by Jack Lee
In the past days, weeks and months we’ve been witness to an unfolding of unlikely events within the democratic party; events that threaten an election disaster for them in 2014. Obama’s leadership has been questioned by even bedrock democrats over his corporate bailouts, continuation of Guantanamo, a burgeoning deficit, his illusive foreign policy, those Putin put downs, the Snowden affair, Benghazi bungling, the rampant spying on US citizens by the NSA and even his crown jewel, intended to be his legacy, ObamaCare.
By every measure democrats up for election were losing by their own devices. On the other hand the republicans were merely innocent bystanders, having contributed next to nothing, but avoided controversy, save for sequestration which was handled poorly.
Symptomatic of bad things to come has been a steady exodus of democrat voters that are re-registering as independents or declined to state. It should be noted that republicans have seen some of their numbers diminish too, but for entirely different reasons. In the latter case ex-pats polled said they still embrace the GOP planks, but it’s been their party’s lack of conviction to those ideals and the political ineptitude that caused them to leave disillusioned and frustrated. Almost to a man, they’re saying we’re trying to send a message to their GOP leadership that they need to follow through on our core values and stand firm against growing the deficit.
Despite the internal GOP setbacks, the democrat setbacks have been much greater and their failures seemed destined to hand a victory to the weak knee’d republicans in 2014. All the GOP had to do is be quiet. Let the democrats continue on their path to self destruction and the 2014 elections would be theirs for the taking.
Yes, things looked so good it would take an almost impossible series of foot shooting events to stop that which was all but inevitable. For example, it would take the Speaker of the House, John Boehner, to sell out party principles and side with the democrats on growing the 2014 budget.
He would have to do something absurd like publicly insult the Tea Party republicans and tell them they have lost all credibility and do it in such a way they would turn on him.
Then we would have to have a monumental internal fight to cause a serious divide within the GOP. It would have to spark heated exchanges between the Establishment Republicans and the Tea Party faithful.
Indeed, these would be highly unlikely events, and they are almost preposterous to even consider… yet here we are.
Today and yesterday, Speaker Boehner called conservative opposition to the bloated budget “ridiculous” and accused certain right-wing groups like the Tea Party of “using the American people.” He continued his rant, “I think they’re pushing our members in places where they don’t want to be. And frankly, I just think that they’ve lost all credibility.” Referring of course to the Tea Party.
Congressman Tom McClintock expressed the his ire and that of many House republicans, when he wrote today, “The great irony of the Republican decision to bust the budget sequester is that barely two months ago, congressional roles were reversed….Sixty-three billion dollars of new spending – and therefore new taxes in some form – is not a small amount of money. It averages about $570 of added burdens for every family in America.”
The bipartisan budget that has divided the GOP would set funding levels for the next two years. (The House voted it in last night.) The bill would replace parts of sequestration, but effectively increase federal spending by $63 billion! By funding the government into 2015, they thought it would help avoid future fights leading to government shutdowns. McClintock is a Tea Party Republican.
Conservative groups, such as Heritage Action for America, The Club for Growth, FreedomWorks and others, immediately opposed the plan when it was released.
Well, there goes a sure thing for winning in 2014. You just can’t make this stuff up folks, it’s too incredible.
Jack your analysis is right on the money. I’m not so sure that this event makes much difference. lets face it the country will go down the same path for another three years, even if Republicans keep the House and gain control of the Senate. Obama sits there like an unmovable behemoth, plotting to do by EXECUTIVE ORDER, anything he can. He would never sigh anything passed by congress that moved this country back toward sane policy. Unless there is an epiphany or event directed by God Himself, nothing of substance will turn our way over the next three years.
Boehner may be publicly (and stupidly) denying the most powerful coalition he has as well as the terrible state of the country but I think he knows the shift away from his leadership has already begun.
Damage done by Obama/Reid/Pelosi is being personally experienced by the citizens at large. Democrats have a big fight for the next presidential candidate coming their way and it will begin early. Their brand, I believe, has been badly damaged.
But anything can happen next year and the two after that. Hang on, the ride will be bumpy!
I left the republican party because of Boehner.
Re #2 Toby : “I left the republican party because of Boehner.”
I remain in the Republican party to fight
Boehners.
Good for Beohner for finally standing up to the radical Tea Party wing of the party. It took him long enough–the guy’s obviously more of a moderate Republican, but he’s established quite the reputation as a willing tool of the Tea Party over the last few years. Of course the Tea Party will attack him for this, but it can only help him with everyone else–the Tea Party is losing approval even faster than the GOP!
http://www.people-press.org/2013/10/16/tea-partys-image-turns-more-negative/
You are never going to win people over if you keep telling yourselves that the problem is that the GOP isn’t conservative *enough.* Mitt Romney’s most conservative moment in the last election cycle was his “47%” remarks. Moderates knew it was a mistake, but here on this site, the reaction was that Romney was right and that he should “double down” on his comments. How did that turn out? Are you willing to admit you were wrong then? Do you really think a more conservative candidate, like Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachmann, would have won against Obama?
Do you really think Boehner’s compromise is going to stop Tea Party members and supporters from voting for the Republican candidate over the Democrat?
You have to get out of this ideological bubble if you want to have a chance of winning. Boehner’s choice to compromise in a bipartisan fashion isn’t only good for America, it’s good for the future of the Republican party.
Chris: “…the Tea Party is losing approval even faster than the GOP!”
The progressive’s began smearing the Tea Party before anyone knew what they were about. Why? Because of the million or so of them that marched on Washington! It scared the crap out of the progressive left radicals that have taken hold of the Democrat Party.
Many of these are the extremist trouble makers of the sixties, true Marxists, who believe in “fundamentally transforming” our country into a model that’s more attuned to Castro or Chavez than to Adams or Jefferson.
The Democrat Party is losing favor even faster than the GOP according to statistics about people leaving both parties. (Recently posted by Jack)
I’m curios, Chris, what do you think is radical about the Tea Party?
“Moderates knew it was a mistake, but here on this site, the reaction was that Romney was right and that he should “double down” on his comments.”
Double down? I don’t recall anyone saying that.
I do recall attempting to put the remark into proper context since it was widely misinterpreted and exploited.
I think any candidate the Democrats put up will be more of the same, all of them pretending to be moderate. After the mess the Democrats have made of this country it will be amazing if they win much of anything in the next two elections. If more of these radicals do it won’t be by representing themselves honestly. The current president is the perfect icon for the deceptive, manipulative, controlling radicals of the party.
Commentary Magazine:
You don’t have a clue about what is good for the Republican Party because you base your opinion on the ideals of the radical Democrats you support. Neither one is good for the American people as the last five years demonstrate.
Pie that’s the position I have taken too. I will stay the course and fight within the party for the very heart of it…just as I fight for the heart of America.
You can always depend on the shallow, smug, and giggling progressives like Chris to identify the “ideological bubble” and declare victory in the face of the political, economic, and policy disaster the Democrats now own. We will see. If these liberal fascists win, America and the constitution loses.
I think yours is an apt analysis, Jack.
Re #5 Tina “The progressive’s began smearing the Tea Party before anyone knew what they were about. Why? Because of the million or so of them that marched on Washington! It scared the crap out of the progressive left radicals that have taken hold of the Democrat Party.”
The fear from Chris The Punk is palpable.
Like Chris The Punk, Media Natters declares victory —
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/media-matters-declares-victory-over-fox-news
Barack Obama is just an adult version of his youth years as Barry Soetoero.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/11/mia-marie-pope-barry-soetoero-portrayed-foreigner/
Pie, the “Truth Revolt” piece effectively admits that Media Matters, like all radical leftist rags, exist for the single purpose of “discrediting” (DESTROYING) the competition. The cowardly people behind these rags can’t compete honestly and fairly in the arena of ideas because they stand firmly in opposition to the ideals of this nation, freedom; equal rights (As opposed to special rights); property rights; equality of opportunity; individual responsibility; representative government; charity (As opposed to redistribution); and defense of the nation are a few I can think of off the top of my head.
This radical group has been on a mission for decades to “fundamentally transform” the United States, imposing upon it a foreign set of ideals. Incredibly they simultaneously pretend to be benign rather than a vicious, destructive cancer to our republic. They are like wolves at the gate ready to devour anyone standing in the way…like predators projecting kindness and caring while maintaining an evil intent.
The nation is waking up to their deceptions. Will it be in time?
Obama came wrapped in a pretense of honesty and good intention…waving the flag and talking unity. He is revealed as a liar and divider of men, a man committed to redistribution and to bringing this nation to it’s knees. The cadre of revolutionaries that stand behind him hide in the shadows. when they emerge they wear a mask of respectability. But they represent the power of this movement. They must all be exposed for the undermining, destructive agents they are…and defeated.
The circumstances are dire. We have no other choice.
Peggy if this lady is for real her life is toast. If she is real god bless her for her willingness to speak out.
Or…is she a tool of the left, planted to make the right sound like a bunch of crazed loons? The left does like to create caricatures as a means of perpetrating the “discrediting” of their opposition. Anyone can create a website or blog and post whatever they like.
There is one problem with their tactics. “Barry” has gone too far, too fast and has exposed the true intent of the movement. The incidentals of his youth are minor compared to the destruction of the republic he and his kind have wrought and intend.
Tina, we’ll never know what is in this woman heart except to take her at her word as to why she’s now telling of her experience with Barry while they were both in Hawaii.
I agree, her life is now in grave danger, but she said she’s willing to die if she has to for her experiences to be known by others.
I looked up the Manning Report and it seems to be a conservative radio/media program. And Dr. Manning is a pastor in Harlem. Both look legit to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_David_Manning
http://atlah.org/the-manning-report-live-and-247-encore-presentations/
Tina: “Double down? I don’t recall anyone saying that.”
Jack: “I agree with them that Romney should own this video and double down.”
http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2012/09/18/romney-outed-telling-the/#sthash.P4eR5Bfs.dpuf
Tina: “I do recall attempting to put the remark into proper context since it was widely misinterpreted and exploited.”
No, it was not “widely misinterpreted.” It didn’t need to be; Romney insulted nearly half of America–specifically, the half that is too poor to pay income taxes–and called them all irresponsible people whom he could never convince to take care of their lives. Those were his words. There is no reason to “misinterpret” such a remark; it is atrocious, classist nonsense as is.
It’s also a message that has become the heart and soul of the conservative movement.
That is why you lost in 2012. If you would like to win again, you have to abandon this sneering contempt for the poor that has come to characterize your party. Unfortunately for everyone, that doesn’t seem likely to happen any time soon. Did you read the editorial in the NY Post poo-pooing the Times’ recent expose on homeless youth? It might as well have been titled “Are There No Workhouses?”
What I find so radical about the Tea Party is not their small government (when it’s convenient for them) stance, their belief in lowering our historically low tax rates, their persecution complex…it’s the complete lack of empathy. This is what ultimately turned off my mother, who dragged me to a Tea Party event when it first started up. She spent a few months listening to Hannity, Rush and the like before realizing that not only did they not offer any good solutions for people like her, but that they actively disparaged people like her. And yes, when you’re telling children to stop complaining about lack of food during the summer because you can always go dumpster diving, you lose any benefit of the doubt.
Peggy: “I looked up the Manning Report and it seems to be a conservative radio/media program. And Dr. Manning is a pastor in Harlem. Both look legit to me.”
Peggy, I read the Wikipedia page you linked to. Just so everyone is clear, this is the kind of person that Peggy thinks is “legit:”
Manning came to public attention during the 2008 presidential election after ATLAH posted several sermons of his that were harshly critical of Democratic candidate Barack Obama on YouTube.[11][12] Among other accusations, he called Obama’s mother “white trash” for becoming pregnant by a black man out of wedlock,[13] an issue he discussed during a press conference at the National Press Club on December 8, 2008.[14]
“It is common knowledge that African men, coming from the continent of Africa—especially for the first time—do diligently seek out white women to have sexual intercourse with. Generally the most noble of white society choose not to intercourse sexually with these men. So it’s usually the trashier ones who make their determinations that they’re going to have sex.”[14]
Manning defended his sermons in an interview on Fox News, saying that “we also have to talk about his character.”[15] The sermons drew the attention of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service objecting to alleged violations of laws granting tax-free status to churches on condition that they refrain from certain forms of political activity.[5]
Manning has continued his criticisms of Obama after the election, comparing him to Hitler or Satan and frequently calling him a criminal and “long-legged mack daddy”. He produced a video in summer 2009 in which he predicted that there would be a white backlash against Obama, complete with riots,[16] and attended one of the first “birther” events.[17] In an interview with Israeli radio station Arutz Sheva, Manning asserted that Obama had chosen to befriend Muslims instead of Jews; he also offered praise of Meir Kahane.[18]
In responding to a comment by Bill O’Reilly, a commentator on Fox News Channel, calling birther lawyer Orly Taitz a “nut”, he and Taitz organized a protest outside Fox News headquarters in New York City in November 2009, which drew an estimated 15 to 20 attendees.[19]
In May 2010, Manning staged a show trial of Barack Obama at his ATLAH church in Harlem for wire fraud, with Manning acting as prosecutor.[20] Although the treason and sedition charges had been deleted from consideration at the trial, Manning expressed the opinion that Obama should be hanged.[21]”
Tina: “Or…is she a tool of the left, planted to make the right sound like a bunch of crazed loons?”
Tina, Peggy just told you that she considers a self-hating black birther to be a “legit” source of information. Do you really think your party needs *help* sounding like a bunch of crazed loons?
Chris: “It’s also a message that has become the heart and soul of the conservative movement.”
What nonsense. the heart and soul of the conservative movement are freedom, personal responsibility, limited government, and free market capitalism.
“That is why you lost in 2012.”
If so we lost for a really stupid reason. I’m sure Romney’s inside polling told him that there was a certain segment of the population that would NEVER consider voting for him. Obama had such a list as well. Romney was talking to people who supported him and telling them the truth about those votes. The other truth is that a lot of the people he was talking about are not responsible for their own lives. That doesn’t mean cause of their behavior is all theirs. Liberal policies have given them little reason to take personal responsibility as contributing members of society. If that reality is insulting maybe it’s time to rethink how we do things in this nation.
“…you have to abandon this sneering contempt for the poor”
If there was any sneering contempt involved, and I don’t believe that is what Romney felt at all, it would be for the conditions in our government and society that have brought us to this sad state of affairs. The sheer numbers of American citizens in jail or on social assistance who are able bodied and don’t work is much too high. the fact that they are unprepared to meet the responsibilities of adult citizens is a damn crime! Progressive ideals, progressive policies and programs and progressive notions that right and wrong are old fashioned concepts are the cause of this miserable condition. Progressive notions of education have also been a disaster. What I find incredible is that after decades of progressives purposely changing social mores, education, government, and religion we now find our selves in the worst mess since all of their polices were enacted. Your party makes this mess and then acts like innocent bystanders and have the absolute gall to object when people start to point out where those policies have taken us.
I suggest that Democrats have no respect for the poor. You approach their problems by throwing money their way (buying votes). You treat them as if they were incapable and stupid. You have made sure their schools are inferior and done nothing to correct the situation…in fact all of the politically correct barriers you’ve constructed make it impossible to correct the situation. One person has described it as the soft bigotry of low expectations. (Southern racists had this attitude; they were up front about it.)
“it’s the complete lack of empathy.”
You wouldn’t know real empathy if it slapped you up side the head and introduced itself!
“She spent a few months listening to Hannity, Rush and the like before realizing that not only did they not offer any good solutions for people like her, but that they actively disparaged people like her.”
That’s too bad. Rush and Hannity do talk to people all of the time about what they can do to help themselves and improve their own lives. They both have shared personal stories about being without a job and means of support. They have both had callers who call to share how they were able to lift themselves out of poverty BECAUSE of the encouragement and hope these talk show hosts gave them.
I don’t know your mothers circumstances and I certainly have no interest in making her feel bad. I am certain that neither Rush nor Hannity would treat your mother or her circumstances with the contempt or disparage her in any way.
As for that quote, my gosh Chris, lighten up. You are so certain that Rush is a heartless b’tard that you cannot even appreciate his feelings of astonishment. Think about it! We are (or were) the most prosperous nation on earth. We have all of the infrastructure for education in place. We offer free education to the twelfth grade. We have grants for higher education. We have vocational training schools. We throw millions of dollars into social programs every year. And yet we have a society in which people actually dumpster dive…as a lifestyle…and homeless advocates tell them to! They beg and they dumpster dive rather than getting some training and getting a job.
The latest brouhaha was about schools being closed for the summer and how were kids going to get fed (Cause the taxpayer now feeds them breakfast lunch and dinner in some school districts) That was the story he was remarking about with such incredulity! And you think the point is to disrespect “the poor”…sorry, just the opposite!
I’ve never asked you why your father didn’t contribute to your upbringing. And I don’t expect you to explain anything. As I said, I don’t know all of the circumstances of your life or your mothers life.
But I do think that most people are more capable than they give themselves credit for being. I do think that with a little effort and perhaps some training there are ways to better one’s circumstances. Unfortunately the liberal message behind the money is very negative. Unfortunately at the moment leftist polices for recovery are putting this nation in grave danger and pushing us close to the brink. There isn’t much hope in terms of opportunity because our economic situation is terrible. And all because Democrats needing universal healthcare was more important than the overall economy. If anything tells you they have no respect for the poor this should. they worked you up so you would hat e the rich (We are the 99%)…they ran against Romney who would have created a better economy for everyone…and they made their number one priority establishing a healthcare system that will keep people even more dependent and needy! This law is so terrible they hoped the people would cry out for single payer…that was the goal.
And this version of what Rush said: “…when you’re telling children to stop complaining about lack of food during the summer because you can always go dumpster diving,” is so convoluted its hysterical.
Our readers should read Rush’s response to Jim McDermotts House floor speech taking Rush on. Here’s the most important paragraph:
Now you can be offended by Rush joke expressing incredulity if you want to but you will have to completely ignore the fact that these were SERIOUS ideas expressed by liberals originally!
Rush DOES NOT disparage people like your mother.
Rush expresses incredulity, using humor, at the solutions put forth by the left!
Regarding your objections to Dr. Manning I have only two questions since you voted for and support Barack Obama.
What do you think about Pastor Jeremiah Wright?
Good Reads:
And what do you think about the Black Liberation Theology Barack Obama supported as he sat in the pews over a period of twenty years?
Discover The Networks:
Fundamental transformations anyone?
Leadership that encourages division, class envy, and constantly strives and manipulates for redistribution.
Leadership that attacks and oppresses banks industry.
You voted for this guy and you don’t think of yourself as a loon? Why not?
I don’t appreciate the calls for “a hanging”…at the same time I don’t appreciate the reverse racism, the Marxist roots, or the fundamental transformation that are the hallmarks of the Obama presidency. I don’t appreciate the fact that Obama deceived the American people into believing he wanted to be President when in fact he wanted to establish himself as a dictator basically by achieving a covert coup. I believe he sees himself as a Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro figure and has found it a little more difficult that he anticipated.
I”m not crazy about the way Dr. Manning expresses himself IF how you have represented him is accurate. However, maybe Dr. Manning knows something, having come out of Harlem, that you (and I) don’t know. I don’t think his thoughts are any different that the rantings of Jeremiah Wright or for that matter Bill Ayers!
There is a fine line between the GOP and the DEMs they are all bought out. The Dems have a little social responsibility left. The Tea Party has chased out all responsible Republicans.
A Grass Roots org runs on their own not take over the GOP and Dem parties. It is a scam for fascism.
There are only 2 conclusions to be made on the misinformation.
1- Blatant lying
2-Ignorance by Brainwash
“continuation of Guantanamo”
Our for Profit Military Industrial Complex pays to keep it open by GOP Politician – Obama tried to close it and the GOP blocked the closing of an illegal prison on foreign soil so they do not have to adhere to the laws of the USA.
Bush was warned waterboarding was illegal and did so anyway.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/14/terrorism.usa
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/DOJ/story?id=3814076&page=1
There are more crimes than this and all presidential admins have to cover it up, Why? because the USA has a for profit military that acted like thugs for Oil as usual
Bush is a war criminal – Obama has now given immunity to him for his war crimes.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/31/obama-justice-department-immunity-bush-cia-torturer
These men are threatened by the military and although Bush enjoyed the illegal war cause his daddy’s Carlyle group benefited from the patriot Act The sitting Pres made an attempt to close it.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/03/house-gop-defense-bill-blocks-guantanamo-closing/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/03/house-republican-guantanamo_n_3379328.html
The deficit caused by the crash of the economy, 2 wars on a credit card, tax cuts during war, ate up the Clinton surplus and put the USA in a free fall losing 750,000 jobs per month. Another plus for trickle down which means trickle out of the country.
After Bush put in the Patriot act and NDAA No politician can get rid of it because the Military Industrial Complex has complete control and major profits off the spying of US citizens.
Tea Party did not join the rest of us fighting against these acts. In fact they are for the privatization of everything which has put us in the position where profits and corporations have rights and US Citizens are losing theirs.
We live in a fascist country. Privatization is the key to the major military problems. They are about profit not protecting US citizens. They killed thousands for profit in Iraq an illegal war.
Furthermore the GOP has blocked any and every bill to help the economy. All they do is write more tax cuts for the Billionaires who then hoard the money in offshore accounts.
Bottom line Saddam had blocked out USA Oil Companies for years and that was an illegal Oil War and they wanted to privatize Iraq’s Oil fields they were blocked out of.
Instead they got deals
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?_r=0
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/07/09/saddam-list-preferred-companies/
Americans know the truth, The heritage Foundation funded mostly by Koch’s are the very reason that crappy budget came to pass the house.
Ted Cruz and the Tea Party were to be shut down.
The Congressional Politicians even admit they needed to shut down another hurtful gov shutdown for Tea Party fundraising.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/ted-cruz-repeal-obamacare_n_4321125.html
Tea Party an enemy of the USA, has now said they will take over the GOP completely, their elected write laws taking away the rights of citizens far worse than the Fed Gov, The Tea Party will be stopped. Again a grass roots org does not threaten citizens, takeover other parties and threaten to overthrow the government for the Koch Bpyz and friends.
Bottom line Citizens United has completely bought out all Politicians and real citizens will work to get the money out much which is Chinese.
You want jobs? Then we need to open up our factories, pay a living wage and bring back America.
If China went to war with us right now, we would not have any products. Especially Computers, TV’s, Phones and if they blocked the waters of Asia we could not get any from any of those countries.
Sorry Tea Party You are a major problem in America today. America is a place where multicultural people get along. By the way Jesus was an Arab and St Nick was Greek not white.
What is the Koch bros #1 Biz? OIL – How about the oil companies pay for their Oil War? No tea party says give them tax cuts
#1 Problem Citizens United. We will amend the Constitution and get the money out. tea Party can fight us on it but in the end we will stop it.
Love dewp
Tina: “What do you think about Pastor Jeremiah Wright?”
An irrelevant question, since I never claimed Pastor Jeremiah Wright was a legitimate source of information.
Thanks Tina for responding as I was going to about Jeremiah Wright being Obama’s “minister.”
While I don’t agree with everything Dr. Manning may have said or did say I see no difference between him and J. Wright. The difference comes in those who willingly sat in the pew year after year and lied about what he heard.
Our Liar-in-Chief sits in our oval office after following a man who cursed and damned our country to hell. He heard what Wright said and has set out to accomplish its destruction by every means possible to him.
I’m very thankful there are so many, and more growing almost every day, who oppose Obama and his agenda. The Black coalition in Florida who have filed impeachment papers and the Black LA state senator who became a republican are just a couple who come to mind.
Chris: “An irrelevant question, since I never claimed Pastor Jeremiah Wright was a legitimate source of information.”
You voted for a man who OBVIOUSLY thought he was.
OMG same conspiracies all day long. Hate Obama we get it. he is the President, Move on
Dewey: “The Tea Party has chased out all responsible Republicans.”
Name those you think are “responsible” Republicans, please.
“their elected write laws taking away the rights of citizens”
What is an “elected write law”?
“Then we need to open up our factories”
Who is “we” and how would you do it?
“Sorry Tea Party You are a major problem in America today.”
What power do they have that you don’t also enjoy?
“America is a place where multicultural people get along.”
No kidding? Both Jack and I come from mixed families…you got a problem with that? We support the Tea Party too.
That’s another form of “diversity” that you apparently do not recognize…or their right to peacefully assemble and petition their government.
” By the way Jesus was an Arab and St Nick was Greek not white.”
Sorry pal but Jesus was Hebrew. And Santa Claus has its origins in various countries in Europe
Greeks are Caucasian…as are “white” Americans.
What’s with all of the attention on race, dude?
“We will amend the Constitution and get the money out.”
How will your amendment read. What words will you use to “get the money out”?
Tina: “You voted for a man who OBVIOUSLY thought he was.”
Key word there being “thought.” What you always leave out is that Obama denounced, in very harsh terms, Wright’s extremist views before he was ever elected.
But you’re engaging in deflection and guilt by association. If I had cited Jeremiah Wright you’d have a point. But you’re just trying to shift focus off of the tendency of Peggy and other commenters here of trusting the most ridiculous conspiracy theorists as “legit” sources of information. You guys will believe anything, no matter how ridiculous, if it supports your narrative. At least you expressed some skepticism over Peggy’s source, but even then you tempered it with ANOTHER conspiracy theory that the crazy birther lady might be a liberal plant, even though you know that your party has crazy birther ladies to spare. Apparently, Peggy is one of them.
Peggy: “While I don’t agree with everything Dr. Manning may have said or did say I see no difference between him and J. Wright.”
So you’re saying that you no longer find Dr. Manning to be “legit,” Peggy? How does that change your previous evaluation of his claims that Obama was a crack-smoking foreigner in college?
Chris: “What you always leave out is that Obama denounced, in very harsh terms, Wright’s extremist views before he was ever elected.”
And you bought it. His record since shows the denunciation was a political move and not heartfelt.
“But you’re engaging in deflection and guilt by association.”
As are you. It’s a game you love to play. it’s a game you bring to this blog on a regular basis.
The left is the author of “crazy birther” lady or gentleman. You assume your characterization has been accepted and embraced as clever or even smart. Actually it is a broad exaggeration about many people who simply express curiosity about the very secretive Barack Hussein Obama and his questionable seemingly invented past.
You are all so full of yourselves…good grief! Sorry Dude, you are not the last word in the universe and you are not without crazies, including the man at the top, IMHO, yourselves.
Your party has aligned with people of the caliber of Bill Ayers and Angela Davis…rewarding radicals and criminals of the sixties “revolution” with high paying hot shot jobs at the nations universities. You support a party that defended the womanizer-in-chief, Bill Clinton. All of the women that make a big deal about Republican men willingly become slavish to men like Bill Clinton. Astounding!
The point being so what? We are all human beings with failings. Forget the GOP. Tell me why, after five years of failed progressive policy, anyone should or would want to back or support a Democrat progressive again?
Dewey you are the most prolific poster of conspiracy theories on Post Scripts. How about you move on!
Bottom line — “Deal” aside, Boehner committed a sin no Rat bastard would ever commit. Attacking his own. He could have been magnanimous. He could have been conciliatory. He is no leader. He feeds the opposition. The opposition will ravage him at every opportunity and now maybe even members of his own party. I am disgusted.
“Sorry pal but Jesus was Hebrew.”
Tina … I think Dewey was referring to the fact that Arabs and Jews are both Semites, which makes the idea of an anti-semitic Arab … interesting.
Dewey … Let’s see some paragraphs. The second sentence expands the meaning of the first … that sort of thing.
Oh, fer heaven’s sake, people! I just went onto truthrevolt.org … and had a nice giggle. What do you suppose an “Occupy-Centric Interior Designer” is?
You guys are losin’ it … you really are.
Libby, I just think it’s creative retailing…they play both sides. No big.
“… who simply express curiosity about the very secretive Barack Hussein Obama and his questionable seemingly invented past.”
As I said … losing it. No, lost it, actually.
Secretive? I think that if Barry had any of those McCain’s staff, or that legion of Rovian organizations, would have turned them up way back when. The unhappy fact is that all this birther (and it is craziness) only come on after the O-man had survived the primaries and a general election and was, alas, a done deal. And it come up among people who simply could not stick it … absolutely could not … still can’t.
And you must, Tina. You must say some “Ohms” and cultivate acceptance of that which you cannot change. You’ll be on OCD meds before much longer.