by Jack
Our Divider-in-Chief said this about the police brutality charge, “This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.” He went on to say we see things like this happening almost every week now, implying something is broken in law enforcement and it needs to be fixed. Hillary Clinton said about the same. “We have to restore order and security. But then we have to take a hard look as to what we need to do to reform our system.”
Hillary implies Baltimore police must be guilty, because she refers to Freddy Gray’s death as, “The tragic death of another young African-American man….” Her words “another young African-American man” quite clearly indict the cops as the responsibles. This was said at a Manhattan fund raiser 2 days ago.
Obviously, Mrs. C is trying to score points among liberal pals, but at what cost to law enforcement? And how responsible is that for a person who would be president? Her timing couldn’t be worse for us and I’m genuinely worried we’re headed for serious trouble if we don’t scale back on the rhetoric.
Hillary and Obama are saying the cops are guilty until proven innocent. However, national crime statistics do not support their rush to judgment, nor do the facts in the last two cases that sparked rioting.
Okay, it’s true that stats don’t always tell the whole story. And every year we do see a ton of alleged police misconduct complaints, (nothing new here) but it’s the rare occasion there was actual police misconduct involved. Lets be real, stats are a piece of the puzzle, and when we look at individual cases, a true picture develops. This rational analysis completely refutes the narrative by Clinton, Obama, and others.
Blacks and their liberal co-dependents buy into the race lies way too easy for many reasons, but mostly because they all want to believe what they are invested in to thinking. Case in point: “Hands up – don’t shoot!” Totally false, proven 100% false. However, almost every black representative in Congress rushed to repeat the lie to show their solidarity with the black criminal. These so-called “leaders” have their own agendas that I suspect doesn’t have much to do with justice and racial harmony.
We’ve frequently heard: “Facts don’t matter when black lives are lost!” What brand of crazy is that?
The police abuse incidents caught on camera should never be taken lightly, each deserves investigation. However, we’re a nation of over 320,000,000 people and about 90% of adults carry cell phone cameras and that’s a lot of civilian scrutiny. It’s unprecedented oversight in history! Cops can’t get in a scrape without a someone with a camera showing up, yet we can find no more than handful of police abuse. Three times Obama set out to make a case against the police and three times, when the facts came out he looked foolish, but that hasn’t stopped him from trying again with the Freddy Gray case.
Let’s take our look at some simple logic: There are 765,000 sworn officers in America and they make about 12.5 million arrests each year, that’s a lot of opportunity for police abuse. Considering the black on black violence, the guns in the hands of black criminals and gangs, and cops incredibly outnumbered as they confront armed black criminals it’s amazing there are only about 100 black males killed (justifiably) each year by police. That number reflects a lower percentage of blacks being killed than whites, in terms of per capita arrests. Black violence is 3 to 1 greater than white violence and yet cops shooting blacks numbers less than white deaths. What does this tell you?
If the cops were as bad as black leaders like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc., we would have more than couple of cops per year shooting blacks without justification.
Whatever you think the problem is, police aren’t it.
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Freddie Gray banged his head and body into the cage of the police van, (it appeared that he was trying to hurt himself). He was extremely irate. He had not been seat belted in by police, so says an eye witness, a prisoner being transported with Gray to the police station.
Here’s a fair question: Was Freddie setting up the cops and looking for looking for another lawsuit? Remember, he initiated the contact with police, then when he had their attention he bolted as if he had just committed a crime. And we also know Gray had just won (but had not been paid) a frivolous lawsuit and was about to settle for $18,000 in cash. This came from a sleazy class action suit over lead paint. This fat settlement could have been a motivator to take advantage of the police brutality narrative so popular among blacks at the moment and collect another even fatter settlement. Everyone knows cops are on the ropes right now and any misconduct charge grabs a lot of attention and a host of ambulance chasers too.
Nobody believes anything from Obumble any more.
And EVERY time ShrilLIARy gives a speech, reporters should be asking questions about her complicity in the “blame the video” coverup on Benghazi, her missing emails and the hidden donors and payoffs to the Bubba foundation.
All else is irrelevant until those questions are answered.
It is real easy to blame the police. if was caught doing something wrong i might think of blaming them to. not saying i would break the law but if i was of that persuasion that thought would difinitely cross my mind. there is probably a lot of reasons why african-americans are mad at the police, some legit some not but i havent seen nothing worth rioting over. maybe if i was black i would see it different but I am not white either and cops treat me ok.
J. Soden: “the “blame the video” coverup on Benghazi,”
As you already know, no such coverup existed. There is objective proof that the terrorists who attacked Benghazi did cite the video as their motivation. This is a fact. I have posted this proof before, and you can easily find it yourself by doing a very simple Google search.
Continuing to suggest that the administration “blamed the video” by acknowledging the fact the video was the motivation of the terrorists (while at the same time making it clear that this was not a valid excuse for violence), and that said acknowledgment amounts to a “cover-up” when it was the actual truth of the situation, is a lie.
Please do not tell this lie again.
Jack: “That number reflects a lower percentage of blacks being killed than whites, in terms of per capita arrests. Black violence is 3 to 1 greater than white violence and yet cops shooting blacks numbers less than white deaths. What does this tell you?”
It tells me that you really shouldn’t quit your day job to become a statistician. What is relevant is not the absolute number of blacks killed by police compared to the absolute number of whites killed. There are more white people in America than black people; of course the number of white people killed by police officers is larger. What is relevant is the percentages of blacks and whites killed by police relative to their respective percentages of the population. Your own numbers that you have cited her before have shown that by this metric, blacks are more likely to be shot by the police than whites. Now you can argue that this is a result of the high black crime rate, but that is still a very different claim than what you are saying here.
Chris, I think it is you who should not be a statistician. I was pointing out that blacks have three times the arrest rates over whites, that means three time more opportunity to be shot by police, yet they are shot in a number about equal to or less than whites…on average.
” What is relevant is the percentages of blacks and whites killed by police relative to their respective percentages of the population.” C’mon Chris get real! You are blatantly wrong and I doubt even Rachel Madow would agree with you on this one.
The only way your version would work is, if all races commit crime in the same proportion to their numbers and the do not. Blacks are by far the most overrepresented in arrests and that alone is significant to something wrong somewhere.
You can say the cops are picking on them or the judges treat them harsher, but there’s no proof of that. I could say that blacks commit more crime and there is proof of that, because they confess, or they are convicted evidence and this means they are directly connected to the offense. These crimes are not made up Chris and the finger of guilt points at blacks doing crime far greater than any other segment of our society.
You can look at the whole pie chart for crime and see they are overrepresented or just pull out one slice, like homicide, and see they are overrepresented.
How do you explain the black on black homicides Chris? There’s no cops involved, no whites involved, no judge/jury involved, just blacks killing other blacks and being caught for it.
You might try to say, well, people living in poverty are just desperate and this leads to many ills, including crime and drug abuse. But, how is that poor Chinese, poor Pacific Islanders, poor Eskimos, etc., don’t resort to killing each like blacks do, because they too have had their fair share of poverty.
Gee, must be something else involved…I wonder what it could be?
Could teaching people they are victims have something to do with it? Constantly teaching them they are held down because of white bigotry and oppression by the rich…could that create tough attitudes? Could absent fathers and working mothers, lead kids to gang involvement in the hood? Could trillions of dollars wasted on poverty projects that lower the bar for blacks, makes them dependent on government and teaches them they need the liberals help, could that have anything to do with a bad attitude and lack of progress? Oh, there are plenty of questions we could ask, but I wonder if have you ever considered any of them before? Hmmmm? Liberals don’t like to ask such honest things, better to blame conservatives and call it close enough.
PS Why are blacks overrepresented in crime in the Nederland’s, UK, and France. Bad cops or liberals?
Off Topic:
On April 30, 1961 the great Willie Mays hit 4 home runs in one game. I was a Cub Scout then and Willie Mays was my hero and he still is a hero.
Pie, my Dad and I would listen to the Giants game on this big Zenith radio. This was back in the late 50’s. We had TV in the 60’s of course, but we preferred hearing the game until TV got better. This was when Willie Mays was playing with greats like Juan Marichal, Filipe Alou, Tom Haller, Orlando Cepeda and Willy McCovey, remember those guys? We would listen to the game and he would tell me lots of little facts about the players… it made it more interesting. I never even thought of race and my Dad never said anything about it either. These men were my idols and they were worthy of that too. They were really good people and great ball players. The “Say Hey Kid” was one of the best, and Willie was a good man. I can’t remember the Giants announcer, but he really called a good game, really great voice, I can still hear him even now.
Here we go again with the Great Chris Lie:
“There is objective proof that the terrorists who attacked Benghazi did cite the video as their motivation.”
And thusly that was their motivation BECAUSE THEY SAID SO!!!! (Despite all the planning that had to have gone on long before the video even existed.)
IDIOT!
There is objective proof that the administration did in word and deed adhere to the phony video excuse for weeks even though they knew better.
IDIOT!
The liar here is, as usual, Chris.
Addendum To The Above:
Chris The Liar And Idiot
The Obama administration was warned about security issues in Benghazi long before there was ever any internet video given as an excuse for the attack. The security issues at the consulate were ignored and not addressed.
Off topic.
Ever hear of the Constitution Party? I hadn’t, but it does look like something I’d be interested in since I no longer support or agree with the Republican party.
Check this out and be sure to watch the video. The woman covers a long list of interesting topics including Mark Levin’s “convention of states.” I’m no longer sure I agree with Levin any more. Have to check out what she says.
“Straight Talk about an Article V Convention from Publius Huldah on Vimeo.
Exposes some of the falsehoods we are being told about the so-called “convention of states”.
link w/ video
http://www.constitutionparty.com/#
Peggy, yep I have heard of them. Don’t know much about them unfortunately. Will check out the link…thanks.
Re #10: Oh yeah, I grew up on all those guys with a 9v transistor radio and an ear plug. Including those occasions when I was in the bleachers.
Years later I learned that Willie Mays was somehow blocked from buying a house in my home town because he was a negro. I do not remember the details, but the agonizing and ridiculous shame of that has never left my consciousness. It was when I first learned how ugly racism is.
I am pretty sure the KNBR radio announcer at that time was Lon Simmons.
Yeah, Lon Simmons…that was the guy! Wow, that sure brings back a lot of good memories.
Jack: “Chris, I think it is you who should not be a statistician. I was pointing out that blacks have three times the arrest rates over whites, that means three time more opportunity to be shot by police, yet they are shot in a number about equal to or less than whites…on average.”
Sorry I misunderstood; you have a point. From what I was able to find the arrest rate of blacks is about three times that of whites, and the number of fatalities at the hands of police among blacks is also about three times that of whites. This seems to fit.
However, there’s still the question of whether this arrest rate is justified. I have little doubt that African-Americans are statistically more likely to commit crimes than whites, because African-Americans are much more likely to be poor. But there is also a lot of evidence that African-Americans are more likely to be arrested than whites for the same crime, and that their sentencing is harsher, especially for drug crimes.
“Drug Sentencing Disparities
About 14 million Whites and 2.6 million African Americans report using an illicit drug
5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites
African Americans represent 12% of the total population of drug users, but 38% of those arrested for drug offenses, and 59% of those in state prison for a drug offense.
African Americans serve virtually as much time in prison for a drug offense (58.7 months) as whites do for a violent offense (61.7 months). (Sentencing Project)”
http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/30/white-people-are-more-likely-to-deal-drugs-but-black-people-are-more-likely-to-get-arrested-for-it/
Chris, “Sorry I misunderstood; you have a point. From what I was able to find the arrest rate of blacks is about three times that of whites, and the number of fatalities at the hands of police among blacks is also about three times that of whites. This seems to fit.”
Thank you for your honesty. I am always pleased when we can have a meeting of the minds.
Next, you ask a really good question, is the black arrest rate justified?
I’m putting quite a bit of trust on the system now, but I think its pretty close to being justified for a number of reasons, including the checks and balances in our justice system.
There’s always room for a certain amount of race based bias, but my personal experience tells me that white cops tend to exercise more discretion in favor of blacks – they are well aware of the political climate. Because they are acutely aware of the accusations against the police by blacks, they really do try to give them a break when they can, I’ve seen it over and over. This also showed up in the shoot-don’t shoot study I cited. The latter results took everyone by surprise because they were almost 180 out of what is the prevailing perception. I wasn’t surprised at all. Police do tend to hesitate longer before using force (even deadly force where they are at high risk) if the suspect is black because of the political climate…I’ve seen this over and over. My son who is a big city cop will say the same thing.
It’s also true that black cops tend to be harder on black suspects. I can only speculate why, but I do know from my personal experience that they do tend to be harder on other blacks than a white officer would normally be.
While we’re on this, you know that some police departments have reputations built around use of force verses limited force. Two polar apart agencies would be Berkeley v Oakland and yet the are side by side. Demographics have a lot to do with how police behave. I worked in a department that had Oakland’s reputation and it came about because of our clientele. In my area, a Berkeley type officer would have would got his clock cleaned over and over until he was fed up and left or was injured and gone.
By the way, I had the rare privilege of patrolling the streets of South Chicago for a short time. The hostility and racism was so apparent you could get yourself killed really easy if you showed weakness or made the wrong move at the wrong time and cops did get killed and lots of black on black homicides too. This was one of the toughest places I’ve ever seen and I’ve been in some real S- holes. At night in the Southside the thugs roamed at will, they had no respect for authority. Killing another thug for just mean mugging you was SOP. Gang killings – SOP. It was just accepted that this was the way it works in Chicago.
Oakland blacks are lightweights compared to Chicago blacks, the latter are a whole new level of bad and it’s been brought on by generations of neglect. That place is a total powder keg waiting to explode.
I was in Baltimore briefly and it reminded me a lot of Oakland and Richmond. These are tough cities with high crime and a dominate black population that is steeped in poverty, prostitution, drugs, crime, and neighborhood gangs. This makes the odds of growing up without a rap sheet about zero. What do you think this does to cops? Think about years in virtual combat, constantly exposed to the worst society has to offer? It takes a special kind of cop not to get caught up in the brutal life in hardcore ghetto cities. You probably wouldn’t even want to drive your car through some of the neighborhoods I’ve worked in. I was armed and I didn’t feel safe, so I know you wouldn’t. It shouldn’t be like that in America – we ought to be better people.
Pie Guevara: “And thusly that was their motivation BECAUSE THEY SAID SO!!!! (Despite all the planning that had to have gone on long before the video even existed.)
IDIOT!”
I beg you to read one of the many congressional reports on this subject before you expose your ignorance any further. You might want to start with the GOP-led House report. Along with every other report issued, it found no evidence that the attack on Benghazi took more than a few days of “advanced planning.”
“Chris The Liar And Idiot
The Obama administration was warned about security issues in Benghazi long before there was ever any internet video given as an excuse for the attack. The security issues at the consulate were ignored and not addressed.”
Yes, that’s correct. What that has to do with a “phony video cover-up” is beyond me.
Chris: “As you already know, no such coverup existed.”
Not for want of trying. The truth is the attempt to cover up and delay was thwarted only because old media no longer has the power to control the narrative for the Democrat Party leadership!!
You are so naive!
We will never get to the root of this problem until we are ready to admit that the Great Society Welfare spending of the last 40 or 50 years has failed. Miserably. It is compounded by extreme union control of inner city education which, also, has failed. Miserably.
Americans, white black brown or other, deserve something better than the soul decaying social programs that have buried the poor in suffering and misery.
Until both sides of the political isle can admit to this, I don’t see us reaching a real solution anytime soon. I will be looking for a Presidential candidate who can admit to these truths.
Tina: “Not for want of trying. The truth is the attempt to cover up and delay was thwarted only because old media no longer has the power to control the narrative for the Democrat Party leadership!!”
Tina, do you believe that the Republicans who wrote the House report on Benghazi are part of the attempt to “control the narrative for the Democratic Party leadership?” Because they found no evidence of an attempted cover-up by the White House in this instance. None. Zero. Zilch. Zip. It does not exist.
And that’s because the video was clearly a big part of the motivation of the terrorists who attacked Benghazi. This has been proven, and no one here has made anything resembling an effective counter-argument against this overwhelming proof.
Steve: “We will never get to the root of this problem until we are ready to admit that the Great Society Welfare spending of the last 40 or 50 years has failed. Miserably.”
This statement seems easily proven true or false; if it’s true, then we should see that the poverty rate after the implementation of the Great Society is greater than the poverty rate before it.
So can you explain why the opposite is true? If the Great Society is responsible for “burying the poor in suffering and misery,” why is it that the poverty rate since the implementation of welfare has never–not once–gone as low as the poverty rates prior to the Great Society programs? I have never heard a convincing answer to this question.