Lies and Indoctrination – How Far Will Liberal Progressives Go?

Posted by Tina

Does it make sense that one of the most racially diverse universities in the country has a placque on it’s walls that proclaims: ” THIS BUILDING IS DEDICATED TO PUBLIC SERVICE HONORING THE MEMORY OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN DEMOCRAT”?

Not to me either…but it’s right there on the wall at Northeastern Illinois University.

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63 Responses to Lies and Indoctrination – How Far Will Liberal Progressives Go?

  1. Peggy says:

    Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB: Path to Communism in America.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iz3VjoHXLA

    Psychological Warfare, Subversion and Control of Western Society.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg

  2. J. Soden says:

    Given the performances by those in this white house over the past 4 1/2 years, the evidence shows there is NO limit to which lying politicians will go.

  3. Libby says:

    Honestly !

    http://www.neiu.edu/About%20NEIU/NEIU%20Newsroom/News/FY2013/ccics-plaque-statement.html

    Again … it was perfectly obvious to anybody with brains that work that something else must be going on here. Why was it not obvious to you?

  4. Tina says:

    Libby it was not perfectly obvious or the university wouldn’t have to put out such a “creative”, and specious, explanation:

    Installed in the building for its opening in 1905, the plaque includes an inscription of the word “democrat” following Abraham Lincoln’s name. According to building archives, the word democrat was used because Lincoln was an advocate for democracy—the political or social equality of all people. The word was not chosen to reflect a political affiliation.

    BUNK!

  5. Pie Guevara says:

    Re “According to building archives, the word democrat was used because Lincoln was an advocate for democracy—the political or social equality of all people. The word was not chosen to reflect a political affiliation.”

    http://www.neiu.edu/About%20NEIU/NEIU%20Newsroom/News/FY2013/ccics-plaque-statement.html

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  6. Tina says:

    Good links Peggy…chills me to the bone!

  7. Pie Guevara says:

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  8. Pie Guevara says:

    Re #1 Peggy :

    Thanks for those absolutely outstanding video links Peggy.

  9. Pie Guevara says:

    #4 Continued

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  10. Pie Guevara says:

    #4 Continued

    Clearly Northeastern Illinois University wishes to deny and obscure Lincoln’s deep commitment to American Republicanism. The following is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism

    Republicanism in the United States
    Main article: Republicanism in the United States

    In recent years a debate has developed over the role of republicanism in the American Revolution and in the British radicalism of the 18th century. For many decades the consensus was that liberalism, especially that of John Locke, was paramount and that republicanism had a distinctly secondary role.[6]

    The new interpretations were pioneered by J.G.A. Pocock who argued in The Machiavellian Moment (1975) that, at least in the early 18th century, republican ideas were just as important as liberal ones. Pocock’s view is now widely accepted.[7] Bernard Bailyn and Gordon Wood pioneered the argument that the American founding fathers were more influenced by republicanism than they were by liberalism. Cornell University professor Isaac Kramnick, on the other hand, argues that Americans have always been highly individualistic and therefore Lockean.[8]

    In the decades before the American Revolution (1776), the intellectual and political leaders of the colonies studied history intently, looking for models of good government. They especially followed the development of republican ideas in England.[9] Pocock explained the intellectual sources in America:[10]

    The Whig canon and the neo-Harringtonians, John Milton, James Harrington and Sidney, Trenchard, Gordon and Bolingbroke, together with the Greek, Roman, and Renaissance masters of the tradition as far as Montesquieu, formed the authoritative literature of this culture; and its values and concepts were those with which we have grown familiar: a civic and patriot ideal in which the personality was founded in property, perfected in citizenship but perpetually threatened by corruption; government figuring paradoxically as the principal source of corruption and operating through such means as patronage, faction, standing armies (opposed to the ideal of the militia), established churches (opposed to the Puritan and deist modes of American religion) and the promotion of a monied interest — though the formulation of this last concept was somewhat hindered by the keen desire for readily available paper credit common in colonies of settlement. A neoclassical politics provided both the ethos of the elites and the rhetoric of the upwardly mobile, and accounts for the singular cultural and intellectual homogeneity of the Founding Fathers and their generation.

    The commitment of most Americans to these republican values made the American Revolution inevitable. Britain was increasingly seen as corrupt and hostile to republicanism, and as a threat to the established liberties the Americans enjoyed.[11]

    Leopold von Ranke in 1848 claimed that American republicanism played a crucial role in the development of European liberalism:[12]

    By abandoning English constitutionalism and creating a new republic based on the rights of the individual, the North Americans introduced a new force in the world. Ideas spread most rapidly when they have found adequate concrete expression. Thus republicanism entered our Romanic/Germanic world…. Up to this point, the conviction had prevailed in Europe that monarchy best served the interests of the nation. Now the idea spread that the nation should govern itself. But only after a state had actually been formed on the basis of the theory of representation did the full significance of this idea become clear. All later revolutionary movements have this same goal… This was the complete reversal of a principle. Until then, a king who ruled by the grace of God had been the center around which everything turned. Now the idea emerged that power should come from below…. These two principles are like two opposite poles, and it is the conflict between them that determines the course of the modern world. In Europe the conflict between them had not yet taken on concrete form; with the French Revolution it did.

  11. Peggy says:

    Those videos are bone chillers. Talk about hearing it from someone who lived it and to see so much of it to have happened since those videos were made. We have been going through the conversion for decades and it appears we are in the final steps with ObamaCare’s total control of our very lives.

    The second video is over an hour long,so I haven’t finished it yet. I plan on keeping them both to watch again.

  12. Princess says:

    Spare me Lincoln’s deep devotion to Republicanism. That means nothing today. Even our own Republicans don’t know what that means anymore. What our parties stand for is constantly changing. There was a time when I could look with pride at many in Republican leadership. Wally Herger was a pretty good rep for our district and in the House of Representatives. He didn’t become rich and famous like some of his more corrupt counterparts, but he represented our district well. Now we have Doug LaMalfa, right in there with his hand out for some free farm subsidy money.

    I look at our current Speaker of the House and I am disgusted that he is the most powerful Republican in Congress. Eric Cantor isn’t much better and Mitch McConnell isn’t either. I wasn’t thrilled with Romney as a candidate and I still think that if big money had been out of the race we might be thanking President Huntsman for turning us around.

  13. Scared Conservative says:

    Posted by Chris

    Clearly, President Obama used his time machine (previously used to change his birth certificate) to travel back to 1905 to personally change the inscription in order to indoctrinate young people into Marxist socialist gimme welfare queen state Hitler youth leftist Kenyan gay New World Order terrorists global warming alarmists armists Islam Islam lam lam lam lam–

    Only we can save America from the evil despotic hordes that are around every corner tyrannically trying to corrupt our children and abort our white babies we must stand for America patriots eagles Jefferson small government guns and Jesus red white and blue white and blue freedom freedom freedom dom dom dom dom dom dom dom dom

    *blows fuse, explodes*

  14. Libby says:

    A queen!, and a prince! of denial.

    I’m not surprised. It must have been humiliating … to find out that the plaque went up looooong before the building was purchased by the university, and so any suggestion of the intellectual inferiority of multi-culturals comes all and entirely out of your own sadly bigoted little brains.

    Truly humiliating.

  15. Post Scripts says:

    According to Webster’s democrat can mean a number of things. It can mean an adherent of democracy, one who practices social equality, or a member of the democratic party which is by far the most common definition, while the others are almost never used.

    Consider, that at the time this plaque was made the two opposing party’s were the same as today, republicans and democrats. What kind of dummy would place democrat after Lincoln’s name knowing democrats and republicans were opposing party’s and Lincoln represented and basically founded the republican party?

    There’s no question in my mind, that Lincoln would have objected to the use of the term democrat after his name because of the confusion it would create.

    The verbage on the plaque smacks of some fathead academic trying to impress while totally missing the obvious. In other words, he was just another smart guy who lacked common sense.

    Logic is clearly on the side of those who are critical of the misuse of the word democrat connected to Lincoln’s name. Libby, I’m sorry that you choose to be mean and insult Tina on a such a deep and personal level. That was an overreaction, It was very disturbing to see that and so was Chris’comments, but then he’s young and so his insults are slightly more forgivable, but you Libby, you should know better. I’m disappointed.

  16. Libby says:

    “Libby, I’m sorry that you choose to be mean and insult Tina on a such a deep and personal level.”

    Oh, horsepucky! The whole point of that American Thinker (yeah, right) blog entry — that Tina chose to re-post — was that multi-culturals are inferior and ignorant and here’s proof … and their proof is a damned lie.

    I’m sick of this. You persist with this sort of thing, you’re getting it right back in your face, … until you quit doing it!

    Though I supposed I could be a little less vociferous about it. You do at least entertain the opposition, and a lot of conservative bloggers won’t.

  17. Pie Guevara says:

    You really can’t blame Northeastern Illinois University, they are only doing what comes naturally to Democrats.

    Why should the Democratic Party Machine that controls Illinois today undo what was done by the Democratic Party Machine of the early 1900s? That would be counterproductive.

    That plaque would no more be changed than Democrats would start bragging that —

    Democrats wrote, passed, and enforced discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.

    Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise and the Kansas Nebraska Act to protect and expand slavery.

    Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.

    Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered teachers that did.

    Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.

    Democrats founded the Ku Klux Klan.

    Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.

    Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.

    President Woodrow Wilson reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.

    Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.

    Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.

    Democratic Party Legislator opposed the 1965 Voting Rights Act (which Republicans passed.)

    Democrats opposed:

    The Emancipation Proclamation
    The 13th Amendment
    The 14th Amendment
    The 15th Amendment
    The Reconstruction Act of 1867
    The Civil Rights of 1866
    The Enforcement Act of 1870
    The Forced Act of 1871
    The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
    The Civil Rights Act of 1875
    The Freeman Bureau
    The Civil Rights Act of 1957
    The Civil Rights Act of 1960
    The United State Civil Rights Commission

    I could go on, but I think the point has been made.

    THE NOTION THAT TO BE A DEMOCRAT, BY PHILOSOPHY OR BY PARTY AFFILIATION MEANS TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR POLITICAL OR SOCIALLY EQUALITY FOR ALL PEOPLE IS PATENTLY ABSURD.

    Historically, to be a Democrat means to foment and engage in class, race, and ethnic warfare. President Abraham Lincoln was no Democrat, he was Republican through and through.

    To call him a Democrat is not merely absurd, it is an outrage.

    But hey, that is Democrats for you.

  18. Pie Guevara says:

    I need an editor, the above should have read SOCIAL EQUALITY

  19. Tina says:

    Libby: “The whole point of that American Thinker (yeah, right) blog entry — that Tina chose to re-post — was that multi-culturals are inferior and ignorant”

    Actually Libby neither one of those words, inferior or ignorant, occurred to me as I read the article or as I re-posted it.

    What did occur to me is the propaganda tricks and great deceptions (lies) that mar the Democrat Party and have for as long as I’ve been aware of politics.

    The examples in the current administration only highlight the ridiculous notation, “Democrat,” at the end of the tribute to Lincoln.

    Pie has illustrated the absurdity by showing the hypocrisy of linking Democrats to Lincoln. Once again the current president, who attempted to liken himself to Lincoln, has been the most divisive president this nation has ever seen.

    “I’m sick of this. You persist with this sort of thing, you’re getting it right back in your face, … until you quit doing it!”

    Libby, you guys have earned this misery.

    Considering that I’ve had to put up with “this” from the Democrat Party; the sycophant media; countless comedians and movie stars/makers; union thugs; protesters; agitators and the lefty masses for decades…and now from cyber leftists like you…you’ll forgive me if I don’t give a rip.

    I’m determined to compete. You already decided on the rules.

    But there is a simple way to end all of “this”. (I said simple, not easy.)

    Spend more of your time convincing the Democrat Party and friends (see above list) to grow up and behave as dignified responsible citizens. Convince them that debating ideas and winning on the merit of ideas is a superior way to play going forward. Convince them that campaigning on lies and coordinated efforts to personal destroy their opponents is tacky, destructive, infuriating, and unacceptable. Petition the media to do their damn jobs…covering the candidates and the issues from a neutral observers perspective. And last but not least, make a personal sacred vow to treat future Republican Presidents, VP’s, Congresspersons, etc, with the same respect you show to Democrats campaigning and in office rather than the S#*%%y way you treated people in the Bush administration, before and after…and since

    Change the game your team started and I’ll be only too happy to back off.

    Otherwise…fagetabowdit!

  20. Libby says:

    “The verbage on the plaque smacks of some fathead academic trying to impress while totally missing the obvious.”

    Will you just go read the press release! The university bought the building in ’69. Back when it was built, and the brass was placed, it was to be a social service agency, in the spirit of Lincoln … who was, in all but name, a democrat.

    Such willful ignorance!

    • Post Scripts says:

      Libby, I’m NOT taking issue with who has title to the building, I ONLY took issue with how Lincoln’s name was abused by attribution of the word democrat on the plaque. He opposed democrats..duh-uh. You might as well say Martin Luther King was [niggardly]. There’s some legal words that don’t fit with a person. Abraham Lincoln democrat is one of those combinations. Quit trying to be so oblivious about something so obvious, you’re smarter than that…aren’t you? (starting to have my doubts)

  21. Scared Conservative says:

    Tina: “Considering that I’ve had to put up with “this” from the Democrat Party; the sycophant media; countless comedians and movie stars/makers; union thugs; protesters; agitators and the lefty masses for decades…and now from cyber leftists like you…”

    Man, it’s like you were determined to prove how close to the mark my satirical comment was.

  22. Chris says:

    Whoops, left my pseudonym in place. The above comment should be attributed to Chris.

  23. Peggy says:

    Here is another lie and example of the end justifies the means to add to the long list for Democrats.

    Revealed: Obama Campaign Bundler Helping Fund Libertarian in Tight Va. Gubernatorial Race:

    “A major Democratic Party benefactor and Obama campaign bundler helped pay for professional petition circulators responsible for getting Virginia Libertarian gubernatorial candidate Robert C. Sarvis on the ballot — a move that could split conservative votes in a tight race.

    Campaign finance records show the Libertarian Booster PAC has made the largest independent contribution to Sarvis’ campaign, helping to pay for professional petition circulators who collected signatures necessary to get Sarvis’ name on Tuesday’s statewide ballot.

    Austin, Texas, software billionaire Joe Liemandt is the Libertarian Booster PAC’s major benefactor. He’s also a top bundler for President Barack Obama. This revelation comes as Virginia voters head to the polls Tuesday in an election where some observers say the third-party gubernatorial candidate could be a spoiler for Republican Ken Cuccinelli.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-campaign-bundler-helping-fund-libertarian-in-tight-va-gubernatorial-race/

  24. Tina says:

    Chris you’re an indoctrinated baby without much political experience or history from which to draw; your satire is adolescent drivel.

    Libby is a committed progressive and knows the accuracy of my rebuttal to her ridiculous whine.

  25. Tina says:

    Libby: “who was, in all but name, a democrat.”

    So sayeth the Alinsky acolyte.

    The politics of the time is documented by the National Black Republican Association:

    After they took control of Congress in 1892, Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil rights legislation passed by the Republicans, including the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875. It took Republicans nearly six decades to finally achieve passage of civil rights legislation in the 1950’s and 1960’s.

    It defies logic for Democrats today to claim that the racist Democrats suddenly joined the Republican Party after Republicans finally won the civil rights battle against the racist Democrats. In fact, the racist Democrats declared that they would rather vote
    for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.

    The Republicans started the NAACP in 1909 on Abraham
    Lincoln’s 100th birthday to counter the racist practices of the Democrats.

    Democrats were not in favor of redistribution and big government at the turn of the century. Democratic President Grover Cleveland’s response to a request for federal assistance during a drought in 1880 was a big fat no: “Though the people support the government, the government does not support the people.” It wasn’t until Woodrow Wilson in 1913 that the Democrat Party became the party of “equality” through redistribution.

    Although the word Democrat means one who believes in political or social equality, the position of the Democrats of the time was the exact opposite. The use of this word smells of deception and lies. It’s relevant that 1900 marked the rise of the Progressive movement in the North.

    PBS

    It was during this brief interlude, 1900-1918, that America was completing its rapid shift from an agrarian to an urban society. This caused major anxiety among the country’s predominantly Yankee, Protestant middle-class because it introduced “disturbing” changes in their society. Large corporations and “trusts,” representing materialism and greed, were controlling more and more of the country’s finances. Immigrants from southeastern Europe — “dark-skinned” Italians and peasant Jews from Russia — were flocking to major industrial centers, competing for low wages and settling in the ethnic enclaves of tenement slums. Party bosses manipulated the political ignorance and desperation of the newcomers to advance their own party machines. To the native middle-class, these ills of society seemed to be escalating out of control. In the name of democratic ideals and social justice, progressives made themselves the arbiters of a “new” America in which the ideals of the founding fathers could find a place within the nation’s changing landscape.

    An appropriate tribute would have been, “THIS BUILDING IS DEDICATED TO PUBLIC SERVICE HONORING THE MEMORY OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN”. (Period)

    Somehow I suspect the norther progressives, bent on claiming the mantel of “social justice” (mostly for women) had something to do with this unfortunate and deceptive designation. Dedication and commitment to equality doesn’t translate to dedication to public service. That is a big government message since most public service at the time occurred in the private sector through charity.

  26. Libby says:

    “An appropriate tribute would have been, “THIS BUILDING IS DEDICATED TO PUBLIC SERVICE HONORING THE MEMORY OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN”. (Period)”

    Well, we’ll build you a time machine, and you can take yourself right back to 1905 and give them vintage progressives a piece of your mind!

    Geez.

    • Post Scripts says:

      Libby, I think the ploint has now been made that it was a poor choice of words then and it’s stands today as still a poor choice of words. Apparently you can’t quite bring yourself to admit that part, but oh well, at least you’re not clubbing poor Tina over the head accusing her of biggotry and such because she protested this ill conceived plaque. Oh, and yes, I agree with you about what the plaque should have said…just want to be fair.

  27. Tina says:

    Thanks for the support Jack and I appreciate your sense of fairness but I’d like to correct the record…Libby was responding to what I wrote would have been appropriate words: “THIS BUILDING IS DEDICATED TO PUBLIC SERVICE HONORING THE MEMORY OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN”.

    I don’t blame her a bit for thinking this is trivial. Alone it is trivial, except for the millions who might see it and (having been deceived) believe Lincoln was indeed a member of the Democrat Party. But given the complete lie and revisionist history that claims Democrats have been the champions of equality for blacks and civil rights…it’s not so trivial.

    Entitlement and redistribution has resulted in a one way ticket to a limited, dependent, slave mentality life for too many blacks and other minorities. This is not a road map for equality. It is a caste system.

  28. Chris says:

    Yes, it was a poor choice of words.

    A poor choice of words made *108 years ago.*

    I don’t see what this is supposed to prove. For all the claims of “indoctrination,” I have never met an educated person who didn’t know that Abraham Lincoln was a member of the Republican party.

  29. Peggy says:

    More lies and deceptions uncovered in the must see 2009 video of Obama actually telling the truth about when insurance plan coverage would be dropped or cancelled.

    “Still, despite the president’s attempt to amend earlier campaign promises, the 2009 “fact checks” may ultimately prove embarrassing for the Obama administration.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/this-2009-white-house-video-about-obamas-health-care-vow-might-make-the-president-pretty-uncomfortable-right-now/

  30. Pie Guevara says:

    Re #25 Tina :

    “Chris you’re an indoctrinated baby without much political experience or history from which to draw; your satire is adolescent drivel.”

    That bares repeating, so I did.

  31. Dewey says:

    After reading this I can see why we get things like the LAX shooter

  32. Dewey says:

    The early Democrat Party and republican party were totally different than today. I think we all know the History.

    Then the south is democrat? LOL

    Lincoln struggle with civil rights and went both ways until there was no other option.

    It is funny the koch’s and friends have gathered the racists to try and invoke slavery. The old white racists do not see the ultimate plan is to enslave Americans by class to have Chinese style factories here.

    That new business model is done after the very profitable Chinese slave factory’s and that is the ultimate Tea party goal. Ya see Fred Koch was a founding member of the John birch society. Fred Koch learned the oil biz from Stalin. Stalin also took fred’s oil fields/.

    Tobacco and the Koch’s founded the US tea party around 2002. LOL there is no grassroots about it

  33. Libby says:

    From the American Thinker blog:

    “I have no information about how long the plaque has been in place, but the fact that nobody realized the gravity of the error is damning in and of itself. This is laugh out loud moronic.

    “At the very top of its website home page, NEIU brags that:

    “U.S. News and World Report Ranks Northeastern Among Most Ethnically Diverse Schools

    “In its annual publication of “Best Colleges,” U.S. News & World Report announced that Northeastern Illinois University is one of the most ethnically diverse universities in the nation, a distinction Northeastern has held since 1997.”

    Are you, or Tina, going to stand up and deny the rather baldly drawn inference here? Choosing to re-post it would, in fact, indicate that you concur.

    And I’m not supposed to us the “B” word? Sorry. Such objectionable doings cannot go unchallenged.

    Thus, the damage being done by the fools there is spread among all racial groups, presumably.

  34. Libby says:

    Rats! That last sentence … it goes up with the rest of the quoted post!

  35. Pie Guevara says:

    Re: Lincoln struggle with civil rights and went both ways until there was no other option.

    What a diaper load. More adolescent drivel from another progressive ignoramus. Lincoln struggled with adverse political forces to bring about emancipation and win. He did what he had to do.

    Democrats fought tooth and nail against civil rights for another 100 years until LJB who declared, “I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”

    The rest of Dewey’s juvenile drivel I won’t bother with. Progressives always cry “racist” when they have nothing but lies and half-truths to spew.

  36. Tina says:

    Tea Party is a moniker adopted by grass roots Republicans, Democrats, Independents and interested persons who are fed up with the federal government having too much power and taxing authority. Groups are mostly comprised of local people. There are a few nationwide support organizations that formed after the fact. The individual groups have similar but independent goals that derive from the context of Constitutional liberty, a smaller, less intrusive federal government, and low taxes. Many believe that “TEA” stands for “taxed enough already!” One Texas group has put quite a bit of effort in making sure the voter rolls were clean in their area to ensure that every voters vote counts and fraudulent votes are less likely to happen. Others are focusing on local elections as well as finding ways to influence federal elections.

    This site attempts to prove that the Koch’s started the tea party in 2002…with a screen shot that says “Welcome to the U.S. Tea Party”. The poster of this article is Nathaniel Downes, son of a former state representative of New Hampshire, now living in Seattle Washington. Dewey is in good company here.

    As far as the 2002 US Tea party goes I haven’t found any indication that it is anything more than an internet entreaty to all Americans to get involved if you believe our tax code is too complex and our taxes too high:

    U.S. Tea Party.com is a special project of the members of CSE, and is open to all
    Americans who feel our taxes are too high and our tax code is too complicated.

    There is no attempt to hide the group behind this effort. The Boston Tea party is a well known part of American history. that this organization with similar goals chose the name isn’t at all surprising but it doesn’t prove connection to the movement that began seven years later and resulted in close to a million people (some say more) marching on the mall in DC to kick off the grass roots movement.

    Dewey…get a grip.

  37. Pie Guevara says:

    Too funny, http://www.addictinginfo.org is a misinformation site for brain dead, bigoted, progressive junkies to get high on hate.

    The perfect news and information source for Dewey.

  38. Tina says:

    Libby: “Thus, the damage being done by the fools there is spread among all racial groups, presumably.”

    Thus my opening sentence. You could have saved yourself the trouble.

  39. Dewey says:

    This is from above “abort our white babies”

    So now about the koch’s, The tea party. and racism?

  40. Libby says:

    Tina, if you were trying to get out from under the bigotry charge … well ….

    “Thus, the damage being done by the fools there is spread among all racial groups, presumably.”

    … is from the original, bigoted, American Thinker post, (per #36 “Rats”) insinuating that the verbiage on the plaque was the work of the university, when we have proved that it was not.

    You will not be allowed to say that it was. We can just go on and on and on and on … til hell freezes over … you will not be allowed to lie.

  41. Pie Guevara says:

    Hooo boy, is al-Libby (Know Nothing Party) stretching it or what? Calm down, dear heart. Take your meds.

  42. Tina says:

    Dewey I imagine you hold a similar disdain for Planned Parenthood and the left considering a disproportionate number of black babies are aborted each year?

  43. Tina says:

    Libby: “insinuating that the verbiage on the plaque was the work of the university…”

    I never said it was and I don’t think that was ever the point of the post at AT. The point was that it is deceiving and remains, as the university acknowledges, a point of curiosity and certainly a point of misleading “advertisement”, so to speak.

    Come on Libby. Kids read the word Democrat on the plaque and you don’t believe that 99% of them will think Democrat Party and believe Lincoln was a Democrat? Some of them will be exposed subliminally if they don’t bother to stop, read and consider.

    The university specializes in diversity studies. We know what universities have done with the history of civil rights; they have rewritten or written out historical facts.

  44. Pie Guevara says:

    Re #44 Tina :

    Planned Parenthood = Progressive Eugenics

  45. dewey says:

    Planned parenthood is a healthcare center. less than 3% of what they do is abortion. I have read your old post on how women should not vote. So should women be slaves to a mans ideology of barefoot and pregnant while they secretly cheat?

  46. Libby says:

    “I never said it was and I don’t think that was ever the point of the post at AT.”

    And so we revert to our time-tested rhetorical standby … denial.

    “Some of them will be exposed subliminally if they don’t bother to stop, read and consider.”

    If you’d done so, you never would have re-posted that wildly prejudicial AT piece, and be having me all over your case for it.

  47. Pie Guevara says:

    Speaking of Progressive Eugenics, gun deaths by the unbalanced pales in comparison to lives saved by armed citizens and, moreover, pales in comparison to the mass murder of the unborn and recently born promoted and espoused by progressives.

    With pro-lifer’s like these, who needs pro-deathers?

    Wendy Davis is pro-life, except when it comes to killing babies

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/06/wendy-davis-is-pro-life-except-when-it-comes-to-killing-babies/

    From the Gee Whiz, Its Only Hyperbole! Department —

    Abortion Should Be Mandatory

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2013/11/06/mtv-stargay-activist-dan-savage-darkly-cracks-abortion-should-be-mandato#ixzz2juFQNYNY

    More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/185-0802460-5116314?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=gun%20statisticas

    To borrow and paraphrase the sentiments from and surrounding Stain, a mass-murderer of tens of millions —

    If kill one person you are a murderer. If you slaughter few you are a gun nut. If you advocate and facilitate the murder of millions of innocents, that is a merely a statistic and you are pro-life.

  48. Pie Guevara says:

    Of course the above should have read Stalin, not Stain (even though Stalin is a stain on humanity). I hate it when I miss stuff like that.

  49. Tina says:

    Dewey: ” I have read your old post on how women should not vote.”

    You are either A. Very poor at reading comprehension, B. Delusional, or C. A comrade of our lying President.

    I have never said such a thing. EVER!

  50. Tina says:

    Libby: ““Some of them will be exposed subliminally if they don’t bother to stop, read and consider.”

    And how does that imply that the university put up the plaque?

    You are decidedly confused…or simply prejudiced.

  51. Pie Guevara says:

    Re #47 dewey : “I have read your old post on how women should not vote.”

    I was being facetious you dope.

    Re #47 dewey : “Planned parenthood is a healthcare center. less than 3% of what they do is abortion.”

    That percentage is deceptive, which is Dewey’s and Planned Parenthood’s intent.

    Planned Parenthood is the nation’s largest abortion provider. They average around 300,000 abortions a year. That is one-third of the approximate average of one million abortions performed annually in the United States.

    On average 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States (with time off for holidays). That translates to approximately 680,000 black baby murders per year. Thus, at least 68% (over two thirds) of the one million abortions performed in the United States per year are on black babies. Applying Planned Parenthood’s percentage of the harvest, they execute approximately 227,000 black babies per year.

    Blacks (or African Americans) comprise about 13% of the population. That translates to about 7% of the population being black women of all ages. Let us assume it is not unreasonable to guesstimate that 4% of the population is black women of child bearing age. (I don’t have the time to look up and interpolate all of the census statistical details.) That translates to a pool of approximately 1.27 million black women of child bearing age in the US from which — given their 1/3 cut — Planned Parenthood harvests around 227,000 black babies per anum or 22.7% of all abortions. Sounds like a pretty successful planned racial eugenics program to me.

    On average around 90% of black voters vote for the Democratic Party candidate for President, 90% of 680,000 = 612, 000 Now, as a conservative, do I have trouble with around 612,000 potential Democratic Party voters being snuffed out per year? Yes, I do. Yet, interestingly enough, Progressives don’t. They, in fact, encourage the slaughter of black babies. I guess progressives figure illegal aliens from south of the boarder will pick up the slack.

    Am I advocating banning abortion? No, but it is in bad need of some regulation and changes to the law.

    The killing of one baby is a tragedy, the murder of millions a statistic.

    If a majority of Hispanics voted Republican, Democrats would be lined up at the boarder with torches, hay forks and shovels.

  52. Chris says:

    Tina: “The university specializes in diversity studies. We know what universities have done with the history of civil rights; they have rewritten or written out historical facts.”

    For example? I have taken a few sociology of race classes at Fresno State; none of them were shy about the history of racism within the Democratic party.

    Your assumption seems to be shared by many Republicans, though. Remember when Rand Paul visited Howard College and felt the need to condescend to the majority black student body by asking whether they knew that the founders of the NAACP were Republicans? The crowd responded with a loud “yes.” These are some of the best students in the country, but Paul just assumed he knew more about black history than they did.

    Dewey: “I have read your old post on how women should not vote.”

    Dewey, that post was by a former regular here named OneVike/Gate. He has his own blog now which is about 800 times more hateful than this one. Despite claiming to be a Christian preacher, he lies constantly, and has admitted to me that he believes it is morally acceptable to lie in order to stop the “gay agenda.”

    The article you refer to was actually my first experience at Post Scripts. It was linked by an amused feminist blogger and if I recall merited some of the highest traffic this site’s ever received. Maybe that was the whole point.

    While neither Jack nor Tina wrote that article, neither of them ever said a critical word about it either. Of course we’re all entitled to freedom of speech and thought, but if my friend starts going on about how America would be better off if women didn’t have the right to vote, I would have some serious words with that friend. I think most decent people would. Yet Jack and Tina seemed very reluctant to express either agreement or disagreement with OneVike, and took umbrage to being asked to distance themselves from his views.

    I don’t think it’s fair to attribute OneVike’s views to Jack and Tina, but at the same time I do think it’s fair to note their habit of tolerating (yes, I will use that word) such radical views when they come from the right. They have condemned sexist comments against Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, and other right-wing women (and rightly so), but have no comment when it comes to sexist (or racist, or homophobic) views when they are expressed by people on their side of the aisle.

    Sexism and racism are bad whether perpetuated by Democrats or Republicans.

  53. Chris says:

    Pie Guevara: “Am I advocating banning abortion? No, but it is in bad need of some regulation and changes to the law.”

    What regulations and changes would you propose, Pie? I’m a little confused, because you just spent a couple of comments equating abortion with “murdering babies” and accused Planned Parenthood of “planned eugenics,” so I really don’t understand how you could believe those things and not believe they need to be banned.

    I personally don’t believe that it’s possible to “murder” a being that is biologically incapable of thought. The vast majority of abortions are performed before the third trimester, when the fetus does not yet have a functioning cerebral cortex. I don’t see why we should consider the rights of a human without the capacity for thought more important than the rights of a human with the capacity for thought. Yes, I know that fetuses have the POTENTIAL for that capacity, but they don’t have it yet; the woman carrying the fetus does, so she gets the say over what happens to her body. How is that not fair?

  54. dewey says:

    Reply # 53

    1.Ok So …name calling again good job!

    2. Obviously the author of the women should not vote was forgotten. How Many Names does 1 person use here and which one actually wrote it? Well it was not Pie! Epic fail!

    3. Planned parenthood was one of the biggest healthcare centers for women in the country. The numbers are proportional. Still remains aprox 3% or less of their Business is abortions. My daughters go there for healthcare and not abortions. They can afford the clinic.

    4. Many abortions are preformed to save the life of a mother, many are preformed because a miscarriage is in progress. The color of a person his totally irreverent. I do not look at the world by color.

    5. The decision is not up to a Big government. That is hypocrisy at best. A woman and her husband are the decision makers not BIG GOVERNMENT.

    Again Big Government and the hypocrisy of the Tea party saying corporations should do what ever they want, humans need to follow their rules.

    6. A woman can die from being poisoned by a dying fetus. A husband, the family, or male counterpart is the person who make the decision. Not BIG GOVERNMENT.

    Example: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57550166/parents-slam-irish-abortion-laws-after-woman-dies/

    So no Big Government should dictate any healthcare to a woman every instance is different. The Tea party runs tests cases in the states. VA was going to make a woman who had a miscarriage report to the police for interrogation! Really?

    What next police get to inspect a woman’s uterus in a traffic stop? That is Big Government over reach. tea party hypocrisy.

    Example: http://www.alternet.org/virginia-gop-nominee-attorney-general-would-force-women-report-their-miscarriages-police-or-face-1

    Don’t like that site google that is another well known fact except for Fox viewers.

    Bottom line A woman’s healthcare is none of my business. I am not the supreme grand wizard of another life.

    This whole republican / democrat thing is not a war, Football game, or anything I am interested in.

    I do however not like this tea party’s lies, hate, propaganda, and goal to force all Americans into one ideology. The world laughs at us for these people. I am tired of it.

    You are entitled to your beliefs. You are not entitled to force others to live your beliefs by using a new Form of BIG GOVERNMENT to force it.

    Why do I care? because I have daughters!

  55. Peggy says:

    More than three years ago Mike Enzi, Republican Senator presented a bill to fix the problems coming to light recently with ObamaCare and every Democrat voted against it.

    ——

    Watch: Sen. Mike Enzi Predicted Obamacare Failures Three Years Ago

    “His Democratic colleagues ignored him. Others even mocked him. But, now, congressmen who accused him of fearmongering are holding their tongues, for everything Senator Mike Enzi (R-Wy.) predicted about Obamacare has turned out to be true. Megyn Kelly brought Sen. Enzi on her show Tuesday to list for viewers his completely accurate warnings back in September 2010.”

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2013/11/06/watch-mike-enzi-predicted-obamacare-failures-three-years-ago-n1739809

    And the count is now over 4.3 million individuals who have lost their health coverage. Again don’t know if that also includes family members or just the person the cancellation notice was sent to.

    • Post Scripts says:

      Excellent find Peggy – it has to make the most ardent supporter of Obama’s question what he really wanted to accomplish with this healthcare change? They knew it was no good, that it had fatal flaws and they pushed it anyway? There’s more to this than meets the eye.

  56. Pie Guevara says:

    Re Myself in #53 Pie Guevara :

    “Re #47 dewey : “I have read your old post on how women should not vote.”

    I was being facetious you dope.”

    Come to think of it, I don’t recall specifically making a comment about cancelling women’s suffrage in any post. I easily could have. I think I might have mentioned that maybe morons (like Dewey) should not be allowed to vote somewhere. My memory is not clear on the matter.

    In any case, any comments that may have been made by me about whomever should be allowed to vote were, by default, factitious.

    People (men and women and all those alternate sexes that get so much attention these days) who do not understand the term “facetious” should not be allowed to vote.

  57. dewey says:

    LOL The name calling was to the words “You dope”

    If one is going to suggest who should vote than maybe comprehension of the statement “you dope” should be included.

    May I suggest that the hostility is that a reply and responsibility for the post was taken under the wrong sock account. How many are the same person?

    Also no one said it was a comment…It was a post

    and the definition of the word “facetious” does not come into play.

    It would be pretty obvious name calling would be “You dope”

    Enzi is a proven liar, I guess there is no interest in facts just the game of Propaganda?

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/9-11-victims-fume-sen-mike-enzi-gop-circulate-pack-lies-bid-sink-zadroga-health-bill-article-1.469227

    So exactly which section of the bill is the subject. have ya read it? NO!

  58. Peggy says:

    I’m not an Enzi fan either, but his speaking the truth on the Senate floor outlining a fix to the very same problems written into ObamaCare is a fact, period. Trying to discredited him for a completely unrelated issue is irrelevant.

    Seeing Enzi with ones own eyes present the facts back in 2010 makes a fool of anyone today saying they didn’t know what was written into the law. And to have every Democrat vote against Enzi’s bill in 2010 to fix the same problems hitting us today makes them even bigger fools and those who believe them deserving of what they get.

  59. Peggy says:

    Thanks to ObamaCare a man is choosing to die from cancer to save his family from financial ruin.

    ——

    Obamacare nixes cancer patient’s insurance; new plan is so expensive he’s decided to die in peace:

    “This is probably the most heart breaking story from the Obamacare debacle yet. A South Carolina man was diagnosed with cancer and his old insurance was providing him with the doctors and treatment he needed, but that insurance has been cancelled because Obamacare regulations. His new options are so expensive that he’s decided to give up and “let nature take its course” rather than put his family under the financial strain of paying for the new insurance that Obamacare requires.”

    Here’s the video:
    http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/66349125661/obamacare-nixes-cancer-patients-insurance-new-plan-is

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