Posted by Jack
The following are for the years 2003, 2004 and 2005, however the sampling of years reflects a consistent number over a give period of time. The study said, “States reported more than 2,000 arrest-related deaths from 2003 through 2005 — Homicides by Officers Made Up More Than Half of Such Fatalities”
Homicide by law enforcement in 2002-364, 2003-365, 2004-366, or 54.7% of the total custody related deaths due to police homicide (shooting).
In most States, the count of law enforcement homicides showed only small differences. In 33 States, looking at it from a per capita basis, they differed by fewer than 10 deaths over the 3 year period. Nine States reported counts that differed by at least 20 deaths over this period, with 5 States reporting higher counts. California had the largest measurement variation, reporting 354 homicides by law enforcement between 2003 and 2005. Florida reported 98 law enforcement homicides during the same period.
Here is the typical profile of the subject being shot and killed by police:
Nearly all of the decedents were (1) male, 98%, the average age was (2) 33 years old, and over 80% were killed by a handgun. Of those killed, (3) 30% were black.
Is 31% a high or low number? It does seem high to me,except…
The percentage of blacks being killed by police is actually less than expected when compared to Blacks being over-represented in criminal statistics.
Blacks accounted for over 39.4% of the prison population, but only about 100 blacks are shot and killed annually by police. Consider there are over 841,000 black males in prison, that is only about 1/10th of the total of all Blacks in prison. That means Blacks are not being killed in greater numbers than any other race. They are actually low when compared to per capita arrests as reflected by their over representation in the prison system.
Do you have any idea of how many arrests police must make to put 841,000 black males in prison? At a minimum it’s five arrests per inmate and likely a lot more. That is a lot of police officers arresting black males for serious crimes and yet only 100 of those are shot and killed resisting arrest in a given year.
I recall a study that said the typical criminal commits about 10-15 serious offenses before being arrested for the first time. And before going to prison most of them will have done county jail time on at least 5 occasions.
How do these statistics square with rhetoric coming from Black militants about police targeting black males?
A more recent law enforcement study reported:
“A 2007 special report released by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, reveals that approximately 8,000 — and, in certain years, as many as 9,000 African Americans are murdered annually in the United States. This chilling figure is accompanied by another equally sobering fact, that 93% of these murders are in fact perpetrated by other blacks. The analysis, supported by FBI records, finds that in 2005 alone, for example, African Americans accounted for 49% of all homicide victims in the US — again, almost exclusively at the hands of other African Americans.
•Black males were more vulnerable to violent victimization than black females.
•Younger blacks were generally more likely than older blacks to be victims of violence.
•Blacks who had never married were more likely than all other blacks to be victims of violence.
•Blacks in households with lower annual incomes were at a greater risk of violence than those in households with higher annual incomes.
•Blacks living in urban areas were more likely than those in suburban or rural areas to be victims of violence.
•Black victims of homicide were most likely to be male (85%) and between ages 17 and 29 (51%).
*According to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) non-Hispanic blacks accounted for 39.4% of the total prison and jail population in 2009 (841,000 black males and 64,800 black females out of a total of 2,096,300 males and 201,200 females).
Here’s the important point you need to remember: ONLY ABOUT 110 BLACKS CRIMINALS ARE SHOT AND KILLED EACH YEAR BY POLICE. compared to the millions of encounters police officers have with Blacks who are in some way involved with crime and this is an ongoing yearly kind of thing. This homicide number is regrettable, we would prefer it to be zero, but it is absolutely miniscule when compared to the bigger picture of law enforcement contacts with Blacks or Blacks killing Blacks.
UPDATE: (More Stats from FBI and DOJ)
1. ) In 2012 9,340,00 arrests 2,460 were Black that is 28.1% of the total. Blacks committed 49.4% of murders. 32.5% of rapes, 54.9% of robberies, 34.1% of aggravated assaults, 39.9% of weapons charges, 42.8% of commercialized vice, 31.2% of drug violations, 31.4% of offenses against family and children and that’s just a sampling. These statistics support one inescapable conclusion and that is Black Americans are over represented in the criminal justice system.
2. ) In the under 18 years of age category it gets even worse. Blacks committed 50.8% of homicides and 68.6 of robberies. Blacks were 51.5% of all violent crime. Between 1980 and 2008, young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories. These stats are not fake, they come from the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics Nov. 2011 NCJ 236018
Thanks for the look at the pertinent data with a reasoned eye. It cuts right through the bullsh*t spewed by militants, radical leftists, and addle-brained, hand wringing liberal milksops.
The only viable solution is fundamental transformation within the black community. They have the power to transform but they will have to listen to voices that address underlying problems responsibly.
Chris, first of all this is a blog, it is not my term paper or my college thesis. I try to report as much helpful information as I can to our readers in the shortest possible space. However, I’m under no obligation to cite every single source for every single factoid that I may mention, although I frequently do cite sources. And when asked for my sources I always make an honest effort to provide them when I can. You’re the only one who goes there – I can’t recall anyone else ever asking. Sometimes I think you do this just to make it difficult, so I will have less time to write.
Yes, I did get a few of the statistics from a report titled, “The Color of Crime”, so what? Those statistics seemed to be fairly consistent with other gov. statistics I found. This includes the FBI and Bureau of Justice Statistics. I was using multiple sources to gather my statistical data and I did this for the purposes of making a fair and honest effort to get it right. Most people would say, great- mission accomplished, but you seem beside yourself because you don’t like those statistics or one of my sources?
Well, I’m not going to let you use this site to paint my work as fake merely because you take exception to the statistics. I’ve had more than enough of your attacks, deflections as in bait and switch tactics and most of all your predictable leftist rhetoric that you tend to use when attacking almost everything Tina and I write.
If you disagreed with the statistics in my article why didn’t you simply provide your own and then cite your OWN sources? I think I know why.
Let’s go a little further here, since you brought it up, and for your approval here are my sources: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf
1. ) In 2012 9,340,00 arrests 2,460 were Black that is 28.1% of the total. Blacks committed 49.4% of murders. 32.5% of rapes, 54.9% of robberies, 34.1% of aggravated assaults, 39.9% of weapons charges, 42.8% of commercialized vice, 31.2% of drug violations, 31.4% of offenses against family and children and that’s just a sampling. These statistics support one inescapable conclusion and that is Black Americans are over represented in the criminal justice system. That’s the same conclusion you would reach from my original article that you tried to attack as false.
2. ) In the under 18 years of age category it gets even worse. Blacks committed 50.8% of homicides and 68.6 of robberies. Blacks were 51.5% of all violent crime. Between 1980 and 2008, young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories. These stats are not fake, they come from the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics Nov. 2011 NCJ 236018
So there it is, FBI and Dept. of Justice underscoring exactly what I had previously written. If you don’t like it you do not have the right to come here and attack the writer and accuse of misrepresentation. This will not be tolerated. We’ve been more than patient with you Chris, considering your frequent personal attacks on Tina and myself merely because of our opinions are contrary to yours.
Jack, not all of the stats were fake, but the ones I quoted from the New Century Foundation were.
And you did not answer my most important question:
Do you not see why it hurts your case to cite a white supremacist group to argue that racism is not a problem in the United States?
You’re right, though, that it’s not enough to critique your sources; I should show why the facts I quoted were wrong.
You copied and pasted this from the New Century Foundation, a white supremacist group:
“Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks.”
This is completely untrue. Blacks commit more violent crime against other blacks than against whites. This is true for all ethnic groups.
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/03/debunking-buc-3.html
It’s possible there is simply a word missing; it is true that blacks commit more violent crime against whites than whites commit against blacks.
“Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic.”
This is simply made up.
“Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.”
Nope.
From the SPLC:
“Through a combination of strange methodology and mathematical miscalculation, he ends up overstating his case.
First, Taylor excludes hate crimes based on religion, sexual orientation and disability. Then, using the remaining motivation categories of race and ethnicity, he says that 63 percent of these crimes were committed by whites, less than their 72 percent proportion of the population would suggest; and 19 percent were the work of blacks, even though blacks account for only 12 percent of Americans.
Thus, Taylor concludes, blacks are more likely to commit hate crimes while whites are less so.
These numbers are deceptive. If one looks at all hate crimes and all ethnic groups, the data show that whites are responsible for 75 percent of all hate crimes — higher than their proportion in the population — while the black rate remains at 19 percent.
Corrected for population, these numbers mean that blacks are 1.37 times more likely to commit hate crimes than all other races combined — a far cry from the 1.99 rate that Taylor advances. Whites, too, commit more hate crimes than all other races combined, but only slightly more so.
This type of exaggeration is typical of the poor methodology Taylor employs in his analysis.
Taylor also asserts that “millions of ordinary interracial crimes” should really be considered hate crimes — an insupportable conclusion. Hate crimes are not simply crimes committed between persons of different races.
They are crimes that are motivated by the race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or other group characteristic of the victim. A black man’s robbery of a store owned by a white businessman is not a hate crime unless the offender, motivated by animus toward whites, chose the store simply because the owner was white.”
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2000/summer/coloring-crime?page=0,1
This is all fine, but exactly where does it depart from the essence of the article? Nowhere. Focus here Chris! The article was about Blacks being almost 3X more likely to be in the criminal justice system and that is reflected that they are similarly over-represented in officer involved homicides. When you find something that proves that is wrong, feel free to send it in, but until then quite quibbling over minutia. And yes, there was a misquote in one line from the report that sent you into orbit. I’ll fix it if you will just calm down, okay?
Jack, you’re right that most of your stats were accurate, but I don’t think I’m quibbling. I think it is a serious issue that you, and so many others in the right-wing blogosphere, are so commonly fooled by information from white supremacist web sites. I think it matters that you copied and pasted false statistics that came from a white supremacist site in order to strengthen your argument that racism against blacks is not common in the U.S., and that Tina did the same thing, using info from the same site, less than a month ago.
You seem to disagree that this matters, but I can’t tell why, because you won’t address this part of my argument. I’m trying to understand–why don’t you think this matters?