by Jack
“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.” Samuel Adams
This is a great tactic that served our founders well, but it’s not the eclusive property of good causes.
As noted in my previous article, the liberal left in Chico and elsewhere are better organized than the right and because they are “setting brush fires”, they’re the one’s winning – we’re not!
I will never blame them for their activism, maybe for their low tactics and hidden agendas, but not for their activism – we should all be so motivated! They are true believes in their cause and this is what’s lacking within the conservative voters. So, if blame is warranted – then blame the conservative rank and file who once had it all and then lost it in a daze of apathy and sluggish leadership.
The rightwing always seems so preoccupied with “more important things” than local elections where the voter turnout is pathetic, but local elections are the “headwaters” for what follows in larger elections and too many of us lose sight of that.
The right-wingers are generally focused on family, work, and after that there’s not much time left for activism. So, for understandable reasons they frequently failed to match their opposition in education, enthusiasm and ideas and slowly the opposition gains political ground. With each passing election, from small to large, the political boiling pot became hotter. When the conservatives finally saw what their lack of vigilance wrought it was too late! Trying to recoup what was lost is far harder than fighting to keep it. That’s a lesson that was learned the hard way in California! Now it’s advantage left and chances are the right won’t be making a comeback for a very, very long time. The socialist democrats here hold the high ground and the right is left to wonder what the heck happened? Millions of conservative voters in CA are now disenfranchised. This is how the nation will go too unless changes are made in the conservative ranks.
Our losses were foreseeable… and we were forewarned when Adams said, “No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.”
Agree Jack. The right has failed at lighting fires and the left has been very good at throwing water on our flames every time we try too!
“…On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.”
Let us hope that the activist left, drunk with the power they built for themselves with high energy and feel-good packaging, albeit unscrupulous tactics, will begin to “sink under their own weight”
There are signs that the younger generations are waking up to the destructive elements of liberal policy. It is up to us to show them that although not perfect, nothing is, conservative policy offers more opportunity for more people with fewer in need of assistance. let’s hope the social message,live and let live, can also be adequately communicated. Conservatives have no real desire to control anyone life or business. Reasonable, simple laws and regulation allow a plethora of choices and differences without imposing ideals.
Wouldn’t that make your lot the over-emotional, easily manipulated dimwits?
Tee-Hee.
No. It would make our lot conservative…not overly emotional, quite practical, indubitably reasonable, and fond of freedom. Admittedly, not as entertaining or spectacular as the activist progressive. But that’s a damn good reason to put them in charge of serious matters while you artistic types stick to art, films and fantasy. Tee-hee.
Hey Libby, It’s your DemocRat party that’s known as, “Bleeding hearted liberals.”
The GOP was formed to stop slavery, because your party wanted to keep it.
Peggy … read some history.
Read some American History … think about the history you’ve read … and then we’ll talk.
Speaking of motivation, ever wonder how that whole Marxism/Socialism thing worked out?
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/sep/02/dying-russians/
Libby, I’m not anyone’s political cheerleader, but I do favor the conservative cause because they tend to be more pragmatic and they support things I think would help keep America strong and free. The GOP on the other hand is not necessarily conservative all the time. Sometimes the party takes a dive and throws principles out the window when they think a RINO can win the race. Conservatism is a way of life that embraces many social and business issues with a common sense approach.
Oh, and Peggy was right about Republicans wanting to stop slavery and democrats opposed the idea…seems like Lincoln had some things to say about that during the Civil War.
President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, but it was the entire Republican Party who freed the slaves. The 1864 Republican National Convention called for the abolition of slavery, and Congressional Republicans passed the 13th Amendment unanimously, with only a few Democrat votes.
The early women’s rights movement was solidly Republican, as it was a continuation of abolitionism. They were careful not to be overly partisan, but as did Susan B. Anthony, most suffragists favored the GOP. The 19th Amendment was written by a Republican senator and garnered greater support from Republicans than from Democrats.
The GOP was the party of prosperity – Low taxes, sound money, regulatory restraint: these were among the commonsense economic policies established by the GOP that brought about decades of prosperity after the Civil War.
The GOP on the other hand is not necessarily conservative all the time. Sometimes the party takes a dive and throws principles out the window when they think a RINO can win the race.
Wow , well said Jack, and because of that one comment conservative minded people want “the middle of the road so called conservatives” to sit down and let true Conservatives, be it Tea Party or ?? lead us back to what what the party WAS all about.
Win the seat at any cost, well Mr. GOP you have cost us a lot, and a lot of us are seeking other candidates because of it, understand it and adjust your win a all cost attitude back to find and run strong conservative principled candidates for us to choose from. I for one am not a “hold your nose” voter and if you run a RINO I will seek another to vote for.
Harold, we absolutely agree that it’s better to vote your conscience! How can anyone argue that you wasted your vote if you vote your conscience?
Like you, I have some bedrock ideals that I will not compromise and that determines the candidates I support. Don’t get me wrong, I’m flexible on many things, but I can’t undercut the founding principles of this nation, as found in our Bill of Rights, nor would any true conservative.
Liberals see ethics or principles as something to be determined by the times and the goals. They too often believe their ends justify their means…Lois Lerner, Barrack Obama, Eric Holder, Ward Churchill, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Maxine Waters, Anita Dunn, Valery Jarrett, Bob Mulholland, the list is too long to print, but it reads like a most un-wanted posted. It’s disturbing that the list is so long, it could fill pages here, but all the more reason for those of us with a backbone and a brain with strong sense of right and wrong to stand firm for our principles come what may.
#5 Libby, I’ve read the history. Here you read it.
“Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation officially made the abolition of slavery a goal of the war, but because it was a wartime edict, it freed only slaves from states in armed rebellion against the Union. There was a very good chance it wouldn’t apply once the war was over, and many believed the Supreme Court would rule the proclamation unconstitutional.
In an attempt to end slavery in the United States once and for all, Lincoln laid the groundwork for a constitutional amendment abolishing the institution in 1864. The Democratic Party opposed ratification, even though Lincoln tried to sweeten the pot by promoting financial compensation from the federal government to all slaveholders. Despite objections from the Democrats, the Republican-dominated Senate quickly passed the proposed amendment in April by a vote of thirty-eight to six. The House voted on it twice before it finally passed in January 1865 by a vote of 119 to fifty-six.
Lincoln signed the amendment in a symbolic gesture the very next day, and eight states ratified it within a week. The passage of the Thirteenth Amendment was celebrated with a 100-gun salute from artillery batteries on Capitol Hill. It took eight months for the rest of the states to follow suit, and Lincoln did not live to see it ratified. The Thirteenth Amendment was officially ratified on December 18, 1865.”
http://www.netplaces.com/american-civil-war/reconstruction-and-remembrance/the-official-end-of-slavery.htm
Note below Libby, Pres. Lincoln was a Republican too.
GOP History:
“Grand New Party
It began in a little schoolhouse in Ripon, Wisconsin, in 1854. A small group of dedicated abolitionists gathered to fight the expansion of slavery, and they gave birth to a Party dedicated to freedom and equal opportunity.
The name “Republican” was chosen, alluding to Thomas Jefferson’s Democratic-Republican Party and conveying a commitment to the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
The Party was formally organized in July 1854 by thousands of anti-slavery activists at a convention in Jackson, Michigan. And it was no accident that two years later, in 1856, the first Republican National Convention took place in Philadelphia, where the Constitution was written.
Party of Freedom
Though popularized in a Thomas Nast cartoon, the GOP’s elephant symbol originated during the 1860 campaign, as a symbol of Republican strength. Republicans envisioned “free soil, free speech, free labor.” Under the leadership of President Abraham Lincoln, the GOP became the Party of the Union as well.
President Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation, but it was the entire Republican Party who freed the slaves. The 1864 Republican National Convention called for the abolition of slavery, and Congressional Republicans passed the 13th Amendment unanimously, with only a few Democrat votes.
The early women’s rights movement was solidly Republican, as it was a continuation of abolitionism. They were careful not to be overly partisan, but as did Susan B. Anthony, most suffragists favored the GOP. The 19th Amendment was written by a Republican senator and garnered greater support from Republicans than from Democrats.”
Continued..(Interesting reading for those needing to learn about a party they know nothing about. Hint Libby)
http://www.gop.com/our-party/our-history/
Hey, Libs try doing a little reading before you shoot your mouth off about something you know nothing about.
Hey Libby, in case you missed it, did you see it was Republicans who supported the first Women Right’s Movement more than the Dems did?
And it was a REPUBLICAN who wrote the 19th Amendment. His name was Aaron Sargent and he was a senator from Calif.
“The Nineteenth Amendment’s text was drafted by Susan B. Anthony with the assistance of Elizabeth Cady Stanton.[11] The proposed amendment was first introduced in the Senate, colloquially as the “Anthony Amendment”, by Republican Senator Aaron A. Sargent of California. Sargent, who had met and befriended Anthony on a train ride in 1872, was a dedicated women’s suffrage advocate. He had frequently attempted to insert women’s suffrage provisions into unrelated bills, but did not formally introduce a constitutional amendment until January 1878.[12] Stanton and other women testified before the Senate in support of the amendment.[13] The proposal sat in a committee until it was considered by the full Senate and rejected in a 16 to 34 vote in 1887.[11]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
Peggy…now that was a gotcha moment if I ever saw one, good for you. The score now stands at Peggy 1126 v Libby 0.
It is common knowledge, to the historically informed, that both the Dem and Repug parties of today bear virtually no resemblance to their 19th century incarnations.
But Peggy is not historically informed … and does not know this. Her attempts to score, based on her ignorance, are not effective … with anybody except the other ignoramuses.
Jack: “How can anyone argue that you wasted your vote if you vote your conscience?”
Only from the standpoint that your vote helped elect someone directly opposed to everything your conscience directs. There is no way of knowing to what degree this contributes to the state of our nation and state but it doesn’t help. A lot of Republicans chose to stay home rather than vote for an imperfect candidate and it gave us Barack Obama.
People have to do what they think is right; they also have to live with the consequences and that’s not always easy or good in terms of principles and ethics. Voting is serious business.
Tina, this is sort of a Catch 22 situation. But, in my mind if you vote for the candidate of your choice and your side loses at the ballot box, the loss is not yours. The loss belongs to the people who for whatever reasons waffled on GOP principles and backed a RINO. They should be accountable for the loss. Because they did not support a more principled candidate. However, in the general election I feel if you are faced with no other choice than to vote for a RINO or let the other side win be default, then by all means vote for the RINO and hope for the best. I should have said that earlier, so thanks for giving me the chance to be more specific.
“No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.” –
Adams had a battle to which we fight today.
Hamilton was a double agent with England and had control of Adam’s Cabinet at the end.
The Oligarchy was throwing a coup as they are today. tea Party always misuses quotes.
The very 1st admin of G Washington had to fight a corporate coup!
Jefferson actually saved democracy. Jefferson would have fought tooth and nail against the Tea Party today.
Furthermore to imply only a conservative cares about family is absurd.
The founding fathers are turning in their graves over the GOP supporting Unlimited Money in Politics to take over. Unlimited Money is Politics is a recipe for corruption.
Look at the corruption in politics and those who are being indicted and tell me conservatives are the gem jewels of America…. Every Politician is now no more than a Lobbyist in a place called Congress for those who fund their campaign.
Canada had to put out a travel warning to the USA, police illegal search and seizure of cash and property.
One can live in a bubble but that does not make it true.
GOP writes bills for big regulation on people and less on Corporations. That is about shareholders profit over family values.
The Republican federal Judge in AL who beat his wife while she was on the phone with police is not about family values, nor was his punishment of anger management classes and back to the bench.
Americans are not left and right. Americans are a diverse community of people.
Your Politicians represent you by what they do and the Tea Party has not written bills for the human people. There are bad democrats as well …
Suppressing the vote and further contributing to the ignorance of Americans is not Democratic.
Sorry but those are your views not reality.
In today’s world Adams was fighting something equivalent to the Koch tea party today. He would not be your friend.
#13 Libby, you are a poster child for your party of idiots. You refuse to acknowledge the facts when they’re put right under your nose and instead choose to believe the lies you liberals have trumpeted to rewrite our history.
Only a fool would believe anything coming out of a progressive Democrat’s mouth. Just look at what Obama and Hillary have said since 2007 for proof.
I may not be a historian, but your level of ignorance puts me way ahead of you on the informed factor.
Thanks Jack. Do you know if Libby and Dewey are related?
Dewey: “Jefferson actually saved democracy. Jefferson would have fought tooth and nail against the Tea Party today.”
That would be the Tea Party of your vivid imagination which sees a boogie man behind every concerned business citizen on the right.
Soros and his millions in hidden political money has never bothered you, nor has Buffet money, or Union money. You never complain about Obamas million and half million dollar donations to Organizing for Action.
“…the Tea Party has not written bills for the human people.”
The Tea Party doesn’t write bills Dewey. Our representatives can propose laws but only those laws that garner enough support to pas both houses of the legislature and are signed by the President would affect you.
However…Far left radicals associated with Greenpeace and other activists organizations ARE writing laws that have already destroyed American citizens’ businesses through the EPA bypassing the legislative process completely!
You want to talk about the founders turning over in their graves you better start looking at the party and leadership you support.
“In today’s world Adams was fighting something equivalent to the Koch tea party today. He would not be your friend.”
An absolute damn lie!!!!!
Peggy the problem with Libby is she has only read history written by left radicals. they love to leave out pertinent information and often write through the filtered lens of progressive self-interest. They aren’t really historians…more like diary keepers of the teenage girl variety. Their account of the depression years was my first window into this, sadly its what our kids are learning.
No worries Speaker Boehner finds the most pressing issue of the time is to close down congress after Two 4 day working weeks to campaign for the election.
I mean Congress just does not get enough time off! They must use that donor money well and win for the oligarchy.
Funny whether people are ready for succession from the UK or not in Scotland they hate the conservative party in the UK and the rising cost of living by the conservative policies of austerity and privatization.
So no worries all Congress ever has to do is campaign 24/7 and go on corporate junkets…..
Now that’s the conservative way! Hip Hip Hooray!
Dewey, seems like the democrats take exactly the same time off and in CA democrats were steeped in scandal when they took lavish vacations on the taxpayers dime or their campaign money which is highly illegal. It’s odd you chose to only mention republicans? But, you couldn’t possibly be biased could you? Nah.
I agree Tina that Lib’s problem is her liberal-biased education has given her a perverted version of US history.
What is amazing is her refusal to read the truth when it is presented to her, and her inability to accept that her party doesn’t walk on water and has flat out lied to her generation and others.
The facts are the facts.. let them lie as they land. I give Woodrow Wilson credit for getting the 19th Amendment passed, even though I think he was a horrible progressive liberal Democrat who did awful things to this country. But, credit also needs to go to the Republican Senator Aaron Sargent who drafted the 19th Amendment and presented it to Congress years before. Both acts were good, noble and the right thing to do. It gave women the right to vote and was the beginning of the women’s equal rights movement.
Republican’s problem, as you’ve pointed out, is we let the Democrats get away with rewriting history and not standing up to them and correcting the lies they’ve been selling. The fact that Libby doesn’t know the truth about slavery is partly our fault, but not too late to correct.
Well, on second thought it may be too late for Libby, but there has to be others who want to know the truth and who will listen.
Dewey: “No worries Speaker Boehner finds the most pressing issue of the time is to close down congress after Two 4 day working weeks to campaign for the election.”
Given Harry Reid is blocking all House bills in the Senate, and given all Obama has done is campaign and raise money for the last six (actually 8) years that shouldn’t be a problem.
Dewey the corporate feed bag has just about gagged the Democrat Party due to all of the union money they already feed on.
Practice what you preach, sir, or quit your preachin!
Austerity is what happens when progressives run out of other peoples money! Put on your thinking cap, dude, you got everything a$$ backwards!
More from our do nothing Senate Leader.
Senators Skip Town Despite Harry Reid’s Promise ‘There Will Be No Weekends Off’:
“Just days before the Senate took a five-week summer recess, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., warned his colleagues that, come September, “There will be no weekends off.”
In a July 31 address on the Senate floor, Reid detailed a handful of tasks that would keep the Senate busy throughout the month of September:
We need to pass appropriations measures to keep the government from shutting down, we need to pass a temporary extension of the Internet Tax Freedom Act, we need to do something, of course, as I just mentioned, about Ex-Im Bank. We have to do the defense authorization bill which is extremely important for the fighting men and women of this country. We are going to address the [Senator Mark] Udall constitutional amendment on campaign finance reform and we’re going to reconsider a number of issues — college affordability, minimum wage, Hobby Lobby, student debt. So we have a lot of work to do.
He added: “Following the August recess, we’re going to be here for two weeks and two days. That’s not a lot of time for the workload we have to do. There will be no weekends off.”
It didn’t take long for Reid to abandon that promise, however.
Last week, Reid gave the Senate a three-day weekend and this week the Senate again adjourned early. Senators won’t be back in Washington until a lame-duck session following the Nov. 4 midterm elections, leaving many of the issues Reid listed either unaddressed or unresolved.”
video..
http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/19/senators-skip-town-despite-harry-reids-promise-will-weekends/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Thanks Peggy, I was going to post that too but had other things I had to do. Like I said Dewey has everything a$$ backwards!
Post the democrats complained about the Speaker closing down Congress and many are still there working
Only the Speaker of the House can open Congress
But deflect from the point
They are suppose to be in session right now and there are issues of great importance but you seem to not care
Now if Obama was speaker of the house how would this read? The same? LOL
Tina No I have it forward. La Malfa would not even call Himself tea party on his town Hall call you think he is so loyal? I have it recorded. He more or less called you guy “Some Tea Party people out there” FACT
You have your Vote I have mine. La Malfa got my vote last time he lost it by the farm bill. He collects subsidies he does not need and rewrote it to sneak them in other wording.
I will not vote for a man who collects tax welfare for rice that is not even what Americans eat. It is a Japanese rice and If I had time I bet I could find he exports most of it.
La Malfa is on subsidy welfare he does not need.
The Farm Bill was awful so vote for him
La malfa has the money in this election
A man once said:
Special-interest groups and PACs play a big part in this conspiracy, too, because they have made a substantial investment in the incumbent, and they want to protect that investment. This is why you see the incumbent leading his candidate around by the hand to all his big backers—assuring them it will be business as usual with the new guy.
The next job is to use all this corrupt money and power to make you believe this “endorsed” candidate is your best choice. This usually works, too; unfortunately the end result is a California Legislature that has an approval rating under 20 percent and is spending us into bankruptcy.
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/think-voters-pick-the-winner/content?oid=604541
That was correct and that candidate in this case is LA MALFA