Posted by Tina
Parents worried about their children are blogging about the influx of children coming across our borders; Trent Telenko at Chicago Boys blog is no exception:
One of the things that changes you, when you become a parent, is the body of knowledge you acquire to protect your spouse and children including things like knowledge of infectious diseases in public schools. In my case that meant looking at the NY Times saying the following: “…the administration has begun to send the expected 240,000 migrants and 52,000 unaccompanied minors who have crossed the border illegally in recent months in the Rio Grande Valley to cities around the county.” And at headlines for the open border crisis like this by Todd Starnes titled “Immigration crisis: Tuberculosis spreading at camps” which caused me to immediately free associate them with a pair of “Tuberculosis in Public School”, headlines, one local to North Texas in 2011 and the other very recently in California. See this 2011 Consumer Health Daily article from Denton Texas “TB Outbreaks in Texas Schools Show Disease Still a Threat – At least 100 people have tested positive for the respiratory ailment” and this 1 July 2014 article from the Sacramento Bee “Four more students test positive for tuberculosis at Grant High.”
As a Texas parent, this idea of TB positive illegal alien children released to illegal immigrant parents scares the heck out of me from the point of view of epidemiology. In the 1920s TB was the eighth leading cause of death for children 1-to-4 years old. Since then American public health has been so effective in preventing it that the USA no longer has any “herd immunity” to TB.
This “catch and release” illegal alien policy is horrible from the infectious disease point of view in that phlegm or aerosolized sputum that are contaminated with Mycobacterium tuberculosis are active biohazards that have long latent infection periods. This makes “exposure” very easy. The clinical definition of TB Exposure — which I found in a University of Vanderbilt student medical file PDF — is the following:
“A person is considered to be exposed if there is shared breathing space with someone with infectious pulmonary or laryngeal tuberculosis at a time when the infectious person is not wearing a mask and the other person is not wearing an N95 respirator. Usually a person has to be in close contact with someone with infectious tuberculosis for a long period of time to become infected; however, some people do become infected after short periods, especially if the contact is in a closed or poorly ventilated space.” (article continues)
We are told we don’t need to worry about any of this and if we do it’s only because we are paranoid. I guess we’ll know in a couple of years just how “paranoid” this parent is…question is will we laugh at him or be devastated by the numbers of Americans affected by this social experiment?
He wants to worry, he can worry about all our anti-science citizen parents who won’t inoculate their children.
And if public schools in Texas are admitting children without a TB test, that’s a problem of Texas’s own creation.
And … we are going to inoculate ALL our temporary residents and it’s going to cost LOTS of money, and you can just writhe and die over it … we’re gonna do it anyway!
Who are those parents who won’t inoculate their children?
US Health Officials Worry…:
Just sayin!
Meanwhile, Obama and his staff yuck it up at a meeting with Texas Governor Perry —
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/07/10/photos-obama-laughs-his-way-through-meeting-with-gov-perry/
And I’m just saying that it’s always been a concern. We had a TB scare on the options trading floor of the Pacific Stock Exchange when I worked there. (They will yowl in each other’s faces.)
We know how to deal with this, and anybody who says otherwise is fear-mongering.
Oh, and … you know, those nutjobs who think their kids will get autism. They don’t get autism, but they do get whooping cough.
I think the guy who started it all actually got his license to practice yanked. That’s huge. There are hundreds of other thoroughly documented, roaring incompetents in practice that the AMA won’t take action against.
My son is a EMT/Paramedic/Firefighter for Sac. Metro Fire Dept. Since EMT/Paramedics are called to care for and transport sick people he and all of the other firefighters have been exposed to the TB outbreak in Sacramento.
He lives in Chico and works with firefighters who live in Fresno, Napa as well as other cities just at his station. There are dozens of stations filled with crews just like his. This disease could spread throughout the state putting all of us at risk.
My son just had to be retested for the active virus. Luckily he was negative this time.
Anyone thinking the disease is no big deal needs to have their head examined. Or if they were too young to remember how the Aids virus spread and how fast it spread needs to do some research.
These kids and adults are coming in with diseases and they will expose us, our kids and grandkids to them. The last word I heard is there is a zero chance of them showing up for their court dates and the new forecast is up to 240,000 by next year.
One more thing.
I have two grandkids who attend two different public schools. And I have a daughter in law who is in private practice who she sees kids, and adults who work at Costco and attend Chico state.
The worst part about it is that it’s a new resistant strain.
Off topic
Yahoo!!!! Now, we’re getting somewhere. Can’t wait to see her in handcuffs and behind bars.
GOP Congressman: ‘We Just Filed a Resolution Directing the Sergeant-at-Arms to Arrest Lois Lerner for Contempt’:
“Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas) announced on Thursday that he has filed a resolution directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “arrest Lois Lerner for contempt of Congress” over the IRS targeting scandal.
Stockman said in a statement that asking the U.S. Department of Justice to prosecute Lerner for “admittedly illegal activity” is a “joke.” Instead, the Republican said it is up to the U.S. House to “uphold the rule of law and hold accountable those who illegally targeted American citizens for simply having different ideas than the President.”
Under the proposed resolution, Lerner would be held in a Washington, D.C., jail and would be given access to an attorney and all her constitutional rights.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/10/gop-congressman-we-just-filed-a-resolution-directing-the-sergeant-at-arms-to-arrest-lois-lerner-for-contempt/
Pie the President looks like a thirteen year old miscreant sitting in the principles office.
I’m not sure how anyone would know what diseases the illegals are bringing as the media is not allowed free access to the camps. We can’t ascertain if the kids are being well cared for or if they are sick or whatever else may be of concern because a lid has been placed on knowing what is going on inside these camps. This IS still America isn’t it?
The lid must have snapped shut when they discovered border guards with scabies because when the story first broke there were pictures…one with kids packed into what looked like a chain-link fenced in dog run. See also here:
As the President once said himself, words mean things.
Now we know reporters, and at least one lawmaker, have been denied access and border patrol and health care professionals have been ordered not to talk to anyone about what they are observing.
Remember this guy?
We knew all along he didn’t mean it.
Blaming vaccinations for autism is like blaming soft drinks for left wing lunacy.
“’m not sure how anyone would know what diseases the illegals are bringing as the media is not allowed free access to the camps.”
Fear-mongering.
Breitbart:
And like the guns that walked into Mexico and disappeared so will many of these kids.
It isn’t fear you silly woman…it is outrage! Both about and for these kids that are being used as pawns in the President’s evil plot to “fundamentally transform” America. None of you give a rats butt for these kids or their families.
The President, and his cadre of socialist users are irresponsibly dopey and devious, if you can imagine something that horrid and strange, and you are a silly fool.
A Mother’s Concern
Mother of officer killed by illegal immigrant writes Obama
http://www.kpho.com/story/25982202/mother-of-sergeant-killed-by-illegal-immigrant-writes-obama
Excerpt —
“I had my son’s life STOLEN from me by a man who didn’t value his life, was 3X the legal limit drunk, was high on Meth, drove for over 35 miles THE WRONG WAY on 4 different freeways and had NO BUSINESS BEING IN THIS COUNTRY!!!
“The Federal Government knew he, Raul Silva Corona , was an illegal immigrant when he was convicted on crimes in 1994 in Colorado. The prosecutors were “lenient” on him and several charges were dismissed. When he was convicted of these crimes and 1994 and the government knew he was in the country illegally, why wasn’t he deported? Why are any of these illegal criminals in this country ??
“I am furious that the Federal Government allowed this criminal to stay in this country and KILL my son!
“Both about and for these kids that are being used as pawns in the President’s evil plot to “fundamentally transform” America.”
And this … is paranoid.
I too had a dear friend killed, by a drunk illegal immigrant driving a hot-red Mustang, in a head-on collision. Ray died after three days of clinging to life, Patty, his wife and Claire, Patty’s mother spent over a week in the hospital with broken arms, legs and ribs.
The illegal immigrant, who was driving without a license or insurance, survived and disappeared.
Off Topic: From the For Crying Out Loud Department
On the Giants’ “Native American Heritage Night, two groups of fans had a disagreement over the issue of what should and shouldn’t be worn.
“SF Examiner reported two Native American fans asked a third fan, who appeared to be Caucasian, to remove a headdress he was wearing.”
One offended woman who demanded the man remove the Plains Indian warbonnet was ejected from the Giants baseball stadium (evidently she blew a gasket).
San Francisco Giants May Ban ‘Culturally Insensitive’ Attire At AT&T Park
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/07/09/san-francisco-giants-may-ban-culturally-insensitive-attire-at-att-park/
I guess wearing if you are white and you choose to wear American Indian accoutrements to honor and enjoy Native American Night at a baseball game that is as offensive as if some white guy were to wear black-face at the Giants’ African American Heritage Night.
Remember, only blacks can use the n-word and only American Indian sports teams can use the r-word, or so it is fast becoming.
From Wikipedia —
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redskin_%28slang%29
In the United States, “redskin” is regarded as a racial epithet by some,[35] neutral by some people,[36] including some Native Americans.[37] Three predominately Native American schools use the name for their athletic teams, most notably the 98% Native American enrollment of the Red Mesa High School in Teec Nos Pos, Arizona.[38][39][40] Supporters of the Washington team often cite Red Mesa as justification for stating that the name is acceptable to all Native Americans.[41] However the principal of the school said that use of the word outside American Indian communities should be avoided because it could perpetuate “the legacy of negativity that the term has created.”[42]
Personally, I think the word ‘Redskin’ — which in it’s history has not always been used as an offensive racial epithet (see Wikipedia article linked above) — should not be allowed to be permanently turned into an offensive racial epithet by the politically correct crowd. Turn ‘Redskin’ into something American Indians are proud of (some are already proud of it, maybe even many are), and don’t treat it as a racial slur.
But it looks like that battle is lost. Some people live to be offended.
BS it is. The man stood in front of the camera’s and boldly told the world it was his intention to fundamentally transform the country. Everything he’s done since then has negatively impacted the nation and undermined our laws, including making sure that the checks and balances system remains broken. You are either complicit or a tool. These kids are being used and will receive the usual crumbs from elitist tables until they can acquire jobs that “Americans won’t do”.
CIS:
The President is working with radical elements in the group, “La Raza (the race).
Politico:
501c4 organizations are allowed to engage in political activity. 501c3’s are limited to charitable activities alone:
Blatant disregard for our laws, radical organizing, and covert alliances to undermine stability in our country is what we have…and it’s all done on purpose.
“The illegal immigrant, who was driving without a license or insurance, survived and disappeared.”
And your point? A legal resident could, and I believe does, on near daily basis, perpetrate an identical offence.
Texas Republicans post racist anti-immigrant screed:
“You know those people who say that they’re against allowing more immigrants but that “it’s not about race”?
Guess what?
It’s about race.
At least for those Texas Republican convention delegates who undermined their party’s former guest-worker platform, it really wasn’t about enforcement or reducing immigration.
No, if you read the “Protect” delegates’ convention Facebook page, they reprinted this Thursday from a California restrictionist group protesting at Murrieta, Calif.:
“Americans are not breeding while ‘the bronze master race is.’ … We will die out and they will win.”
There you have it. A major Texas Republican faction that just successfully rewrote the platform is publishing warnings about Central American child detainees arriving as part of an “agenda” for a “bronze master race.”
It’s not about legal or illegal.
It’s about bronze.
The Protect page has 932 followers, including several Tarrant County Republican precinct chairs and party officers. It does not identify an author, editor or administrator.
One of the page’s frequent posters is also identified in an online profile as a Dallas member of the John Birch Society, the radical 1960s organization that fears all kinds of worldwide communist conspiracies, including a supposed U.S. plot to subvert borders and operate as a North American Union.
I’m not sure exactly how that fits with The Great Bronze Takeover.
But I know that by midday Saturday, not one of the page’s followers — almost all Republican delegates from the state convention two weeks ago in Fort Worth — had objected or disagreed.
Look, we might debate how to enforce borders, how to manage child detainees and whether to eventually keep others who came unlawfully but now live, work and pay taxes here peacefully and commendably.
But preaching racial hatred against children does not belong in the Republican Party, Texas or America.”
http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/07/05/5950561/on-child-bashing-republican-facebook.html?storylink=addthis#.U7hy2dxjdW4.twitter&rh=1#storylink=cpy
“It’s about race.”
“But preaching racial hatred against children does not belong in the Republican Party, Texas or America.”
It figures that the English major boob would participate in smearing the GOP with this isolated crap from a few.
Ever hear of the racist Mexican KKK, La Raza, or similarly racists Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (MEChA)? Both these organizations are connected to each other although they claim to have distanced themselves from each other.
Both these extremist, racist, radical groups advocate a reconquest of the US by the superior “new race” (Hispanics) who are the descendants of Mexicans and Spaniards and Central and South Americans indigenous peoples and Spaniards.
Are all Hispanics to be judged by these racist radical extremist groups who in their own way advocate a “bronze” revolution? Should the Democratic party which embraces these two groups be judged by there inherent racism?
Go blow your smoke elsewhere, English major boy. It isn’t about race, puppy, it is about stemming the flood of illegal aliens. Something the ridiculous Barack Obama claims, alternatively, he is for and against.
La Raza Unida
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6781
National Council of La Raza
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=153
Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (MEChA)
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6192
From La Voz de Aztlán (The Voice of Aztlán)
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7189 —
In addition to its anti-American hatred, another hallmark of La Voz is deep-seated anti-Semitism. A December 29, 2003 opinion piece noted the “synchronicity” surrounding the February 1, 2003 explosion of the Space Shuttle Columbia, where “7 astronauts, one a Zionist Israeli, came raining down over the town of Palestine in Texas, the home state of President George Bush.” The article added: “God has cursed the Jews from time immemorial and they have been the curse of mankind since the beginning of written history.”
It’s about race.
“bronze master race.”
It isn’t racist if it is the agenda of those helping to bring people into this country ILLEGALLY!!!!!
People in Texas have been living an working side by side with Mexicans since before they fought together for Texas statehood.
The radical Marxist macho elements have a goal ad it is a “bronze master race.”
Human Events:
FBI:
While you and Libby fret over imagined racism by republicans the rest of us have noticed a serious and growing threat to the very thing that allows all of us freedom, equality and opportunity…not to mention living in a safe environment!
Chris you are ignorant and naive! What’s sick is that you choose to be ignorant and to remain naive. But your college days are over; this is the real world. This isn’t about feelings for or acceptance of various peoples. It is about preserving our nation and its heritage of freedom, equality, justice, and opportunity through self reliance for anyone of any race who wants and will support our system of government…and is willing to abide by our laws.
You better get behind the group that is interested in preservation or the racists of these radical groups will show you what racism looks like as opposed to that PC crap you’ve been entertaining in college.
#21 Libby,
My point is my friend would be alive today if that illegal hadn’t been in that powerful speeding car that night.
A legal resident with a license and insurance would have data that could have been traced to his home and possible place of work.
The guy that killed my friend had no ID and probably used a fake name. How you going to find someone that doesn’t even exist?
Geez, Libby how about rubbing those two brain cells you have together and see if you can generate two more.
Glenn Beck explains why the kids from Honduras are fleeing their country, Obama’s involvement and the reason he’s helping the children.
http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=34403465&topic_id=&tcid=vpp_copy_34403465&v=3
In another thread I mentioned how Mexico and Guatemala have teamed up to make it easier for illegal aliens to be shipped the the US. Evidently that went unnoticed.
Here are some of the official details of the agreement —
http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/mexico-guatemala-fast-track-delivery-of-illegals-to-u-s/
Turns out Soros funded groups are helping to orchestrate and plan protests (activist mayhem) during the coming election year:
If this isn’t part of a coordinated political effort to undermine American sovereignty and our Constitution I will, as they say, eat my hat.
“My point is my friend would be alive today if that illegal hadn’t been in that powerful speeding car that night.”
Or it could have been a citizen. That it wasn’t was pure chance.
“A legal resident with a license and insurance would have data that could have been traced to his home and possible place of work.”
How do you think the authorities found out that the driver was illegal? And a legal resident could just as easily have skipped.
The guy that killed my friend had no ID and probably used a fake name. How you going to find someone that doesn’t even exist?
But they did know who he was. You said so. You said they knew he was illegal and and that he fled.
And how about you learn to see beyond the end of your prejudiced nose. The fact that the felon was undocumented is simply not relevant. This country is full of legally documented drunk drivers who wreak havoc every freaking hour of every freaking day. You are obsessing over a fact of no relevance to anybody … but a bigot.
National Review reports that in one Massachusetts city adults living in America illegally are attempting to pass themselves off as high school age “children” to enroll in school (And get in on the “path to citizenship” promised in the Dream speeches)
Libby my friend would not have been killed that night if that illegal alien hadn’t been speeding on that road that night. If he had NOT been allowed to be in this country my girlfriend and her mother would not have been injured.
My friend was killed THAT night by THAT man, not some individual you’ve conjured up in your mind.
No Libby, a legal resident can’t skip just as easily. People here legally have read IDs, Soc. Sec. numbers, drivers licenses, etc. Therefore, they can be tracked fairly easily and even stopped from fleeing the country if they try.
Illegals purchase fake IDs and use stolen SS # and if they decided to head back across the border into Mexico do you really think our border patrol will stop them?
And how about you understand about the real world we live in and the facts for what they are and stop living in that imaginary world you’ve created in your head.
Yes, Libby this country is full of, “legally documented drunk drivers who wreak havoc every freaking hour of every freaking day.” The news is full of their being arrested, the trial and their sentencing. But, what you don’t see is the same news coverage for ILLEGALS who kill here. Other than a small paragraph or two about the accident in the local newspaper or 5 minute spot on the local TV and the death notice in the obituaries that’s all those who are killed by illegals gets when the killer disappears.
“You are obsessing over a fact of no relevance to anybody … but a bigot.”
You know Libby I knew liberal/progressives could be cold-hearted S.O.B. but you win the award for the biggest ass#$%^. Ray was just a dear friend to me, but I doubt his wife would agree with you that the fact that she lost her husband has no relevance to anybody.
I’m not a bigot and neither is she, what she is now is a WIDOW, because our borders are still not secure and idiots like you defend them being here without being held accountable to OUR laws.
Have you heard about Sgt. Tahmooressi? He took a wrong turn and accidently ended up in Mexico. He had just moved to San Diego for PTSD treatment and had everything in his truck, which included three guns. Because of those guns he’s been in prison for over 100 days. Mexico won’t just release him because they say they are a nation of laws. His next hearing will be in August and faces spending 5-20 years in a Mexican prison because he got lost and ended up in Mexico.
Sure wish we were a nation of laws again and enforced our border like Mexico does.
Greta: President Obama, make a call and bring our jailed Marine home from Mexico:
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2014/05/21/greta-president-obama-make-call-and-bring-our-jailed-marine-home-mexico
In addition to the adults attending school with our kids how would you like to have MS-13 gang members and their new recruits in our schools?
TownHall:
Illegal Unaccompanied Minors Being Held For Placement in U.S. Admit to Engaging in Torture and Murder:
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/07/08/exclusive-unaccompanied-minors-admit-to-being-ms13-gang-members-engaging-in-torture-and-murder-n1859822
Fox:
MS-13 Gang Members Recruiting Inside Immigration Facility:
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/07/11/pavlich-ms-13-gang-members-recruiting-inside-immigration-facility
Daily Mail:
“An agent, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Townhall: ‘We have six minors in Nogales who have admitted to killing and doing grievous bodily injuries. One admitted to killing as young as eight years old.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690223/Teen-members-feared-MS-13-gang-admitted-torture-murder-trying-recruit-young-illegal-immigrants-border-center-U-S-powerless-stop-them.html#ixzz37NM97mAs
Peggy, you sure find some gems….thank you. We should be waging war on MS13.
Even the blacks in Chicago are turning against Obama.
Chicago Slams Obama: ‘Worst President Ever Elected’:
“Amid the daily grind of poverty and violence afflicting Chicago’s South Side, black residents spoke up Friday to express their disgust with President Barack Obama.
“Barack will go down as the worth president ever elected,” one man told Rebel Pundit. “Bill Clinton was the African-American President.”
Residents gathered in front of the Chicago Police Department headquarters to protest, questioning why federal dollars were being spent on immigrants while native Chicagoans suffered.
Some called for Obama’s resignation.
Others compared the modern situation in Chicago to the slavery of yesteryear.
“Today, if you look at the time that we were brought here as slaves 400 years ago,” one resident said, “we got the same results today.”
Watch the full video:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/13/chicago-slams-obama-worst-president-ever-elected/
The fact is that undocumented immigrants are actually less likely to commit crimes than legal residents. So using anecdotal evidence about crimes committed by immigrants really is just fear mongering.
http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/irb_june2010.pdf
Also: “Illegal” is not a noun.
And Nevada’s largest newspaper has turned on Reid.
Harry Reid Slammed By Hometown Paper For ‘Race-Baiting’:
“The largest newspaper in Nevada is taking Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to task, saying that the Democrat’s recent comments about Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas highlight a pattern of race card rhetoric.
“Harry Reid is the da Vinci of distraction,” reads the editorial from the Las Vegas Review-Journal, which was posted online Friday.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorial-colorblind-harry-reid-continues-divide
“The moment any scandal, policy failure or political defeat crashes down on him — and there have been plenty the past few years — the Senate majority leader unleashes outrageous rhetoric,” the editorial continues, adding that Reid “has become especially fond of slinging race cards just to crank up the outrage.”
“Sen. Reid’s slip was no accident,” reads the Review-Journal editorial. “He believes racial and ethnic minorities are ideologically monolithic constituencies who are incapable of independent or — gasp! — right-of-center thinking.”
“In the majority leader’s mind, Mr. Thomas is not an African-American because the justice doesn’t blindly subscribe to liberal orthodoxy,” the paper wrote, before pointing out other examples of Reid compartmentalizing minorities.”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/12/harry-reid-slammed-by-hometown-paper-for-race-baiting/
#34 Chris: “Also: “Illegal” is not a noun.”
It wasn’t before, but it became one since Obama became pres.
In 2010, (yup Obama was pres.) the DOJ even had a program named “Illegals”
So, if Obama’s DOJ uses it I guess it’s a noun after all.
From Wikipedia
Illegals Program:
“The Illegals Program, as it was called by the United States Department of Justice, was a network of Russian sleeper agents under non-official cover whose investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegals_Program
Thanks Jack, I think.
I get most of them on FB to pages I subscribe to. Most of them have links to other articles, which have links to other articles and so on and on. You get the picture.
One interesting article can lead me down a rabbit hole and off on a reading adventure.
Hey Libby, you want to justify this “illegal” molesting a little girl even though he’d been deported four times before? And don’t try and say she’d have been molested anyway by a legal resident either.
Mexican National Deported FOUR Times Allegedly Molests 9-Year-Old Girl:
“A Mexican national who records show has been deported from the U.S. four times was arrested Saturday for allegedly fondling a 9-year-old Texas girl.
According to the Parker County sheriff’s office, 35 year-old Israel Andrade allegedly broke into a Springtown, Tex. home around 6 a.m. and molested the young girl while her family was asleep, WFAA reports.
Following the attack, the girl ran screaming to wake her parents.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/13/four-time-deportee-arrested-for-allegedly-molesting-9-year-old-girl/#ixzz37T5HG8pQ
Libby I would like hear your answer to Peggy too! -jack
Chris: “So using anecdotal evidence about crimes committed by immigrants really is just fear mongering.”
Making excuses for people that have already broken the law just by crossing the border without going through our immigration process is pretty deplorable too but making excuses for criminals that have come here illegally and committed murder or rape is really depraved. The fact that there are fewer of them in a smaller population is meaningless. Does it change the fact that we have to deal with them in our already loaded prisons and courts and pay for their incarceration? No. Does it change the fact that Americans become their victims? No!
These are not positions to address the issue at all. They are positions that further the notion that our borders should be open. Is that hat you favor Chris…Libby? If so just say so and save all of us the time and effort.
You act like illegal crossings are acceptable? why? why shouldn’t people who want to come here go through the legal process? And why, when they do not and they commit a crime should anyone hold back their outrage? Illegal entry is an outrageous added layer of both criminal activity and added financial and services burden.
Our nation should have control of our borders.
If liberals want to express their sympathy let them create or find ways to help people within their own borders.
Re #34 Chris: “The fact is that undocumented immigrants are actually less likely to commit crimes than legal residents.”
Who said this is about what group commits more crimes? All illegal aliens have committed AT LEAST ONE CRIME by entering this country illegally in the first place (ya dope).
What this is about is the additional and system breaking pressures put on law enforcement, the judicial system, the health care system, the welfare system, and the failure to imprison or deport recalcitrant illegal immigrant criminals who commit multiple crimes.
Nice try at diverting the issue, Major Boob. This is not about “fear mongering” you contemptible, stupid, slur mongering left wing idiot, it is about facing reality. Nevertheless, even Epic Fail Boy would be impressed with your specious dodge of the issues at hand. The rest of us are not.
Why would I do that? Til now, he’s been deported. Now, he’s going to jail. What else do you think is supposed to happen?
I do fail to comprehend the moral or legal difference between a documented and undocumented child molestor. Both are heinous.
I’m saying that it makes no sense for you be, as you seemingly are, MORE insensed by an undocumented drunk driver, or child molester or whichever felonious scum-bucket … than by a documented one.
Tina: “And why, when they do not and they commit a crime should anyone hold back their outrage? Illegal entry is an outrageous added layer of both criminal activity and added financial and services burden.”
Pie: “Who said this is about what group commits more crimes? All illegal aliens have committed AT LEAST ONE CRIME by entering this country illegally in the first place (ya dope).”
While you are right that illegal entry is a criminal offense, about half of all illegal immigrants do enter legally, but lose legal status when their visa expires. The half that actually crosses the border illegally have committed a criminal offense, but the other half have committed a civil offense, not a crime.
http://www.nj.com/morristown/index.ssf/2008/04/christie_clarifies_illegal_imm.html
No one has made “excuses” for crimes committed by illegal immigrants, so shove the strawman arguments, Tina and Peggy. And please don’t try and deny that you are attempting to associate undocumented immigrants with crime, because that’s exactly what you’re doing, otherwise you wouldn’t even bring up the examples of crimes committed by individual immigrants. I disagree with CATO quite a lot, but their critiques of right-wing immigration rhetoric are on point.
#43 Libby: “I’m saying that it makes no sense for you be, as you seemingly are, MORE insensed by an undocumented drunk driver, or child molester or whichever felonious scum-bucket … than by a documented one.”
Are you really that dense? I’m not more “insensed” (need a dictionary Libby) by either. I’m incensed that both the child molesting and killing were committed by illegals who should not have been in the US to commit either crime. If they hadn’t been in the US neither crime would have been committed. They would NOT have been here. I don’t know how to make it more clear to you.
You can’t seriously be arguing that the little girl would have been molested any way by someone else, so what’s the big difference. That’s insane.
Think Libby, think. Come on I know you can do it.
Re #44 Major Boob Nonsense: “While you are right that illegal entry is a criminal offense, about half of all illegal immigrants do enter legally, but lose legal status when their visa expires. The half that actually crosses the border illegally have committed a criminal offense, but the other half have committed a civil offense, not a crime.”
No I am not half right, I am 100% correct: TRY READING AND COMPREHENDING WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE —
“All illegal aliens have committed AT LEAST ONE CRIME by entering this country illegally in the first place (ya dope).
What part of “entering this country illegally” do you not understand? I was not addressing expired visas and you are splitting linguistic hairs at an attempt to divert the issue. Nice try.
The illegal alien is, in fact, breaking the law by not leaving after his visa has expired. Breaking the law is generally considered a crime by us lay persons but the legally defined “civil offense” it is treated differently than a legally defined “criminal offense”. The parameters to obtain a conviction are are different between a civil case that in a criminal case. (You might want to go look those up.)
Nevertheless breaking the law is breaking the law, and that is a still the act of a criminal scofflaw no matter how the behavior is rigorously defined legally between civil and criminal cases.
But to please you, Major Boob, I shall rephrase —
All illegal aliens have committed AT LEAST ONE CRIME by entering this country illegally in the first place or have committed AT LEAST ON LAW BREAKING CIVIL OFFENSE by remaining after their legal visa has expired (ya dope).”
Happy now? 😀