Posted by Tina
One of the biggest scandals of all time is not being reported by the same media that gave itself kudos for bringing down a President just a few decades ago over something a lot less destructive to our nation. Watergate was nothing compared to the IRS making itself a politically supportive agency for the sitting president.
The Christian Science Monitor highlights examples:
“Washington Post columnists accused Tea Party groups of ‘smolder[ing] with anger’ [Colbert King] and practicing a brand of patriotism reminiscent of the Ku Klux Klan [Courtland Milloy],” the memo states. “Another Post columnist opined in late March 2010 that Tea Party rhetoric ‘is calibrated not to inform but to incite’ [Eugene Robinson]. In April 2010, Reuters tied the Tea Party movement to ‘America’s season of rage and fear.'”
The idea that the IRS did the President’s political bidding by proxy has been widely ridiculed by the left, but the idea lives on among conservative critics, who have long chided what they see as Obama’s bully presidency, where friends are rewarded and enemies punished.
“Mr. Obama didn’t need to pick up the phone. All he needed to do was exactly what he did do, in full view, for three years: Publicly suggest that conservative political groups were engaged in nefarious deeds; publicly call out by name political opponents whom he’d like to see harassed; and publicly have his party pressure the IRS to take action,” Ms. Noonan said on “Meet the Press” back in May, as the scandal was breaking.
Americans who believe in freedom would do well to withdraw support from leftist media as well as controlling communitarian politicians who operate by the Marxist credo…the end justifies the means.
The actual Federal law states non profits are tax free if they are “exclusively for social welfare”
The IRS attacked tea party, republicans, democrats, and churches involved in politics. It was not just Tea party. The facts are out there. That is their job. I am not a fan of the IRS attack on citizens now. That is a better subject.
However the fact foreign money is injected into our elections & hidden in non profits is a problem for us and National Security.
Politics is not a non profit business! Lobbyists donate to a politician who regardless of party sneaks in laws for them.
Citizens United has injected massive money into elections!
To be honest it is not about the tax exempt status to them it is about the fact non profits do not have to disclose who, what, or what country that money came from. Again National Security.
I personally say I want to know who and what in 1959 changed IRS guidelines to disregard the actual federal law passed by congress almost 100 years ago.
Churches, or any non profit tax free org should not be involved in politics.
There is enough money being injected and the public should be able to see any money donated to any politician from any party.
I would like to see how much Chinese money was in our election personally. That is why the fed law excludes politics as non profit.
There is no political party at present who works for the people. All about who gave them the money.
It’s now the Press’ fault??? Horsefeathers!!
The stench of the IRS scandal, the NSA snooping & Benghazigate continue to waft from the white house.
dewey: “The IRS attacked tea party, republicans, democrats, and churches involved in politics. It was not just Tea party.”
This is a gross misrepresentation of the facts but it doesn’t surprise me since the media covers for Obama and liberals/Democrats.
The big bad lady at the IRS, Lois Lerner, has decided to retire early since she is being investigated in the matter and been caught red handed!
And the excuse that Tea party organizations were engaging in politics in a way the democrat leaning 501c3 and 501c4 organizations were not is absurd…ever hear of ACORN…what about black churches that have involved themselves in getting Obama elected? There are many other leftist groups that claim tax exempt status…how about all the green groups?
J the media are enablers of the President AND his agenda.
Yep, the media is just another form of enabler or co-dependent.
Tina, for once the media followed the conservative framing of this story to the letter. The IRS “scandal” was all the rage for a few months, don’t you remember? Since it has come out that progressive and “Occupy” groups were subject to the same treatment, where has the media coverage been? Silence. You have no grounds to complain about the “leftist media” in this case. They picked up the story from conservative media, ran with it, and it turned out to be a non-story.
Most of the groups “targeted” by the IRS should not have received tax-exempt status in the first place. It is ridiculous that clearly political organizations like Media Matters (left-wing) and the Media Research Council (right-wing) are considered tax exempt entities.
Chris you are so easily duped.
The left dug up a couple of examples of liberal organizations flagged (What? They blew it and had a bad word in their names?) but the numbers were so small and the level of harassment so disparate it doesn’t compare.
It was enough to provide the media cover, however. Just enough…and enough to satisfy people like you who don’t find it alarming that a department of government charged with collecting taxes but with extraordinary powers to harass, restrict, and fine citizens did so with a political motive and intent.
That should be very troubling to you, Chris, and it should be equally troubling that the media has failed to inform you of the facts and instead acts as an enabler and cover agent for the President and left politics.
Thank God conservative media is doing the job that the antique, mostly progressive, activist media will not do!
Ed Morrissey at the Hot Air blog reported the following:
Guy Benson at TownHall highlights the vast differences in targeted liberal and conservative groups:
Patrick Howely of the Daily Caller:
If ANY of this information has been absent in reporting from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, or NYT and other news outlets then the media has NOT been doing its job.
Those of us that have watched politics for more than two minutes are well aware of media anal exams that conservatives receive at the slightest hint of scandal…the media is relentless and they go on for months even if the outlet must make things up to continue the politically motivated destructo marathon!
Media Research Council wouldn’t exist except for the fact that the media is not doing its job. I can’t say the same for Media Matters which seems to be a me too organization created for purposes of progressive “fairness”. (Blotting out the opposition by muddying the waters.)
Chris you have a lot to learn about the tactics of the folks you hang with.
Tina
With all respects I stand by my statements. I do not watch much media as it is all corrupt. I dug up the actual public documents. I also belong to no I repeat no political party any more.
Furthermore there were some democrat non profits denied, I believe all tea party were approved. Frankly they all need to be denied.
None the less all political parties receiving tax exempt status are breaking the actual federal law. The IRS needs to be disciplined for not following the actual federal law.
Federal law passed almost 100 years ago by Congress says the non profit exemption must be “exclusively for social welfare” Fact!
I personally am happy to meet and show you the law but it is also available (but hard to find) in the corrupt search engines. I went to the library and searched for the actual federal law. Please take the time to read the Fed law to which the IRS guidelines (first changed in 1959) ignore.
Personally I believe it is time to rid ourselves of all current parties as they all do business the same way.
Our elected officials are pillaging public assets and the end goal is to have corporate rule on a global basis. Canada is falling as fast as we are. The TPP may just take away our sovereignty.
Non profits do not have to disclose their donors and that is the sole reason all 3 parties use them. They hide who gave them the money and that opens the door to foreign money. It is no secret Sheldon Addelson bribed Chinese gov for his casino, is under investigation for said accusations, and Chinese money was infiltrating our elections from at least one source.
The United states of America is loosing our civil rights. When over 4 million regular citizens are hired to watch us for the NSA, invade our privacy, and keep the information all through a private corporation “We the people” are at risk.
It is a National Security issue above all else.
The hate game will loose us Democracy. I love all Americans, believe that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but facts are facts and those should always be the basis of discussion.
The undeniable fact here is Politics are not a non profit business nor should they be. Hiding foreign money is a National security issue.
If one disagrees than that debate should happen in Congress and the law be changed.
Dewey I appreciate your desire to express opinions but I don’t think you are the one person in the worl in possession of the facts.
At least one of your statements about the Tea Party applicants is inaccurate as my earlier comment shows. It is also NOT TRUE that all conservative applicants were approved and certainly not in a timely fashion for those who were eventually approved.At least one applicant was targeted by not one but three agencies.
Your lack of concern that the IRS was acting as an activist agent for one of the political parties is indeed troubling. That “they’re all the same” mantra and tone, once again, makes you highly suspect as being who you say you are.
As you know anyone can post comments here and if they choose, misrepresent themselves. Most of those who participate here will at least declare some party affiliation or political bent…you demure, preferring to trash everything and everyone.
So, as an exercise in getting to know you better, may I ask a question?
If you could have what you want for America what would it look like? What exactly is it that you want?
If a tea Party org was denied please let me know which one so I can correct. However the point is not a single political org is eligible for Tax exempt status.
Tina I never suggested Political parties have never used the IRS to attack they all have! FACT
The Federal law states “exclusively for social welfare”
Point? Politics is not a tax free business
Attacking me because I will out any and every corrupt politician and have no party? I call that American. This is not a football game.
Democracy, compromise because when the 2 major sides debate the answer lies within.
The answers are in a discussion by the people.
My wish? repeal citizens united and put a cap on campaigns. Any number who cares. Then and only then can Americans have a conversation.
politicians (both parties)and their friends are raping public assets now they have most our companies raped.
I separate my opinions from facts.
Bottom line politics is not tax exempt. All political parties have used the IRS. This is not a viable case. breaking the law is breaking the law!
I do not condone all past uses of the IRS by both parties, just this time it is the job of the IRS to shut all rep and Dem non profit political orgs down as non profits.
“not a single political org is eligible for Tax exempt status”
By law that is incorrect:
Excuse me dewey but I have not “attacked” you because you “out any and every corrupt politician and have no party”…in fact I have not attacked you at all. If anything I have attempted to better understand your position.
I have also attempted to clarify differences that I believe are crucial in the parties that are in power and that do have power over our lives because they do hold office. The “all of them are crooks” position may feel good but it doesn’t give anyone a practical choice to move the powerful.
Politicians are people, no different from you or I. A lot of them, like a lot of Americans, have forgotten what the purpose of government is and they have a distorted idea of what is expected of them. Some are corrupted;some are grossly corrupted. These problems are exacerbated by influence of the interest groups that constantly press politicians. Corporations are not the only lobbyist that do this…one of the most insidious in the last few decades has been radical environmental groups. But the politician has the power and control. Only he can write and vote. It is up to the people to elect, press, and inform our representatives that a neutral limited federal government would be in the best interest of ALL of the people.
My reason for supporting the Republican Party is that it is the single party with sufficient power that proposes ideas to move our country away from big government solutions and reverse the big government trend we have experienced over the past seventy years. The Democrat Party has power but it has been taken over by radical elements that prefer the central planning model of corporatism, nationalism, socialism…the antithesis of freedom and our free republic model.
I’m glad to hear you don’t “condone” the IRS abuses. I find it suspect that you just can’t bring yourself to be outraged by this particular abuse of power. This is a viable case and it will be shoved under the rug, thus encouraging further abuse, unless the people stand up and show their outrage.
The IRS, FEC scandal represents an extreme abuse. “All of them do it” doesn’t reach the level of outrage that is necessary from the people to stop such abuses in any servant of the people regardless the party, or no party, they prefer personally.
I was unable to find the names of the organizations that still have not been approve/denied 501c4 status and I don’t have all day to look. The following should further enlighten those who are interested.
Washington Times:
See also a report by the US Treasury here:
This Washington Times Editorial exposes collusion and partisan activity between Lois Lerner of the IRS and the FEC (Federal Elections Commission):
The IRS was not doing its job dewey. It was acting as a political organ for Obama’s and Democrats re-election chances.
Tina,
With all respects I will finish reading response later today. I do ask a question.
can you post source of the included quotes. It appears that may be from the IRS Guidelines which is exactly my point.
1959 was the first year the IRS changed it’s guidelines against the FEDERAL LAW.
if this is from the IRS guidelines it is part of my point. I will try to locate the Actual Federal Law. just running low on time.
My point is the IRS does not follow the law. The federal law states “Exclusively for Social welfare”
I find conversation refreshing, respect all views, but also think federal law trumps rules orgs make up along the way.
i really would like to know who started changing the IRS guidelines in 1959. that would be amazing to find out.
I stand by my statements and welcome yours. Will respond later and provide the law and source.
Peace Dewey
Are you from the Tea party?
dewey how do you define “social welfare”? Are we talking only about charity or are we talking about any activity that is in the civic interests of the people?
One group that was targeted was engaged in eliminating outdated or erroneous voter registration…names of people that had died or moved out of state to help prevent vote fraud and review of he previous election to identify instances of vote fraud. That charitable activity would be in the interest of all citizens.
How do you resolve the fact that the Supreme Court has ruled money is speech?
My preference is that anyone or any group can give any amount of money but all of it should be publicly disclosed immediately down to the penny.
The flap over 501c4 status, as I see it, is that the leftist organizations that have abused this law for decades couldn’t stand competition from the right. When the right started similar organizations, and when the Supreme Courts ruling that corporations have the same rights as big unions and big environmental groups, the left began a campaign to destroy that equal opportunity.
A search reveals some references to the change in 1959. The most prominent are leftists sources like PBS, Daily Kos, MSNBC, NBC…none of which has been a friend to conservatives and all of which have participated in promoting and covering for the Democrats for decades.
I’m not familiar with this site but its purpose seems to be to change the narrative and focus away from egregious abuses of power against conservative groups by activist leftists at the IRS to a more generic topic…the 1959 change.
There is a pdf download available. A response letter to Senator Levin from the Treasury Department:
(smile)
Sounds like the Treasury is telling the good Senator that his veiled objection cannot be taken seriously when his own constituents have been taking advantage of the regulation change for fifty years!
Eisenhower was President in 1959 and Democrats controlled Congress.
According to PBS “regulators” changed the meaning and cited http://www.taxalmanac.org/index.php/Treasury_Regulations,_Subchapter_A,_Sec._1.501%28c%29%284%29-1“>tax almanac.
PBS:
I am not an official member of the Tea Party but I have been a supporter and promoter from it’s spontaneous grassroots beginning!