Posted by Tina
If you were starting a new project or business would you look for the most complex possible model or would you look for a simple plan? Most people would recognize that a simple plan, with well defined parameters and goals would afford the best possible chance to reach a positive outcome. The more complex the model the more chances there are for missteps and mistakes. The more complex the plan the more confusion and delay there is for those attempting to execute it. The more confusion, mistakes, missteps, and delay the more expensive the project becomes. No business person would purposely design a complex business model. He would know instinctively that a complex plan is a recipe for failure. After seeing this chart I have to ask…what was the Obama administration thinking when it designed the Affordable Care Act? What was the Reid Pelosi Congress thinking?
I see a plan that will cause taxes to rise and cost the American taxpayer trillions over time.
I see a plan that will add greatly to our already massive debt.
I see a plan that is ripe for fraud and abuse.
I see a plan that is impossible to understand or execute opening citizens to unfair fines and fees.
I see a plan that will cost the American people in terms of jobs and job satisfaction.
I see a plan that will deliver mediocre services and still not result in every American having insurance.
I see a plan that cannot work and that will create chaos, havoc, and great unnecessary expense.
Our leaders have no skin in the big government game. They live in a comphy bubble of privilege. Their lives and livelihoods are not affected by the complex laws they foist onto the public. Their interest in passing such laws is simply to keep their privileged status and the power and stature it affords them. They don’t care whether what they have given us works.
I highly recommend the source article, “Crovitz: ObamaCare’s Serious Complications “, which includes this “ironic” point of interest:
Ironically, President Obama’s former top regulator is among the best known proponents of less complexity. Cass Sunstein, who oversaw regulations for the White House in 2009-12, is the author of “Simpler: The Future of Government,” published earlier this year.
Can we count on Mr Sunstien to recommend scrapping Obamcare? Nah…the Democrats are the party of “do as we say not as we do”. They don’t care if this plan works; the chaos, havoc and expense won’t touch their lives!
“I see a plan that will cost the American people in terms of jobs and job satisfaction.”
On the contrary. If your insurance is no longer tied to your job … that’s huge. No more staying in a job you hate cause you can’t let the insurance go. I can see “Big Employer” being right bummed about that: “Dang, we can’t treat these people like serfs anymore, they’ll up an leave!”
As for breadth and complexity … there’s no escaping it, I’m afraid. It’s a big country. Now, if you can’t deal with it, well, nobody’s making you.
What you do have to do, though, is send people to the Leg who can, i.e., NOT Michelle Bachmann.
Treat them like serfs? Libby you are incredibly biased and ignorant when it comes to how things work.
First of all insurance provided by the employer has always been experienced by most people as a benefit. It’s one of the things that unions bargained to get in negotiations with their employers.
Second there is a program called COBRA for transition coverage for terminated employees.
Third, leaving or staying in a job is a personal choice. Your desire to punishing the entire nation with the cost of a big bureaucracy and a program that doesn’t work is very selfish on your part…poor baby, too cheap to buy your own insurance in the interim? I expect so since you have said you will not buy on the exchange but pay the fine. You aren’t even going to put your money in the communal pot…typical progressive attitude.
Fourth, employers are not affected either way, especially in the lousy environment Obama and the Democrats have created…the shortage of good jobs means there’s plenty of people looking for work who could replace the disgruntled employee in a heartbeat. (The truth is rarely is any employee irreplaceable…including the boss…get over yourself)
Fifth, what employer would be interested in keeping an unhappy employee? Unless an employee has been unproductive or disruptive many employers will give the departing employee a good recommendation…some even assist in finding them alternative work.
“As for breadth and complexity … there’s no escaping it”
That’s actually not true, not at all. The chart that can be viewed at the link above shows that the goal of this legislation was power and control in the hands of government bureaucrats.
The ACA does nothing to make healthcare more affordable or more accessible. 30,000 people will still go without insurance. More people will be shoved into Medical/Medicade and that will put pressure on state budgets. Middle class taxes will go up probably at the state and federal level. The ACA makes the process more difficult and healthcare more restricted for most Americans.
You could likewise rid the Congress of such failures as Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schummer, Charlie Rangle, Barnie Frank, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Dick Durban, Al Franken, Mary Landrieu, Patrick Leahy, Carl Levin, Barbara Mikulski, Elizabeth Warren, John Dingel, John Conyers, Henry Waxman, Pete DeFazio, John Lewis, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson-Lee, and Chris Van Hollen to name just a few.
The complex plan’s government run exchange doesn’t work because the administration didn’t want people to know how much the plans cost before they were evaluated for a possible subsidy. See Forbes article.
I guess the problem is that the prices and related costs are nothing to brag about.
What dummy (or dummies) ever imagined that this big gangly complicated mess would be inexpensive and help people? People that don’t have to use it for one.
Once upon a time a man appeared in a village and announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys for $10 each.
The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went out to the forest and started catching them. The man bought thousands at $10 and, as supply started to diminish, the villagers stopped their effort.
He next announced that he would now buy monkeys at $20 each. This renewed the efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further and people started going back to their farms.
The offer increased to $25 each and the supply of monkeys became so scarce it was an effort to even find a monkey, let alone catch it!
The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50 each! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would buy on his behalf.
In the absence of the man, the assistant told the villagers: “Look at all these monkeys in the big cage that the man has already collected. I will sell them to you at $35.00 and when the man returns from the city, you can sell them to him for $50.00 each.”
The villagers rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys for 700 billion dollars.
They never saw the man or his assistant again, only lots and lots of monkeys!
Now you have a better understanding of how the Obama Health Care PLAN WILL WORK !!!!
It doesn’t get much clearer than this…………….
LOL…excellent! Thx Harold.
No, it’s not excellent. It makes no sense, actually, only provides yet more evidence that you don’t know anything about the ACA and what (little) it proposes to do.
“Second there is a program called COBRA for transition coverage for terminated employees.”
Spoken like a woman who’s never actually tried to use it. Be instructed. You are a secretary for a law firm, and part of a group insurance plan. Your group rate is $300 per month. The employer pays $250; you pay $50.
One day, you run screaming into the night, that is, quit your job, and a few weeks later you get the COBRA forms. From these you learn that the individual rate you would be charged to COBRA your coverage is $850 a month … and you pitch the COBRA package into the recycle bin.
The percentage of the working public that could, ever, afford to COBRA their coverage is very, very, very tiny. Consequently, the program is all but useless.
“You could likewise rid the Congress of such failures as ….”
Tina, you read any good polls lately? I mean, you can never tell … a year and a half, anything could happen. But there is great giddiness in certain quarters over the sudden, actual, possibility of the Dems taking the House back in ’14.
You dumb bunnies have dug yourselves one rather deep hole.
Libby: “Spoken like a woman who’s never actually tried to use it. Be instructed. You are a secretary for a law firm, and part of a group insurance plan. Your group rate is $300 per month. The employer pays $250; you pay $50…One day, you run screaming into the night, that is, quit your job…”
Ignorant move and really stupid planning! It would have been smarter to secure another job before giving in to childish emotions. Geez, girl, you are how old? And still expecting someone else to figure out your life?
“But there is great giddiness in certain quarters over the sudden, actual, possibility of the Dems taking the House back in ’14.”
Yep…the Democrats, their polling buddies, and media have begun the misinformation campaign for the next election alrady. They have told us many things…it would be easy to sign up for Obamacare, for instance. But old harry Reid and company had to pull back the rhetoric a week ago when the public didn’t care for their nasty blame game remarks. We’ll see…what if what you are hearing is all Democrat spin and the Republicans grab the Senate and hold on to the House…then what?
And you dumb bunnies don’t know and cannot learn that when you’ve dug yourselves into a hole it’s time to stop digging!
I just hope the people wake up before you bury us all.
RE: One day, you run screaming into the night, that is, quit your job, and a few weeks later you get the COBRA forms. From these you learn that the individual rate you would be charged to COBRA your coverage is $850 a month … and you pitch the COBRA package into the recycle bin.
Assuming this is just a hypothetical situation, Why did you not comment or add that by doing all this ‘running into the night’ without a plan, that person needs to accept and take responsibility for their actions. As well as stop blaming others, and depending on someone else for their existence. ?????
#8 Tina, “Yep…the Democrats, their polling buddies, and media have begun the misinformation campaign for the next election already.”
I am amazed every time I hear the Democrats and Obama say they won’t negotiate with Republicans who are just trying to get them to comply with what is already law. But, according to everything we hear it’s the Republicans who are being blamed for shutting the gov’t down.
The Democrats wrote ObamaCare with the help of AARP and SEIU and passed it without a single Republican vote. They got everything they wanted in it, now they don’t want it. Well, they don’t want some of it’s mandates to apply to a select few, while having all of it apply to others who don’t have a powerful voice to speak for them. It should apply to everyone equally without wavers and extensions for friends and families.
I find it very hard to believe that the people being polled are that uninformed and still believe anything the MSM says. Hopefully, they’ll learn the truth before Nov. 2014. There will be no help from the MSM in getting the truth out, leaving the digital media and the Republican party to get their act together and coordinate their message.
Side note. Got another phone call last night from the GOP asking for a contribution. Told him I only give to FreedomWorks and to take me off their call list. I will not give to reelect John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and others who have forgotten the GOP foundation and rich history.
“Yep…the Democrats, their polling buddies, and media have begun the misinformation campaign for the next election alrady.”
Well, if it comforts you to think so. But I think Fox News also ran some numbers that were … not good.
“Got another phone call last night from the GOP asking for a contribution. Told him I only give to FreedomWorks ….”
Excellent.
“Third, leaving or staying in a job is a personal choice.”
*headdesk*
“Third, leaving or staying in a job is a personal choice.”
*headdesk* Chris
Running away from a pack of wolves is also a personal choice…so, what? What are you trying to say Chris?
Libby: “Tina, you read any good polls lately?”
Read one tonight.
Only 13% of Americans think the government is headed in the right direction. (That would be the group you and all of those commies in Congress belong to)
Tina, this bubble-headed nonsense cost you the last election … it lost you this Congressional fight … what’s it going to take to make you realize you are not “the voice of the people.”
Fox News, Breibart, Beck, all of them … they lie to you … for the sake of ad revenue.
You are the voice of yourself … that’s all.
I grant you, you had a lot more company, back when The Shrub was touting the Iraq War, WMD, and all that bogus horsepucky. (I hear his falling out with Cheney dates from his realization that Cheney played him for a Stooge.)
And all your company, they too could not help but take note of how it all played out, and they’re not your company anymore (small blessings).
So when are you going to wise up?
Here’s the opinion of an Obama supporter.
“Tavis Smiley: Black People Are Not Better Off Under Obama; President Ought to Be ‘Held Responsible’
As we reported this week, PBS radio host Tavis Smiley debated Fox’s Sean Hannity over the government shutdown. Another interesting nugget from that interview is when Smiley asserted that the lot of black Americans has not improved under this current presidency.
“Are black Americans better off five years into the Obama presidency?” Hannity bluntly asked the political radio host.
“Let me answer your question very forthrightly: No, they are not,” Smiley responded. “The data is going to indicate, sadly, that when the Obama administration is over, black people will have lost ground in every single leading economic indicator category.”
“On that regard,” he added, “the president ought to be held responsible.”
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tavis-smiley-black-people-are-not-better-off-under-obama-president-ought-to-be-held-responsible/
Libby: “this bubble-headed nonsense cost you the last election.”
Excuse me but in the last election Nancy Pelosi lost the House to Republicans and Republicans won the House because of the efforts of the Tea party…hello!
“what’s it going to take to make you realize you are not “the voice of the people.”
I have never claimed to be. I am not a part of the 13% who think America is headed in the right direction…you are.
“I hear his falling out with Cheney dates from his realization that Cheney played him for a Stooge.”
Sounds like a lie to me…a left wing rule #12 lie!
“So when are you going to wise up?”
Libby you backed a man that has delivered the worst economy this nation has seen since the Great Depression and shoved millions of people into poverty:
We told you the policies you favor don’t work. You have had five years to wise up…mirror?
Peggy thanks for sharing that. I agree that Obama should be held accountable, as should the Democrat Party as a whole.
When will the people begin to hold Democrats responsible?
maybe they have begun to do so…don’t know that it will be enough to show up in elections.
Good heavens, you can’t have forgotten about Mitt already? Talk about denial.
All those rich guys spent all that money, and you still lost, because you just don’t have the numbers anymore.
And … you don’t seem to have the sense to see beyond the numbers, don’t even look. This Cruz guy, for instance … he’s down on the ACA. Lots of people are. But where on earth did he get the idea that he could propose trashing the thing, without offering anything better?
Makes no sense. Our healthcare delivery system is wildly inadequate. Something must be done. And we’re going to proceed with the ACA, tweak it as necessary, until … who knows.
Libby, our healthcare system wasn’t wildly inadequate, but it had some obvious defects that could have been fixed without dismantling the whole thing. What we have now is starting to be more problamatic than what we just left behind.
“We told you the policies you favor don’t work.”
They would. If we could get the crazy people out of the House and apply them. The economy’s been dead flat for three years … you’re doing … and you can take responsiblity for the 2.6 million.
Libby, the President sets the agenda. If the White House policies fails to improve the economy by any decernable measure why do you say that is our fault?
“If the White House policies fails to improve the economy by any decernable measure why do you say that is our fault?”
Because the House has flatly refused to 1) pass legislation implementing proposed stimuli or 2) pass legislation doing anything else at all that might pass the Senate and be signed into law … for three years!
How many times have then sent up their “Kill the ACA” bill? And how many times have they been told: “Get real”?
Pitiful.
Libby the Democrats had control of the House and Senate for two years under Bush.
I suggest you read this article and make sure you scroll down for the record starting with Bill Clinton’s so called surplus.
See also here. It includes a pie chart for a quick assessment. Source: U.S. Treasury
The Democrats had a super majority in both houses for two more years under Obama. That was more than enough time to recover from the recession and greatly improve the economy. They chose to go with Keynes…they chose stimulus spending and higher taxes. And then they piled on more taxes and regulations in the ACA. The pitiful tax cuts Obama allowed were targeted and ineffective. The incentive spending did nothing to stimulate real overall growth. Their crazy approach did nothing to inspire confidence. BIG F’ING FAIL!
“Pitiful.”
There is nothing “pitiful” about passing bills that reflect the will of the people they represent.
The only bills that the Senate would consider would be more of the sam old crap that has failed! Get real!
Extremists in the Democrat Party refuse to even consider the weight and substance behind grave displeasure with this law and with Obama’s failed approach to the economy. They are putting extreme ideology and their party above the needs of the people and the nation. They have no respect for the process, the Constitution, the people…or themselves.
Amazing that you can in one breath insist that conservatives are irrelevant and then in the next breath say that everything is our fault. So which is it Libby?
Liberals: Demanding as hell at one end and totally irresponsible at the other. (Old Reagan favorite)
The President was out blaming everybody but himself for the government shut down and his entire presidency…now that is pitiful!
Someone is in denial and it isn’t us.
Obama and the Democrats (and you) own the lousy economy, the high unemployment, the high levels of inadequate employment, the lost businesses, the slow recovery in the housing market, the businesses destroyed by EPA regulation threats, the rich getting richer and the number of poor growing by leaps and bounds.
Reagan was right. Kennedy was right! Neither of them were the socialists that you and your leftist buddies are…and you are killing us.
Pathetic!