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You know, southern Oregon is a hot-bed of liberalism; full of college students and artistes. You want to reconsider your northern boundary.
If they believe in less government, more freedom, if they don’t want intrusion into their lives, if they want to chart their own futures and hold government responsible and accountable…then I say let em in! Jefferson could be the perfect invironment for developing their talents and letting their creativity flourish.
This is not about liberal vs conservative. It is about the right of a population to get fair representation. We suffer because California is too large.
Well actually Princess is about both, but to a greater extent it is about liberal v conservative. The libs have the votes because of the changing demographics in the LA area. Therefore we have no representation in the North State.
The government funds their institutions of higher learning … also arts grants … I do think you need to do more research. In fact, the government of Oregon is working up a scheme whereby you can go to college for no cash, up front, but agree to pay an additional tax for the rest of your working life, which funds the education of your future fellow citizens. Of course, the wretched, greedy citizens will fox the scheme by leaving the state and it will have to be abandoned … but … it’s making good headway in the state leg.
What you gonna offer?
Well said Jack!
Artists are among the first to starve in a progressive economy. When government takes too much money and/or blunts production through excessive regulation people have less disposable cash to spend. Fast food buying goes up because its a cheap substitute for dining out…maybe an occasional movie…but arts and crafts? Not so much.
Oregon’s southern counties will need to go through the same process with their state legislatures as California’s northern counties will. Mark Baird, one of the organizers, for the forming of Jefferson made that very clear in the video of his presentation at Redding.
Oregon’s educational saving program for college is not paid for by taxes for the rest of your life. It’s an individual pre-paid saving account that can be used at any public and private university in the nation.
It’s a great plan every state should have.
Here is more information on it.
http://www.get.wa.gov/overview.shtml
Imagine Peggy…a free market solution where people actually get to keep their own money, tax free for college. We should do the same with healthcare and social security!
I heard about a college being formed with its initial base in San Francisco today. the cost is quite a bit less than traditional big colleges (I think she said $10K and a lot of the work is done online. The focus is international studies so the students will be encouraged to travel each semester to another country…they hope to have at least five campuses soon. A lot of the work will be done online.
People find their own alternatives when the cost for something becomes too dear. Can’t remember the name…darn.
Peggy, Washington is not Oregon.
Overall, I would advise you to read more closely. If you did, you would have noticed how newsmax mixed general population stats with illegal immigrant stats re all the sex offender scariness … with the explicit intent to fool you.
“Imagine Peggy…a free market solution where people actually get to keep their own money, tax free for college.”
If they have money to keep, of course. Our way, if you have the ability, you have the means. Our way is better.
Who made the map? The way its drawn we have twice the fight on our hands. Why would you right off the bat shoot us in the foot by fighting to bring a bunch of liberals along?Or is that red map an exploded view that happens to cover part of Oregon? I really hope that is the case.
Toby…it’s the latter. The map is really not to scale. I made it up to show Northern Ca counties of interest to the movement and the Oregon counties that the folks in Syskiyou have identified as wishing to join.
Libby: “Peggy, Washington is not Oregon.”
Humm, wonder how that happened. I did an Oregon search. Guess Washington has a similar plan. Here’s Oregon’s.
https://www.oregoncollegesavings.com/open/index.shtml
Libby: “If they have money to keep, of course. Our way, if you have the ability, you have the means. Our way is better.”
Your way isn’t better Libby it’s just more of others paying for what you want.
Learning to save should be taught to every child, even if it’s just a quarter a week. Putting aside what one could was how our parents and grandparents survived the Great Depression, saved for homes in the 1950s and paid out of pocket during the 1960s for medical care.
When did saving one owns money get replaced with a hand out for someone else’s? Rhetorical question, since we all know it began with the progressive movement in the 1970s.
Your way isn’t better, because someday you will run out of other peoples money and everyone will end up with nothing but empty pockets.
Peggy there is a second reason; a reason even Libby can appreciate. When “others” cover the cost of higher education the big education machine is answerable to no one and the cost for education skyrockets. When the administrators must face students and their parents as ts they work to keep college affordable. The way it’s set up now we have no idea what an education should cost because the price is inflated to cover the too big bureaucracy, fat pensions, healthcare, and perks, and a myriad of feel good classes that are PC meaningless in terms of preparing students for adulthood and an actual career/work. High dollar, high maintenance romper room for the eighteen and over wanting all the fun and none of the responsibility.
Tina, totally agree. Parents who send their young children to private schools make sure their homework is done because they’re writing the check. It’s the same when you buy your own clothes, cars and furniture. You take better care of it when it’s paid with your earnings instead of someone else’s.
It’s also why teachers and administrators in charter schools are paid less than those in the public schools within the same district. Parents are willing to pay for the better education and the staff is willing to provide it. Huge salaries aren’t going to the administration or to building fancy administration facilities with top of the line furnishings, it’s going directly to the kids support and supplies.
My brother, who has his master’s degree took years of working and going to school at the same time. He didn’t take out loans to pay off for the rest of his life. He took the courses he could afford to pay for. Of course he’s in his late 60s now, but he’s teaching business and supervision/management courses now at a couple of community colleges. Of course he’s from the generation before credit cards and spending oneself into debt is the “normal” way to live.
The online classes will be the new way to get an education while keeping the cost down. It was just coming into the curriculum when I retired. It was meeting opposition from the faculty who could see the coming attendance drop in their own classes. It was really gaining headway in remote areas of the country, primarily in the central and Midwest, where transportation was a major concern for the very rural and Indian tribe areas.
The science area was one of the hardest online curriculum to develop, when I was still there. Chemistry and anatomy online programs were of major concern. Wonder if they ever worked it out.
Peggy I don’t think they have got the labs figured out and maybe there won’t be another way other than to attend a local class but demand will seek an answer and it may be an expansion of the charter school in local communities through the college level for some students and for others charter schools that move into specific trade and specialty schools.
One way or another we cannot keep doing what we’ve been doing. The college loan situation, whether is a bubble or some other financial monster, is looking pretty ominous.
The federal government lends more than $100 billion a year to students. There are more than $150 billion worth of outstanding private student loans.
Chadwick Matlin in Reuters called it an “anvil weighing on a large but discrete group of very unfortunate borrowers.”
Other opinions:
The shameful mismanagement of the recovery from the last recession will add continue to add to the misery for these poor young people because they cannot find the kinds of jobs they need to make payments.
How sad that this is one of the demographics that got Obama elected…twice. (60% in 2012 & 66% in 2008). They have been deceived in a most heinous manner.
Also, the student loan forgiveness clause that was included in ObamaCare will be the next housing-like bubble buster. Not only did the government take on the majority of student loans from private banks ObamaCare included within it’s massive pages the student loan forgiveness component which will leave the taxpayers picking up the tab again for the forgiven loans. The banks can’t afford to forgive those loans. Loaning out money is how they keep their doors open. The student loan forgiveness clause once again is just another flush of the toilet for the younger generation’s future.
You’re right it is sad….very sad, because the ones who will be picking up the tab are the ones who now support what he’s doing. Us older ones will be long gone.
And the Calif. bankruptcy meter keeps adding up.
8 Papa John’s Pizzerias Abruptly Close Without Explanation, Employees May Be Without Pay for Final 2 Weeks:
“Eight California Papa John’s restaurants in the Sacramento area suddenly closed on Friday, to the surprise of both customers and employees.
“We are sorry to advise you that due to circumstances beyond our control we have been forced to cease operations effective immediately,” read a sign posted on the door of the popular pizzerias Friday, later uploaded to the online-messaging board Reddit.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/21/8-papa-johns-abruptly-close-without-explanation-employees-may-be-without-pay-for-final-2-weeks/