illegal votes,” said Logan Churchwell, communications director for True the Vote, a nonpartisan voters’ rights and election integrity group. “It means at least double that.”
The group used updated 2012 voting data to cross-reference Florida and Maryland registration lists. Maryland is the latest state under review in what Churchwell described as the “snow bird” project.
Using names, dates of birth, residential addresses and federal voting information, True the Vote has already identified potential double voting abuses in Florida by way of Ohio (534 cases), New York (32) and Rhode Island (2), as of October last year.
True the Vote submits its findings to the U.S. Department of Justice and state elections officials for further investigation.
http://watchdog.org/101150/election-watchdog-hands-florida-officials-173-alleged-cases-of-voter-fraud/
“Federal and state laws were potentially violated as a result of these activities. Federal law, specifically 42 U.S.C. § 1973i(e) clearly states that voters cannot cast more than one ballot in the same election.
True the Vote’s research follows a series of similar findings in Florida, Ohio, New York and Rhode Island, triggering criminal investigations between the states in late 2012. TTV coordinated its research with Rockville-based Election Integrity Maryland.
Copies of the research referral letters to the U.S. Department of Justice, Florida Secretary of State and the Maryland State Board of Elections have been made available to the public.
http://www.truethevote.org/news/true-the-vote-releases-173-cases-of-alleged-interstate-voter-fraud-in-florida-maryland
Now to the issue of IRS also targeting progressive groups. Yes, six progressive/liberal groups were subjected to additional screening and all have been approved, but 292 conservative groups underwent the additional screening and none were approved. Not reflective of equal treatment under our laws.
IG: IRS Targeted 292 Conservative, 6 Liberal Groups:
Russell George, the Treasury Department official who detailed the IRS targeting of conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status, says liberal groups faced far less scrutiny from the agency.
George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, told Democratic Rep. Sandy Levin of Michigan in a letter that just six progressive groups were targeted compared to 292 conservative groups, reports the Washington Examiner.
In Wednesday’s letter to Levin, the top Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee, George also said that 100 percent of conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status were scrutinized, compared to 30 percent of progressive groups.
Levin and other Democrats claimed this week that progressive groups were targeted just as much as conservatives, and pointed to new information showing that the terms “progress” and “progressive” were also on the so-called “Be on the Lookout,” or BOLO lists.
“Based on the information you flagged . . . TIGTA performed additional research which determined that six tax-exempt applications filed between May 2010 and May 2012 having the words ‘progress’ or ‘progressive’ in their names were included in the 298 cases the IRS identified as potential political cases,” wrote George.
“We also determined that 14 tax-exempt applications filed between May 2010 and May 2012 using the words ‘progress’ or ‘progressive’ in their names were not referred for added scrutiny as potential political cases.”
Democrats have charged that George’s initial audit allowed Republicans to over-politicize the IRS handling of applications for special tax status.
“In total, 30 percent of the organizations we identified with the words ‘progress’ or ‘progressive’ in their names were processed as potential political cases,” George wrote, adding, “In comparison, our audit found that 100 percent of the tax-exempt applications with Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names were processed as potential political cases during the timeframe of our audit.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/irs-targeting-conservative-groups/2013/06/27/id/512269#ixzz2d7KtgiYD