by Jack Lee
There is absolutely no doubt in the minds of many voters that Roy Obama is a radical muslim and because he is, he is also a failed Kenyan politician.
The people of Kenya didn’t want any part of this trouble-maker and they gave him the boot. Barack Obama’s older brother Abongo “Roy” Obama is a Luo activist and a militant Muslim who argues that the black man must “liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture.”
Despite his political affiliations and anti-white bigotry, Barack Obama welcomed his militant Muslim brother to the White House after his inauguration.
The parental guidance that shaped Roy’s radical belief’s no doubt played a strong role in shaping Barack’s or so it would seem from the book he wrote. Did you know this when you voted for him and would it have made any difference? Probably not (sigh) and unfortunately we’ve got 1016 days to endure before he’s gone.
Welcome to the truth Jack. I have been yelling from the top of the roof tops about him being a Muslim since before he was elected the first time.
Many, even many of those on my side of the isle plus many that attend church with me have condemned me for my extreme attitude.
Well, 6 years later the vast majority of those have come to realize I was right.
I don’t pat myself on the back, nor do I mean to insult those who have taken so long to realize that which was what was so easy to see.
The question that needs to be asked is, when will the Republican establishment do what is right and stand up to him instead of cowering for fear of being called racist?
By the way, check out this story from the Christian Post about the United states being the chief facilitator of the persecution of Christians around the world today. It goes right inline with your article here.
World Watch List
Lions, and tigers, and bears! Oh, my!
Jack, if you were trying to be sardonic, it seemingly did not work.
If there is “stunning proof”, you failed to mention it.
Libs, it’s not sardonic, it was the truth. By his own words Roy admits he’s a radical Muslim and a bigot. It was stunning only in the sense that his half brother Barack is so opposite, right? Sure, Barack is a capitalist, a Christian and supporter of all those things radical Muslims oppose, or don’t you agree? Stunning…that he would invite this guy to the White House, don’t you think? He doesn’t seem to have a relationship with him. Just thought it was weird.
“America” by D Souzas coming out July 4th.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/01/27/watch-trailer-indicted-conservative-dinesh-dsouzas-still-releasing-new-anti-liberal-film
Yer kidding me. You were serious?
You don’t have any embarrassingly liberal relatives? In-breeding is not in the best interests of the species, you know.
I mean, really, ain’t that kinda stupid, to suppose that your sibling’s … anything … dictates your own?
Jack: “Libs, it’s not sardonic, it was the truth. By his own words Roy admits he’s a radical Muslim”
She’s referring to the title, which seems designed to poke liberals in the side by playing on the “Obama is a secret Muslim” thing. A noble effort, and I could even laugh along, if it weren’t for the fact that your first commenter–an evangelical preacher, no less–actually believes that Barack Obama, not Roy Obama, is a secret Muslim determined to bring about Sharia law here in the U.S. of A. I could even laugh if you rejected Gate’s bigoted delusions, but you never have, and I doubt you ever will.
This should be funny, but instead it just shows that even Republicans who are not themselves extremists are still more than happy to act as enablers to those who are.
Chris, apparently you are unable to find any links to say Roy Obama is a muslim? Funny, I found dozens of sites. Check this out: “Accused: Malik Obama is accused of being a wife beater and seducing the newest of his estimated 12 wives while she was a 17-year-old schoolgirl
Shy and softly-spoken, Sheila, 20, says: ‘At first he was good, after he started speaking to me at the mosque. But he has changed. Marrying him has been the biggest mistake of my life. He beats me, but mostly he’s just nasty and quarrelsome.’
Mary, 36, whose husband died from malaria soon after she gave birth to Sheila, can barely contain her fury. ‘He abuses my daughter,’ she tells me. ‘He is a bad old man. She was a child at school. There was no negotiation with me.
‘He made a secret plan to take her away and gave her 3,000 shillings [about £24] to get her to marry him. She’s a young girl — she was confused. I just don’t like that man.’
Sheila, who has an 18-month-old daughter by Obama called Hafifa, had spent the past two years living with three of Malik’s other wives at the ‘Barack H Obama Foundation rest and relaxation centre’ — a restaurant complex built by her husband to profit from the visitors attracted to the area by his links to his brother.
Nor is Sheila the only one of Malik’s wives to accuse him of beating her.
Hafsa Abwanda, now 33, also married the politician as a teenager, but escaped in 2008 after five years of marriage, saying he beat her and her ‘co-wives’, of whom she says she saw at least 12 come and go over the years.
Before Hafsa fled her miserable marriage to live with relatives, she had a son with Malik, who she took with her when she left. ‘He is a bad man and I don’t want to ever see him again,’ she says.
With Islam allowing only four wives, former wives and friends say Malik flouts this rule by ‘rotating’ his spouses out to other properties so he lives with only the maximum number at any one time.
Fabulously rich by Kenyan standards, Malik is nevertheless careful with his money.
‘He is a jealous and selfish man. He’s a rich man, but he’s mean with money and time. He won’t even give you a lift and just drives past alone when you wave’
– Respected elder Vitalis Akeche Ogombe
He pays his staff at the Obama Foundation less than £5 a week — without breakfast, lunch or dinner — and his workers spoke openly about their dislike for their boss with the famous name.
‘He doesn’t give a damn about other people,’ one of his employees told me. ‘We all have wives and children and he doesn’t pay us enough to feed them. But he’s happy to give young women money to come and live with him here.’
What’s more, Vitalis Akeche Ogombe, 63, one of the most respected elders in Kogelo, tells me Malik seethes with resentment that Barack, rather than he, is a world-renowned politician.
‘He is a jealous and selfish man,’ says Mr Ogombe. ‘He’s a rich man, but he’s mean with money and time. He won’t even give you a lift and just drives past alone when you wave. He thinks all the glory should be his. He wants to be a parallel force to Barack. I don’t like him.’
A former headmaster at the local school in Kogelo, Mr Ogombe knew Malik as a boy, and met Barack on his first visit to his homeland in 1987, when the future U.S. President spent his days in a simple room at his family home, and developed a taste for local home-brewed beers.
‘Barack was a nice boy,’ he says. ‘He wasn’t used to the heat here, so he spent a lot of time inside resting, but he loved our beers and was very friendly to everyone. Malik and he got along well — but that was when both were nobodies.’
Leader: The half-brother of United States President Barack Obama, pictured during a briefing on the response to Hurricane Sandy, is said to be using his famous sibling’s name to help his election bid
So who is Roy Abong’o Malik Obama? He is the first son of Barack Obama senior. Aged 18, his father married Kezia, a local woman, in a tribal ceremony in Kogelo. She gave birth to Roy ‘Malik’ in 1958, and his sister Auma two years later.
But Obama Snr, a brilliant student, left her and her young children to take up a scholarship at the University of Hawaii. There, he had an affair with, and later married, Ann Dunham, an anthropologist from Kansas.
She gave birth to Barack Hussein junior, before the Kenyan dumped her, taking two more wives and having four more children — that are known about.
There were other women. But the future President Obama’s father slid into alcoholism and died in a car crash in Kenya aged 46. Barack is said to have struggled to come to terms with the fact his eight siblings have four different mothers.
Once a drug user and heavy drinker like his father before him, Malik gave up alcohol, tobacco and marijuana when his younger half-brother David was killed in a motorcycle accident after a night out together in Kenya in 1987.” http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/obamas-muslim-brother-pedophile-wife-beater-polygamist/
“… and I could even laugh along, if it weren’t for the fact that your first commenter–an evangelical preacher, no less–actually believes that Barack Obama, not Roy Obama, is a secret Muslim ….”
The situation becomes less coherent with every post. Roy’s not a “secret” anything. But as we see, Gate seems to think that Roy proves something about Barry which is silly.
What’s more, it’s possible that all this about Roy’s politics is more mighty-righty fabrication. A guy with a degree in accounting can’t be all that radical.
As Wiki has it:
“Although much of the Obama family has dispersed throughout Kenya and overseas, most, including Malik Obama, still considered their rural village on the shores of Lake Victoria to be their true home. They feel that those who have left the village have become culturally “lost”.[103] A frequent visitor to the United States,[102] and a consultant in Washington, D.C., for several months each year,[98] Malik settled in the Obamas’ ancestral home, Nyang’oma Kogelo, a village of several hundred people. He prefers its slow pace to that of the city. He runs a small electronics shop a half-hour’s drive outside of town.”
Now, it’s possible to see how you might get from the above … to this …
“… liberate himself from the poisoning influences of European culture.”
But, um … I’m gonna have to use the “P” word … yet again. You is all … crazy paranoid.
Libby: “What’s more, it’s possible that all this about Roy’s politics is more mighty-righty fabrication.”
Well, yeah. Jack, I’m starting to think you might want to just write “citation needed” at the bottom of every article you write here, since apparently you can’t be arsed to provide links to any of the claims you make.
Don’t know much about the stunning proof of radical ties but this might, understandably, be a source discontent and anger for some folks.
Tina: “Don’t know much about the stunning proof of radical ties but this might, understandably, be a source discontent and anger for some folks.”
If by “some folks,” you mean “anyone stupid enough to believe Jerome ‘Birther’ Corsi and Wing Nut Daily,” then yes, I can understand why those people might be upset. I don’t have to care, because they’re idiots. But I understand.
Stupid, idiots, “Wing nut”…wow Chris such pithy banter. I’ll bet it took all day to think up that comment.
Those remarks are right up there with The Huffington Post whose posted stories are peppered LIBRERALLY with slime words and sarcasm designed to discredit.
Here’s a few I grabbed from a single page:
far-right fringe theories and weird scams
surreality-based derangement
Lucifer aka “Satan” aka “The Devil” has been making lots of news lately! He’s the guy whom Christine O’Donnell’s high school coven palled around with
The far-right fringe is out of its mind about health care reform. And throughout the week, its behavior has gone from irresponsible, to racist, to unapologetically dangerous
Two entries also mocked calls for a national day of prayer.
But the topper is this one: “Media Matters Action Network announced the launch of SmearBuster.org, a new website fighting back against the right-wing smear machine’s progressive witch hunts”
This from the party of extremists and religious bigots whose high priest is Saul Alinsky, author of the demonic manual, “Rules for Radicals,” a tomb that teaches in ten basic rules the art of witch huntery and is dedicated to Satan, the first great deceiver and father of lies. Examples:
Sarah Palin was hunted before people actually had a chance to get to know her with a concentrated targeting for destruction involving every leftists talker and journalist in America and a few in Briton.
The Democrat Party radicals have used this method to win arguments and elections for decades. Slime tactics by a slime party.
The article I linked to revealed the fact that Obama’s brother was given 501c4 status within a month of application; it was also made retroactive, I think three years.
Yes, a number of Tea Party and conservative groups whose applications were deliberately withheld for approval by the Obama IRS in an election year for political purposes might be upset. These are American citizens being harassed by a radical administration using it’s power to affect election outcomes.
Stupid idiots, Chris?
I call them Americans with a legitimate gripe and the right of redress.
Hey !
If you’re gonna post whack-brained conspiracy theories of dubious provenance … we are going to make fun of you for it. It is our duty as citizens to point out the whack-brainedness of your sources, and we will continue to do so.
You have to abandon all this birther, secret Muslim stuff (which is racist, and we’re not going to stop pointing that out either) and stick to perfectly legitimate policy objections. You have every right to object to the ACA, etc.
But Gate and his ilk are decidedly on the whack-job end of the spectrum, and if you’re going to join him, you’re gonna catch no end of grief for it.
Tina, yes or no question: Do you think Jerome Corsi, a man who to this day claims that Obama’s long-form birth certificate is a forgery, is a reliable source?
Tina, what are we gonna do with you? That’s somebody’s blog. I, at least, went to Wiki, which is marginally factual.
Now, while Malik does have 12 wives (which grates), there isn’t anything in this blog, or anywhere else, about political radicalism.
An article is Propaganda without viable sources. A source is not someones propaganda blog. A source is a verifiable proven place with facts.
So you hate Obama…ok no prob. Real Americans do not make up WW2 Propaganda. I can find many things to fight Obama on. The TPP, The Canadian Koch bros pipeline.
I guess facts and progress are not important.
Also not every Muslim is a bad person. Separation of Church and State. Religion should not dictate anything it is a choice.
Chris: “Do you think Jerome Corsi, a man who to this day claims that Obama’s long-form birth certificate is a forgery, is a reliable source?”
Don’t know the man so wouldn’t comment on him. I especially would not answer based only on your disagreement on the birth certificate issue.
I also don’t put much stock in arguments like “that’s not a reliable source” from someone who is just as likely to cite groups like media matters and other left wing cites and 501c4 organizations.
These groups were not denied a timely granting of nonprofit status and they regularly engage in political activity almost exclusively without harassment. They also receive funds through George Soros or his Tides Foundation without garnering criticism…or complaints by Dewey regarding their elitist Wealth supporter.
We accept the references you cite along with your opinions as part of your left leaning point of view, usually without comment.
Kindly do the same for us and our guests.
Dewey: “So you hate Obama…”
Please refrain from making inflammatory accusations. No one here has said they “hate” Obama.
“Also not every Muslim is a bad person.”
We have said so on many occasions. Please stop implying things that simply are not true and have not been said or implied.
Libby the point I made here was that the man got special preferential treatment by the IRS at the same time that the Tea Party was being targeted, denied approval and harassed!
Take your elitist superior criticisms and stuff them. We are well aware of the crap your side pulls on a regular basis and most of the time it is all bulls#*t.
And try to keep Jacks and my comments separate…we are not a single entity, joined at the hip, just friends in conservatism.
“I also don’t put much stock in arguments like “that’s not a reliable source” ….”
You’re just going to believe what you want to believe in contravention of all objective reality … swallow whole absolutely any crazy story that feeds your prejudices.
Spiffy.
Come on, Tina. In support of Jack’s “Roy is a Radical” post, you produce somebody else’s blog post … full of gossip, innuendo, and unfounded accusations of stuff not even remotely resembling political radicalism.
We’re not supposed to criticize this?
Libby: “You’re just going to believe what you want to believe in contravention of all objective reality … swallow whole absolutely any crazy story that feeds your prejudices.”
There you go again…deciding how I think and what I believe.
You should be reminded that it was Chris, not any of us, who brought the birther issue to our attention. While he has gone absolutely apoplectic attempting to force us to all admit how crazy we are to “believe” it we have had a lot of fun challenging him and reiterating that we find the whole mess interesting but not necessarily compelling.
He, like you, would rather believe your own biased opinion.
Gossip, innuendo? Excuse me? Have you proof that what I have posted is NOT TRUE?
If so post the evidence, otherwise give it up!
The story was in The Daily Caller:
So?
Ok … in the Wiki entry, there was a bit about him spending half of the year in the U.S. as a “consultant” … and I go … uh-oh. How does an accountant who runs an electronics business rate a consultancy? As if I have to ask.
But this STILL does not prove political radicalism. It does, alas, point toward another, all-too-commonplace, political opportunism.
What are ya gonna do?
Jack: “Chris, apparently you are unable to find any links to say Roy Obama is a muslim? Funny, I found dozens of sites.”
Jack, it’s not that I’m “unable to find” any links, it’s that I’m not going to waste my time searching for information that you should have made public when you first posted this story. When you make a claim on your own blog, you have an ethical obligation to cite your source. Leaving it to your readers to Google your source for you is lazy and irresponsible. It is not that hard to provide a link.
You did cite a source in your comment, but it is an extremely unreliable and proudly Islamophobic blog. Here’s what they say:
“If you are an Islamophobe (a word invented by muslims) you are in good company. Islamophobe means you are fighting against tolerance for the intolerable, and for protection of liberties and human rights against the very enemy of humanness, rights and freedom: Islam.”
And you expect me to take this story seriously? That’s ridiculous.
Libby: “Now, while Malik does have 12 wives (which grates), there isn’t anything in this blog, or anywhere else, about political radicalism.”
Libby, let’s not just accept premises which haven’t been proven. There’s no reason to believe that Malik Obama has twelve wives until the person making that claim provides a reliable source. An openly Islamophobic blog is not a reliable source. I can’t believe I even have to point that out to other adults, yet here we are.
“Have you proof that what I have posted is NOT TRUE?”
Somebody slept through their “Logic and Critical Thinking” classes.
Wiki to the rescue:
A negative proof is a logical fallacy which takes the structure of: X is true because there is no proof that X is false.
If the only evidence for something’s existence is a lack of evidence for it not existing, then the default position is one of skepticism and not credulity. This type of negative proof is common in proofs of God’s existence or in pseudosciences where it is used to attempt to shift the burden of proof onto the skeptic rather than the proponent of the idea. The burden of proof is on the individual proposing existence, not the one questioning existence.
Tina: “Don’t know the man so wouldn’t comment on him.”
I’m almost certain we discussed him at length when the birther issue was more of a thing, but whatever. Maybe you didn’t know he was the Birther King before; you do now, and if you are a reasonable person who bases your opinions on evidence, that should change your opinion regarding whether you should cite him as a source on your blog.
“I especially would not answer based only on your disagreement on the birth certificate issue.”
^^^^This sentence, right here, is everything that’s wrong with the modern Republican party in a nutshell.
Let me make this very, very clear: There is no “disagreement” on the birth certificate issue. There are objective facts which can be easily verified on one side, and there are liars, scam artists, lunatics and goddamn idiots who refuse to believe those facts on the other. Jerome Corsi falls somewhere in the latter category.
Chalking it up to “disagreement” would imply that there are two valid sides to this issue. There are not. It would also imply that this is a matter of opinion. It is not. Barack Obama, based on all objective evidence, was born in Hawaii. This evidence is easily available, and has been since the 2008 campaign, when Senator Obama posted a legal birth certificate online for all the world to see.
Jerome Corsi was one of the first people to argue that this was not, in fact, a legal birth certificate. He was wrong, as every fact-checker in the United States and various representatives of the Hawaiian government pointed out, but that didn’t matter. He just. Kept. Saying it. Anyway.
And he got a lot of otherwise sane people to believe him, despite the fact that there has never been a single shred of concrete evidence provided for the claim that Obama was born outside of the United States. Not. One.
We’re not talking about an issue where reasonable people can disagree. Barack Obama was born in the United States. That is an objective fact that can easily be verified. Anyone who still refuses to acknowledge that fact is someone who cannot be swayed by evidence.
Anyone who decides to basically build his entire brand off of the conspiracy theory that Obama was born in Kenya, as Jerome Corsi has, is a scam artist who should never be trusted.
Anyone who would choose to trust such a scam artist, and then chalks up warnings that he is not trustworthy as simple “disagreement,” is behaving like an easy mark.
Citing Jerome Corsi as a source, or otherwise believing anything the man says without verifying its accuracy, is stupid.
I’m sorry if that sounds unkind. But it’s the truth. It is stupid to believe people who are noted liars, who keep making the same claims, over and over again, even after being proven wrong.
But the modern Republican party wants everything to be reduced to a matter of opinion. If you don’t like a study, just say you can’t trust studies anyway. If 97% of climate scientists say that man-made global warming exists, just cast doubt on science and say that the views of the 3% are more credible. If the media won’t pick up everything written on Sarah Palin’s brother’s Facebook, it’s because the media is biased and unfair (yes, you actually said this the other day!). Reliable sources? Who needs ’em!
This is why your friend Peggy still believes in Obama phones, Tina.
And when people call you out on this, then you just adopt the language of your opponents: you’re being bullied because people won’t let you get away with lying. We’re just bigots and fascists trying to dictate what everyone believes, can’t we all just agree to disagree?
It’s a remarkably politically correct strategy: try and convince people that all opinions are equal, no matter how much or how little evidence they’re actually based on. How ironic that the right has adopted this strategy so fully.
“I also don’t put much stock in arguments like “that’s not a reliable source””
Yes, that would be the problem.
“from someone who is just as likely to cite groups like media matters and other left wing cites and 501c4 organizations.”
I’ve made an effort to stop citing Media Matters precisely because they are biased and I know you don’t take them seriously. However, you’ve never showed that Media Matters has a record of lying similar to that of sites like WND. You usually just dismiss it out of hand, or accuse the site of selectively editing conservatives *even when they’ve provided the full context and transcript.* I see a lot of conservatives complain about Media Matters, but I rarely see any proof provided of dishonesty.
[criticism of MM’s 504 status, which I’ve said should be revoked and has nothing to do with this conversation, deleted]
“Kindly do the same for us and our guests.”
You’re asking me to “kindly” refrain from pointing out when you are citing ridiculous birther sources.
No. I kindly refuse. It would be irresponsible of me to do that. Like Libby said: if you are going to get in bed with the extremist wing of your party, you are going to be criticized for it. That is fair. You don’t like Republicans being stereotyped as idiots, bigots and loons? Stop associating yourself with and defending the people who conform to those stereotypes. It’s that simple.
Tina: “Have you proof that what I have posted is NOT TRUE?
If so post the evidence, otherwise give it up!”
Please don’t quit your day job to become a lawyer.
OK, TV is on pause so I don’t have to hear Obama and can fast forward to hear Mike Lee and Rand Paul speak.
Turns out Tina the IRS did Obama’s half brother an even bigger favor. Virginia also has a requirement to file an application and “Roy” didn’t.
Turner’s two year retroactive approval violated Virginia’s laws.
Also remember reading “Roy” had collected around $125,000, but wasn’t able to verify it in a link.
Must be nice to have friends and family in really high places. Or could this really be what Obama is talking about when he says “wealth distribution?”
From the article.
“What the post doesn’t state that it was illegal in the State of Virginia. Not only that the IRS made it retroactive for three years.
The New York Post also reported that the foundation was not registered in Virginia at the time the article was written in May, despite a Virginia legal requirement that an organization register before soliciting donations in that state.”
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/05/obamas-half-brother-illegal-scam-foundation-irs-approval-in-one-month-2518426.html
Chris at #29
Please, don’t ever imagine that you are clever.
I posted the source for the information I referenced. (It had nothing to do with the birther issue)
My information was also reported in the Daily Caller, as noted. I repeat, though I realize it is useless to do so:
So? What is the problem?
“This sentence, right here, is everything that’s wrong with the modern Republican party in a nutshell.”
I completely understand. Your experience of the Republican Party is based on your own biases, as I have said before.
I find it silly that the birther issue, something we have only a mild passing interest in, is the defining issue for you. What a shallow thinker you must be if that is the best you can do!
Or is it that you don’t want to tell us the things that are important?
“…the modern Republican party wants everything to be reduced to a matter of opinion.
The modern Democrat Party never does? You never do? Please! People have opinions and like to express them.
We have supplied our readers with plenty of information and facts. Sorry you missed them.
“You’re asking me to “kindly” refrain from pointing out when you are citing ridiculous birther sources.”
No, I asked you to kindly refrain from making sources a big issue since you have sources that many people on the right know are left wing radical apologists for the left. It isn’t like your potty don’t have an odor.
“It would be irresponsible of me to do that.”
Why, because your thoughts are so danged earth shattering? Get over yourself…please!
“…if you are going to get in bed with the extremist wing of your party, you are going to be criticized for it.”
You elected the extremist wing of your party and propose to run another candidate, no matter who wins, in 2016! Pretending that your parties views are all main stream is so much crap. Pretending that they resemble constitutional America founded in freedom is a joke! Denying the Marxist basis for most of your parties ideas is also laughable but you do it on a regular basis.
We actually allow it too; imagine that.
Your party has been chock full of extremists for decades! They have been pushing this nation away from individual freedom and toward big government control for decades.
Does it occur to you that the “right wing extremist” yammering is just more left wing crap? Crap posited by left wing extremist to keep you from examining their real agenda or the real ideas of conservatism? It should occur to you…the left wing extremists are ruining your future!
“Stop associating yourself with and defending the people who conform to those stereotypes. It’s that simple.”
Bossy…so typical of the left.
Have you thought much about the people in the party you associate with, Chris? Their tactics, their brand of humor, the way they treat people who pose a threat? You should be disgusted if you really are as principled as you claim to be.
From my perspective you have nothing special stand on, particularly from that lofty perch you’ve constructed for yourself.
“Libby, let’s not just accept premises which haven’t been proven.”
Wiki concedes the 12 wives; I’m willing to do likewise. It’s another culture. And we are truly wandering far afield.
The original post asserted that Roy was a radical Muslim, some sort of Jihadist. Roy is a Muslim, but there is not a shred of evidence yet produced that he is in any way “radical”.
It was further asserted that because Roy was a Muslim, Barry must be … which is utter BS.
Are we clear?
Libby: “The original post asserted that Roy was a radical Muslim, some sort of Jihadist. Roy is a Muslim, but there is not a shred of evidence yet produced that he is in any way “radical”.”
Apparently the “sort” of Muslim he may be/is is a member of Hamas, a declared terrorist organization dedicated to wiping Israel off the map.
See here for photo and commentary on Malik Obama:
Do follow the link and scroll through; number of photos and commentary suggest our President has lied about his relationships to family members…why? Unless he knew of their associations with known terrorist groups and didn’t think the American people would be very happy about it.
Just sayin’!
No Libby we are not clear because this president has not been clear…he has been very secretive. He has made conflicting statements about his relationships and his history…as has Michelle. Curious that…and if he isn’t going to be forthcoming and truthful then people are going to go looking.
Tina: “I completely understand. Your experience of the Republican Party is based on your own biases, as I have said before.”
No, it’s based on your complete lack of honesty and integrity.
“I find it silly that the birther issue, something we have only a mild passing interest in, is the defining issue for you. What a shallow thinker you must be if that is the best you can do!”
It’s not the “defining issue.” It is an issue that discredits anyone who believes in it. Jerome Corsi is CRAZY, Tina. It is unethical to link to stories written by crazy people and use them as if they are reliable sources.
The fact that you can’t come right out and say “Yeah, birthers are crazy” makes you an enabler. You refuse to admit that there is no factual basis for this theory. You refuse to stop promoting websites that promote this theory heavily with absolutely no valid evidence whatsoever.
“The modern Democrat Party never does? You never do? Please! People have opinions and like to express them.”
I do not pass off lies as opinions. By saying that the birther issue is a simple matter of “disagreement,” that’s exactly what you’re doing. Again: saying that Obama was born in Kenya, or anywhere else other than Hawaii, is not an opinion. It is a lie.
“You elected the extremist wing of your party”
No, Barack Obama is not an extremist.
“Denying the Marxist basis for most of your parties ideas is also laughable but you do it on a regular basis.”
As I just explained the other day, I do not deny the Marxist basis of our ideas. I deny that we are Marxists. There is a difference.
“Bossy…so typical of the left.”
I demand honesty, Tina. That is not an unreasonable opinion. That you so frequently characterize these demands as “bossy” or “tyrannical” just shows how much partisanship has damaged your critical and linguistic capacities.
Chris: “it’s based on your complete lack of honesty and integrity.”
Well that’s one inexperienced boys opinion.
“It is an issue that discredits anyone who believes in it.”
Then you should have no problem with me or my honesty. I have told you repeatedly that I do not believe it…I just find it an interesting issue given the secrecy and withholding of records and the conflicting reports about the Presidents past. Supposedly he’s “brilliant”. If he’s so damn brilliant why do they hide his college records? I find your own lack of curiosity odd.
“Jerome Corsi is CRAZY, Tina. It is unethical to link to stories written by crazy people and use them as if they are reliable sources.”
I think its crazy to believe the global warming lie and you embrace it. I guess that’s to be expected when people have opposing views. Why do you find it necessary to keep tabs on others as if you had cornered the market on sanity. You are a very intolerant and judgmental person, By your liberal standards that alone should disqualify you in the “acceptable” club.
“The fact that you can’t come right out and say “Yeah, birthers are crazy” makes you an enabler.”
Ditto on the global warming idiocy and all the schemers and faux scientists that peddle that tripe!
“You refuse to stop promoting websites that promote this theory…”
Get over yourself…promoting? I doubt anyone but you gave it a passing glance but even if they did isn’t it a bit arrogant of you to think others can’t think for themselves so YOU have to monitor the situation to keep them safe?
“I do not pass off lies as opinions”
Says who? You? More arrogance.
“By saying that the birther issue is a simple matter of “disagreement,” that’s exactly what you’re doing.”
Well too bad little boy, it happens to be a subject about which there are differing opinions. You don’t like it…too bad.
“…saying that Obama was born in Kenya, or anywhere else other than Hawaii, is not an opinion. It is a lie.”
Except for that video with Michele Obama saying to a group that Obama is from Kenya and the biographic at the front of that brochure that listed his birthplace as Kenya. Sorry, things like that raise questions.
“No, Barack Obama is not an extremist.”
Your opinion and you are welcome to it!
“As I just explained the other day, I do not deny the Marxist basis of our ideas. I deny that we are Marxists.”
If Marxism is the basis for the things you advocate politically how are you not a Marxist?
You and your party are very liberal in your accusations of racism…does your little theory work the same in this instance…they just have a few racist ideas but they are not really racist?
Seems to me you are not being honest, not about or toward others and not even with yourself.
“I demand honesty”
BS…you demand conformity!
Conformity is also typical of Marxist thinking. The Russian Marxists wore drab/dark clothing as a signature of conformity…Mao actually required the uniform of black pants and white shirt.
Your party’s politically correct edicts are all about conformity…divergent opinion is absolutely unacceptable.
“…just shows how much partisanship has damaged your critical and linguistic capacities.”
Conformity!
Are you tearing your hair yet,Chris?
Good!
You’re an extremely arrogant jerk who needs to lighten up and wake up.
Lions Tigers and lies oh no! 2014 deserves better new Propaganda. Reads like a hamster stuck in a wheel.
How about….hum….
Breaking News! GOP new health plan wants to tax 35% of employer paid ins as income and use the money for tax cuts for the company! Wait they do want to tax 35% of the employer paid ins as income….
Hum……something not true……
Tea Party believes in Democracy!
Ah there we go…….
Come on what’s this years stuff?
Tina: “I think its crazy to believe the global warming lie and you embrace it.”
So you believe that 97% of climate scientists are crazy?
That is crazy.
“Ditto on the global warming idiocy and all the schemers and faux scientists that peddle that tripe!”
So now 97% of climate scientists are “faux” scientists. Amazing.
“Well too bad little boy, it happens to be a subject about which there are differing opinions.”
No. You keep using that word “opinions.” I do not think that word means what you think that word means.
This is not a subject about which there are differing opinions. This is a subject about which there was legal proof on one side from the very beginning, and there were liars, scam artists, and deranged conspiracy theorists on the others.
Again: Barack Obama posted a legal birth certificate online in 2008, before he was elected. Jerome Corsi, along with MANY other right-wing bloggers, led a smear campaign in which they falsely claimed that this was not, in fact, a legal birth certificate.
It was explained dozens of times by journalists, fact-checkers, officials from the state of Hawaii, the White House, and anyone capable of googling the State Department’s requirements for proof of citizenship that this was, in fact, a legal birth certificate. Yet to this very day, people like Jerome Corsi still demand further proof of Obama’s citizenship, even after Obama released ANOTHER version of his birth certificate that is almost never given out to citizens in Hawaii.
That is f***ed up, Tina. Why can’t you admit it?
“Except for that video with Michele Obama saying to a group that Obama is from Kenya and the biographic at the front of that brochure that listed his birthplace as Kenya. Sorry, things like that raise questions.”
Since there would be no point in lying to me, since you know I’d call you out on it, I’m going to assume you’re misremembering. Michelle Obama never said that her husband was from Kenya. She referred to Kenya as Barack’s “homeland.” Using common sense and basic human intelligence, it’s obvious that she was referring about his *ancestral* homeland. This is very common language used to describe the country of one of a person’s parents.
I mean, think about it for two seconds: you’re saying this is a point for birthers because it’s possible that Obama orchestrated a massive conspiracy, complete with forged birth records, false statements by Hawaiian officials including two governors, one a Republican, false statements by hospital staff, a fake birth announcement from the week Obama was born, and possibly a time machine…and yet Michelle’s going to blow the whole thing by admitting that Obama is from Kenya in public?
That’s the level of stupidity you’re defending, Tina. Why do you do this? Why do you think it makes your party look better?
The brochure thing has been explained as a mistake by Obama’s literary agent. It in no way overwhelms the massive amount of evidence, including legally valid proof in the form of two birth certificates, that Obama was born in the United States. It is completely irrational to think that it does.
“If Marxism is the basis for the things you advocate politically how are you not a Marxist?”
It’s one basis out of many. Marx had a huge influence on the entire political landscape of the 20th century. Many used his ideas for evil, but some good has come out of them too. MLK Jr. said the same thing. Do you believe he was a Marxist?
“You and your party are very liberal in your accusations of racism…does your little theory work the same in this instance…they just have a few racist ideas but they are not really racist?”
If you had listened to anything I’ve written about racism over the last few years, you’d know that my answer to that question is yes. I try to avoid as much using the term “racist” to describe individuals. ALL of us have racist ideas; differentiating between “racists” and “good people” is unhelpful and inaccurate.
“BS…you demand conformity!”
To the extent that I think we should all agree that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, yes.
I also believe we should all agree that the earth revolves around the son, that Michael J. Fox played Marty McFly in “Back to the Future,” and that the Ravens won the 2013 Super Bowl.
These are all facts, not opinions. They are not issues over which rational people can disagree.
Obscuring the difference between fact and opinion, simply because you don’t want to admit when anyone on your side of the aisle has done something wrong, is unethical, and it is contributing to the dumbing down of America.
I made many spelling and grammatical mistakes in the above comment; please excuse them.
Facts, 360 B.C. – A.D. 2012
By Rex Huppke, Tribune Newspapers
…To the shock of most sentient beings, Facts died Wednesday, April 18, after a long battle for relevancy with the 24-hour news cycle, blogs and the Internet. Though few expected Facts to pull out of its years-long downward spiral, the official cause of death was from injuries suffered last week when Florida Republican Rep. Allen West steadfastly declared that as many as 81 of his fellow members of the U.S. House of Representatives are communists.
Facts held on for several days after that assault — brought on without a scrap of evidence or reason — before expiring peacefully at its home in a high school physics book. Facts was 2,372.
“It’s very depressing,” said Mary Poovey, a professor of English at New York University and author of “A History of the Modern Fact.” “I think the thing Americans ought to miss most about facts is the lack of agreement that there are facts. This means we will never reach consensus about anything. Tax policies, presidential candidates. We’ll never agree on anything.”
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People unable to understand how science works began to question Facts. And at the same time there was a rise in political partisanship and a growth in the number of media outlets that would disseminate information, rarely relying on feedback from Facts.
“There was an erosion of any kind of collective sense of what’s true or how you would go about verifying any truth claims,” Poovey said. “Opinion has become the new truth. And many people who already have opinions see in the ‘news’ an affirmation of the opinion they already had, and that confirms their opinion as fact.”
Though weakened, Facts managed to persevere through the last two decades, despite historic setbacks that included President Bill Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky, the justification for President George W. Bush’s decision to invade Iraq and the debate over President Barack Obama’s American citizenship.
Facts was wounded repeatedly throughout the recent GOP primary campaign, near fatally when Michele Bachmann claimed a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease causes mental retardation. In December, Facts was briefly hospitalized after MSNBC’s erroneous report that GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s campaign was using an expression once used by the Ku Klux Klan.
But friends and relatives of Facts said Rep. West’s claim that dozens of Democratic politicians are communists was simply too much for the aging concept to overcome.
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Poovey, however, who knew Facts as well as anyone, said Facts’ demise is undoubtedly factual.
“American society has lost confidence that there’s a single alternative,” she said. “Anybody can express an opinion on a blog or any other outlet and there’s no system of verification or double-checking, you just say whatever you want to and it gets magnified. It’s just kind of a bizarre world in which one person’s opinion counts as much as anybody else’s.”
Facts is survived by two brothers, Rumor and Innuendo, and a sister, Emphatic Assertion.
Services are alleged to be private. In lieu of flowers, the family requests that mourners make a donation to their favorite super PAC.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-19/news/ct-talk-huppke-obit-facts-20120419_1_facts-philosopher-opinion