Posted by Jack
I just recieved this letter in my email and i thought I would share it with you. This person really nails it!
The Honorable Supervisor XXXX
XXXXXXXXXX
Oroville, CA 95966
Dear Supervisor XXXXXXX,
I believe that the Butte County Board of Supervisors should endorse the movement by “We the People” to join with other northern California counties to form the new State of Jefferson.
Like the founders of our great nation, in 2013 we experience onerous taxation without direct representation in the state and federal law making bodies. Political power has grown and become consolidated in the metropolitan regions of San Diego being almost 600 miles to our south, Los Angeles, over 450 miles away, finally in the uber-liberal San Francisco Bay Area, which is known for being a “sanctuary city”.
Lawmakers and unelected bureaucrats from these metropolitan areas create onerous regulations which impact the lives of those who live in the rural, farming, and mountainous regions without understanding the needs of our communities. Since the northern counties are sparsely populated, we are virtually ignored as a practical matter by our own politicians. They don’t need us to be elected and they don’t need to serve us to stay in office.
Californians pay high state income and sales taxes, and the highest gas tax in the nation. “Taxation without representation is tyranny,” said our revolutionary founding fathers. Much has changed since the 1760’s, but fortunately not the foundational principles upon which our great nation was created.
Please let me have your assurance that you will work with the people to get us representation by supporting the formation of the State of Jefferson.
Sincerely,
(I think this is a great outline for a letter to send to our supervisors in support of a new state)
Yeah, I’m afraid he does. The letter lays it out quite plainly: “If we can’t be the biggest fish in the big pond, well, then, we will make a little pond of our own!” … which is really very childish.
I want to see a letter that lays out some practical reality, some numbers. How, exactly, is this going to work?
Take the Hwy 99 widening. If the approximately 100,000 taxpayers in Butte County had ponied up for that themselves, it would have come to about $350 dollars a piece. In the big pond, you just had to wait your turn. In the little pond, you’ll have to pay up, or sit in traffic.
I will fight against the state of Jefferson. I am a Californian and do not want to live in a poverty stricken state where the congressman splits his farm to receive more farm subsidies. A state where there is no income to support it.
Geez, I thought this ladies letter was excellent and that she made a number of valid points??
Sadly, dbeueno you are free to make a clearly wrong decision if you wish and go against a free state, its your right because it’s still barely a free country. I would caution you however, that businesses would flock to a new North State because of business friendly regulations, limited government, all our natural amenities, better schools and especially our low taxation coupled to a large labor force that needs the new jobs, among many other things opposite of CA.
That [poor] state you invision would not be poor at all, just the opposite. In fact, there is every reason to believe it would be wealthy beyond your limited intellect to imagine. So you go ahead and support the highest taxes in the nation and the highest paid bureaucrats in Sacramento too! You enjoy CA schools on par with Arkansas. You can celebrate massive welfare (we have over 25% of USA’s welfare living off us), but others with a more rational mind would rather do something else…anything else than go down the tubes with you! We can’t stand to see the destruction of what was once a great states (tops in the nation) to something on the bottom….thanks mostly to liberals like yourself.
It’s totally off topic, but I just have to share.
It’s a riddle, sort of …
Under the new Texas voting rights law, why is it that you can use your carry-permit as voter ID at the polls, but NOT your student ID?
Because … gun owners are inclined to vote Republican, but students are inclined to vote Democrat!
Funny, funny, funny!
Or how about because a gun permit is a legal document where the alteration is difficult and misuse unlikely, as oppossed to an easy to get and easy to fake Student ID card. Not so funny now, huh?
I’m all for this but I don’t see how it could work.
Don’t you have to get a majority of the state legislature to approve this? And the same goes for Congress?
How is that going to happen when Demoncrats have a two-thirds majority in the state legislature and a majority in the House?
Do you think they will vote to create a Red state out of Blue state? I don’t think so.
Bill you make good points, but we are hoping that by the time this gets to congress democrats will have lost the Senate thanks to their president who has just shafted millions of voters with his Obamacare. We need a simple majority in both the house and senate. Conservatives control the house already. In Calif. we will have to sell the idea that it will be good for Socal and there are some good reasons. Won’t be easy, but it’s not impossible.
Even if this doesn’t work it will prove one thing once and for all: What hypocrites Demoncrats are.
The overwhelming majority of the people in these counties don’t want to be ruled by Sacramento and Demoncrats. Just look at what the election results always are for these counties.
And this proves that even though Demoncrats claim to love democracy and self-determination they are completely against allowing the people of these counties to determine their destiny.
“I will fight against the state of Jefferson. ”
Dbueno, in honor of you I will name the new state North Alabama.
Libster, where on earth do you get $350 a piece? Source, please.
And what about federal highway funds?
Todd good questions and I doubt Libby has an answer. The highways that Libby mentions are both federal highways and come under federal funding, they have little to do with the state.
Dbueno, AKA Dewey, what evidence do you have that the state of Jefferson would be poverty stricken?
Consider the place we now have in the once great state of California. Libby talks about waiting our turn. How long have we waited for 70 and 99 to be widened? How many people at the first street onramp died while we waited?
A new state with a new tax structure and a friendly attitude toward business will mean our children won’t have to leave to find good jobs and the priorities we have will be addressed with more enthusiasm.
It’s incredible how your view of the folks in the North State are such incompetents. Maybe you need to consider moving to a place where you feel more comfortable and in tune with your fellow citizens.
Todd excellent questions!
Can’t wait for the reply
1) We are still trying to fix the state after Arnie with His Chinese bay bridge.
2) My decision would not be wrong. NorCal does not need to bring in the polluting services for the few to make money. No regulation to keep the water clean as the country loses it’s water supply to fracking and pipeline leaks.
3)Americans do not want to work for cheap wages. The work force is not good up here. I have never seen such a lack of work ethics in my life. Let alone skills. Workers would be imported.
4)Promises of better schools? No Voucher for profit schools are in a child’s favor. They are for profit.
5)Low taxation? Does that mean we would ground our roads into gravel as they deteriorate like Texas is doing in Rural areas? Does that mean we will have bumpkins @$10.00 hr as fireman and police?
6)No Thank you. Why ruin Norcal? I will fix things not create more problems on the basis of a TP koch agenda to privatize away to wall street.
TEXAS ID Law?
It is voter suppression. In the 1960’s Texas required women (by law) to have their maiden name as their middle name on their drivers licenses. Their social security and other docs will not match cause it will have their real middle name. Someone gonna tell me the lawmakers did not know this as they wrote the new law?
LOL Voter suppression to steal the country for those who crashed it after they stole the 2000 election. Yes Stolen. and GW was Supreme court appointed.
This week – A Texas Judge and Tammy Davis had problems voting. Imagine what a regular woman got during their recent election. How many people will not have their ballot counted cause it is provisional?
I see false claims here. I surely hope this is all for fun. Facts seem to evade in here.
Who has read the ACA? cause I rarely see actual facts just tea party talking points. The ones that have been disproved over and over and over.
We have real problems. The TPP? Trans Pacific partnership?
The Koch Keystone pipeline to China for Trans Canada?
Hey there is a new Keystone leak today!
The Koch brothers will more than double their entire wealth over keystone.
America will loose their water supply to spills. maybe get 20,000 jobs and the oil is exported.
By the way the Tea Party and GOP all voted against a bill to make some of that oil stay here.
Fox is not news . Fox was banned in Canada even,
The tea party wants to divide the State into 3 states. They are trying to do the same thing in San Diego/Orange. Ya see they also want 2 Senators per state. They figure they will have 4 republican and 2 dems. Koch Brothers are behind all this with a few friends. The tea Party is not grass roots, LOL
You can read the written agenda it’s been exposed. Undisputed by the world.
I see hate, those Liberals, Those democrats, I am an Independent and for the record, My way or the Highway is a dictatorship.
I’ll stick with democracy and fix things. No Koch Brother is going to sell me a Phony dream so they can come steal our resources when it fails. Next I’ll hear Marshall law and an emergency manager so they can do what they are doing in Michigan here.
Delusional at best and the majority will never go for a Tea Party State. We see VA, MI, WI< IN< TX and the rest of the Tea Party States NO THANK YOU
The State of Jefferson is the only way Northern California is going to have a voice in Sacramento. We are not being represented and yet they continue to tax us, spending our money on layers of government agencies, unelected boards and commissions, who do not answer to we the people. The funding for a State of Jefferson is simple. There would be limited taxes for those things that government is Constitutionally suppose to provide, public safety, roads, infrastructure, which can all be done locally, as well as education. There would be an influx of people as it was stated above coming for the vast opportunities to work and lift themselves out of poverty, because business would be encouraged and not crushed by taxes, fees (more taxes), and unnecessary regulations. We the People would once again have a voice. God bless.
To dbueno: You’re a Californian that doesn’t want to live with a congressman who receives farm subsidies. Guess what dude, you do. So why wouldn’t you wan’t that to change?
People are so scared of change, even when they’re circling the drain.
My favorite Aesop’s fable: A fat happy dog was off his leash one evening, wandering the forest beyond his back yard. He came upon a skinny wolf and asked him why he was skinny. The wolf would’ve killed and eaten the dog, but was feeling weak, so he responded “It’s been a rough week hunting. But you seem to be doing pretty well, dog, what have you been eating?” The dog said “My master gives me lots of table scraps! And the kids pet me, it’s a great life! All they expect of me is to bark at strangers.”
He went on, “you could too! Come home with me!” The wolf was so happy to befriend this dog and get a job. He couldn’t wait for some fat scraps when he got to his new home. But half way there he noticed a bald spot around the dog’s neck. He asked the dog about it, and the dog said “that’s from the chain rubbing. My master chains me up sometimes”.
The wolf stopped and said “Go home, dog. I’d rather be hungry and free than fat and chained up.”
Sacramento is the master, and there are those that like to act the house dog.
Good points Victoria. All we want is a chance to live in a place where more freedom and more common sense prevail. We no longer will put up with a state that has the highest income taxes and highest sales taxes in the country and still spends much more than it takes in. For many years now the clowns in Sacramento have only made things worse and worse. Does any mature, rational person really think that they are not going to continue to make things worse in the foreseeable future?
Mike, Casey and Victoria, you all make a lot of sense and I hope our friend Dewey, who represents the typical liberal opinion, will stop and think for two seconds, maybe three, and realize what you are trying to tell him. This movement for a new state is about freedom, bringing government closer to us so that we will have a government that truly represents the will of the people. We aren’t about stopping taxation, we are about fair taxation! We just want our tax money spent wisely, to improve the quality of life for everyone. I can’t believe I have to explain such simple, honest things to Dewey…I think he’s been under the socialist spell far too long.
Elections have consequences. Democracy is not a spectator sport.
So when a majority disagree with the Tea Party they are all an enemy? The tea Party is not a grass roots group. The people started out wanting to fix the corporate greed, wall street corruption ect. Now all I see is the same cut and paste talking points by the Koch elected puppets.
The agenda is well documented and it is to kill gov.
Ok No gov now who runs the country? The same exact people who are running it now, Global Corporations, Wall Street, the banksters, and the Billionaires.
The GOP deregulation was a failure.
All parties that supported the Trade agreements sent our jobs overseas. The Obama Admin with this TPP will put the nail in the trade coffin with the Trans Pacific partnership.
Just because a few years have passed, the people must not forget the past and it is a combination of both parties.
The patriot Act was a setup. The NDAA American citizen detentions was a GOP Idea. Obama said he would veto it. They sent the bill up in the 11th hour so Obama had to sign it. Now he signs it freely. He does have a signing clause saying he will not use it but so what the next president can as long as it becomes the norm.
If ya look at the Plan for the states it is the same as they had for the USA companies.
Michigan is the test case. They bankrupt it, declare financial Marshall law, appoint an emergency manager who has unilateral power with the gov.
They go in and clean out the assets line their pockets. Then they want to sell off the land.
China is buying up Michigan factories, The TPP allows them to come in start factories and bring their own employees.
There is more stories like this. ALL TRUE
Tea party is not a solution. Hatred for all people who disagree is not American.
Americans were not paying attention. It is our fault. We need to fix it.
There are 2 choices
1) Bring back the gov to a “Gov by the People for the People and fix it” We do better when the 2 sides discuss agree to disagree and vote.
2) Continue on the path to get rid of the fed Gov(our only protection) and allow the corporations to rule and citizens have no say at all.
I choose to fix the Gov, take it back, and get all politicians regardless of party out who are lining their pockets.
This is the voters fault.
They decimated our economy, sent our jobs overseas, crashed the Global markets and now have their Sheeple hating those who got hurt.
Eric cantor has said wages should be $3.00 an hour yea right.
la malfa wants to cut snap and direct the money to his own pockets.
la Malfa will be removed sooner or later. I will campaign against him till he is out. He is part of the problem not the solution.
I do not want to live in a Tea party ran State, There are plenty of tea Party states to look at and their people are not happy, the states are doing bad, take more fed aid then they put in with a couple exceptions.
There is an old corporate Slogan
Sell the dream, World Domination
The dream is a Phony dream to collect the Sheeple.
P.S> The federal Highways? Ya mean the ones the GOP refuses to fix?
They want to privatize everything to wall street profit. Everything!
Mr Gaines came into a place I was at campaigning, he directly said Privatize everything!
A world where you get charged by the mile and toll roads for some foreign company to profit is not a free world.
Socialist spell? LOL No I just do not want to be a Tea Party State.
People who know me think I am both conservative and liberal.
The Koch brothers will not get California …
Here is why separating northern California’s counties will be economically successful as a new state.
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Americans keep moving to states with low taxes and housing costs:
“Where are Americans moving, and why? Timothy Noah, writing in the Washington Monthly, professes to be puzzled. He points out that people have been moving out of states with high per capita incomes — Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland — to states with lower income levels.
Between 1970 and 2010 the population of New York state increased from 18 million to 19 million. In that same period, the population of Texas increased from 11 million to 25 million.
The picture is even starker if you look at major metro areas. The New York metropolitan area, including counties in New Jersey and Connecticut, increased from 17.8 million in 1970 to 19.2 million in 2010 — up 8 percent. During that time the nation grew 52 percent.
In the same period, the four big metro areas in Texas — Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin — grew from 6 million to 15.6 million, a 160 percent increase.
Opportunity does exist in the Northeastern states and in California — for people with very high skill levels. And for low-skill immigrants, without whom those metro areas would have lost rather than gained population over the last three decades.
But there’s not much opportunity there for people with midlevel skills who want to raise families. Housing costs are exceedingly high, partly, as Noah notes, because of restrictive land use and zoning regulations.
And central city public schools, with a few exceptions, repel most middle-class parents.
High taxes produce revenues to finance handsome benefits and pensions for public employee union members in the high-cost states. It’s hard to see how this benefits middle-class people making their livings in the private sector.
Liberals like Noah often decry income inequality. But the states with the most unequal incomes and highest poverty levels these days are California and New York. That’s what happens when high taxes and housing costs squeeze out the middle class.
As Noah notes, “Few working-class people earn enough money to live anywhere near San Francisco.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/americans-keep-moving-to-states-with-low-taxes-and-housing-costs/article/2538200
Oh, Todd … it’s all available on the net. There are something over 200,000 people in Butte County. I generously supposed that 100,000 of them pay property taxes. The highway widening in on record at something under 38M. $350 was a modest suppose.
And you ain’t got it, have you?
And as to any hoping for federal funds … are you nuts? Population-wise, Jefferson is gonna be 52nd on the list.
Go on … shoot yerselves in the big toe, fiscally speaking.
The population density of Northern California is absolutely not a factor Libby, it is more than adequate to handle a start up State and a I defy you to prove otherwise. The only problem would be the soaring land and home prices due to the huge numbers of working people disposessed by liberal states like CA. that would flock to the new State. Controlling the explosion of new businesses and jobs in NorCal would be a major task, but it’s a good problem to have!
Libby, it’s beyond your ability to imagine this, but I assure you its true. There are millions of people who would leave SoCal (and some other places) in a New York minute if Northern Ca could offer them a better deal. The are fed up and we see the evidence of that in jobs lost to other states. Despite all our natural abundance, for the first time in CA history we have more people leaving than arriving. And those arriving are not the same quality as those leaving. If you dispute this you are ignorant of the facts and need to do some research.
Libby’s concern is hysterical. she lives currently in a state with a governor who believes the bullet train is something we can pay for…even as our infrastructure is in need of repair.
And that is exactly why the state of Jefferson makes sense to us.
“Despite all our natural abundance, ….”
I don’t know about this, either. Aren’t they having a big fuss in Modoc? The alfalfa growers are starving the rivers.
There are only so many cutable trees in Trinity. Half the county (literally) is on public assistance. But they’re a rooted bunch. I don’t think you’re going to get them to leave; I really don’t.
And it really would be a shame if you turned the north state into some sort of industrial sink, because if you lure them up with no taxes and no environmental restriction, that is what those industrials will do.
Where are the economics report on the train? where are the facts? Where is the real information?
Freedom?
Freedom is not being dictated to by a small majority who spins the truth, can not have a real discussion using actual facts and takes joy in hating those who are still suffering for the 2 unpaid wars and the crash all from the same policies to which they want to reinstate.
Freedom is allowing all to speak and to discuss the issues. Freedom is not one Party’s ideology and rules.
Freedom is not removing all rules and tearing up the beautiful Norcal region to export resources to China.
Free Speech is not Money.
Corporations are not people