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The rush to judgement in the moron media without having any facts is legion. And the next time someone cries “race” perhaps they should just be laughed at.
Thanx, Harold!
A little off topic, but still filed under stuff we are not being told—
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Headline:
Union: Hackers have personnel data on every federal employee
Excerpt:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Hackers stole personnel data and Social Security numbers for every federal employee, a government worker union said Thursday, charging that the cyberattack on U.S. employee data is far worse than the Obama administration has acknowledged.
Excerpt:
J. David Cox, president of the American Federal of Government Employees, said in a letter to OPM director Katherine Archuleta that based on OPM’s internal briefings, the hackers stole military records and veterans’ status information, address, birth date, job and pay history, health insurance, life insurance, and pension information; age, gender, race data.
The letter was obtained by The Associated Press.
Link:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/union-hackers-personnel-data-every-federal-employee-195138422–finance.html
If every single word of that article is true, it still does not justify the insane overreaction of the officer who assaulted a teenage girl who was walking away from him as she was instructed. That is the only part of this case that is newsworthy.
Chris the cop’s action was not “insane,” get a grip.
The cops action when he put the girl on the ground (She was not “assaulted”) was SOP. She was being disrespectful, uncooperative, and defiant.
The cop un-holstered his gun, without pointing it at anyone. This was a self defense measure taken when youths came up behind him talking trash. He immediately re-holstered the gun when the potential threat was gone. This is also most likely SOP or at the very least a very smart move given the situation and the cop hating atmosphere.
Thanks to racist activists, from the White House on down, these incidents have become even more intense than usual for police officers as well as for anyone in the vicinity that isn’t involved. cops have become targets and a signal has been sent to black youths that they get a pass no matter what they do. The message is that they are entitled to be disrespectful, angry, and violent. The message is they can form mobs to trash property and push whites around. That is what’s insane about all of this…the ginning up of racial tensions for votes…it’s sick!
There is NO EXCUSE for the behavior of the punks that created the problem
OMG I will not even vet the story first of all it is Breibart. Not reputable.
There was a cop who blew it. That article was trying to smear the people.
There are new pictures out. That cop pointed his gun at the person filming at one point. He was abusive to others. The pictures are out. He is gone. he was not worthy of a badge.
There is nothing that advocates how that officer acted. He was allowed to resign.
So exactly what justifies his actions?
Maybe I should ask this if that was a white child and a Black cop would people here be as upset?
or would that Black cop have been touching the white girl inappropriately.
Tina: “The cops action when he put the girl on the ground (She was not “assaulted”) was SOP.”
Not according to the officer’s own police chief.
“”Our policies, our training, our practice, do not support his actions,” Police Chief Greg Conley said. “He came into the call out of control, and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/10/teen-arrested-at-pool-party/28778459/
“She was being disrespectful, uncooperative, and defiant.”
Please explain what you mean here. In the video, the officer orders the girl to walk away. She then walks away. Exactly what about that is “disrespectful, uncooperative, and defiant?”
Please explain.
The only “insane overreaction” and “assault” I have seen regarding the McKinney incident is from the demented wannbe Sharpton twit.
Off Topic —
Racist redneck Colorado restaurant hosts “White Appreciation Day.” Police scan area with bomb sniffing a dog.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/11/white-appreciation-day-at-rubbin-buttz-bbq-makes-c/
I’m with Tina. The cop would not have acted as he did without the provocation of the girl and the two boys who came up behind him.
According to an article I read the cop dealing with this girl was the first one on the scene and the only one until the other cops showed up.
RE #4 – Well said, Tina!
With all the faux-anti-government posers who claim to distrust government while reflexively defending even the worst abuses of the enforcers of government power, it’s good to know that Reason.com stays true to its principles:
“Some conservatives, unfortunately, are falling over themselves to defend the police—the one kind of public employee who can do no wrong in the eyes of all-too many people on the right…Maybe children, particularly minority children, don’t respect the police because of encounters like this one. Maybe the fact that police officers make arbitrary and discriminatory demands of them—and react violently when they don’t comply—poisons their ability to respect authority. While not each and every instance of police misbehavior can be chalked up to racism, it certainly seems like the presumption that black kids were doing something wrong was at play here.
I’m not claiming that the teenagers behaved perfectly. Of course they didn’t. They’re teenagers. Should they have complied with the demands the officers made, regardless of how ridiculous they were? Sure. But whose actions were more reprehensible: the black teenagers who responded imperfectly to unfair demands, or the cop who lost his cool, abused a teenage girl, and introduced a gun to the situation? Perhaps we should expect better behavior from the kids, but we should demand better behavior from the people who are paid to keep us safe.
And so should conservatives.”
https://reason.com/blog/2015/06/09/mckinney-of-pool-parties-police-brutalit#comment
“The cop un-holstered his gun, without pointing it at anyone. This was a self defense measure taken when youths came up behind him talking trash. He immediately re-holstered the gun when the potential threat was gone. This is also most likely SOP or at the very least a very smart move given the situation and the cop hating atmosphere.”
Yes Tina, you are absolutely correct in your observation of why the officer did what he did,(right or unjustified), with no audio to hear how he was verbally assaulted by the two males, how can we say he was not in fear of the situation escalating.
Our police put their life’s on the line daily for the public, they need to be given more support, and way less criticism then the left media has been using as propaganda against police in general.
“There is NO EXCUSE for the behavior of the punks that created the problem”
Tina, once more you have nailed it.
And the parents of all those teens practicing defiance and disreguard of police orders should be embarrassed and publicly exposed in a civil trial for any cost by the HOA or to the city for the need to respond to a out of control unauthorized gathering that easily was heading toward a mob rule.
Another liberal/progressive gets it, just like Kirsten Powers did. Now, to get more to realize the same. We all do not have to agree with you because you believe you’re right.
CNN’s Don Lemon on ‘Political Correctness’: Liberals the ‘Least Tolerant’:
“In a new radio commentary for Black America Web, CNN Tonight host Don Lemon claimed that the culture of “political correctness” in America has become “dangerous,” and that after 25 years in the news business he believes progressives are the “least tolerant” people.”
http://www.mediaite.com/online/cnns-don-lemon-on-political-correctness-liberals-the-least-tolerant/
Chris we are not “anti-government” around here. This error illustrates and confirms my observation that you are a poor communicator. Instead of getting what we say you bring your prejudice and attitude to the conversation.
We support law enforcement as responsible citizens of a nation that relies on the rule of law. Civility, order, and justice cannot be maintained when citizens refuse to respect and cooperate with law enforcement.
We have disdain and contempt for those who believe they have the right to created chaos, riots, and mayhem and who show they have no respect for the laws or law enforcement.
Before the police officer showed up this gang of unruly, irresponsible young people created conditions that were uncivil. They are primarily responsible for everything that follows.
The officer may have made a mistake, however, since leftist activists have encouraged hatred and distrust and given a sense of entitlement to disrespect the police officers of this land it is understandable that under these difficult conditions a cop, especially one alone, might sense that he is unusually vulnerable.
The opinions expressed by Reason which you share are not at all surprising. The left has never been particularly fond of civility and individual responsibility. They have little respect for individual rights and the constitution, preferring mob-rule and group grievance as transformation tools. You have not been taught the value of our Constitution or the unprecedented individual protections included in it. What a shame! You aren’t curious enough or open enough to understand, so entrenched are you in the grievance mentality.
Finally conservative believe officers should be held to high standards, AND THEY ARE!!!
Those who are not held to high standards are the administration that has encouraged defiant behavior in the black community, the parents who fail to teach their kids to be civil, and the media that use and hype such incidents to support the political stance the administration has taken that police officers target blacks and are all out of control. They national what should be a local problem for votes. this tactic is undermining the fabric of our nation and robbing young black people of their rightful place in our society. The radical left leaders use people…it’s sick and it must be exposed as such.
Peggy: “I’m with Tina. The cop would not have acted as he did without the provocation of the girl and the two boys who came up behind him.”
The cop was already acting overly aggressive and afraid before he ever spoke to the girl. Did you not see his little tuck and roll? Did you miss the way he was running and screaming at nothing in particular?
Again, I cite the police chief:
“He came into the call out of control, and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident.”
The officer was not “provoked” into acting badly. His ridiculous behavior started the moment he arrived on the scene. As Jack suggested in his initial article on the subject, his actions are literally the exact things you would do if your goal was to escalate the situation rather than to de-escalate it.
He. Is. Not. Fit. For. Duty.
Tina, I asked you to explain to me what you meant when you said the girl was being uncooperative and defiant when the officer went after her, and you did not do so. Why not? Is it because you now realize that she was cooperating with his orders by walking away, as she was told, and you can not defend your initial statement that she was being uncooperative and defiant?
“The opinions expressed by Reason which you share are not at all surprising. The left has never been particularly fond of civility and individual responsibility.”
I’m sorry, do you just not know what Reason.com is? It is a conservative, libertarian-leaning site. It is not even remotely connected to “the left.”
You do this a lot, you know–I’ll cite a renowned right-wing site saying something you disagree with, and you’ll imply that they’re actually a bunch of leftists. I’m not sure if you do this intentionally, but it strikes me as very strange.
“We support law enforcement as responsible citizens of a nation that relies on the rule of law.”
Except that the law enforcement officer you are currently defending was not responsible, nor was he acting within the rule of law.
“Civility, order, and justice cannot be maintained when citizens refuse to respect and cooperate with law enforcement.”
Again, the citizens were cooperating with law enforcement.
“We have disdain and contempt for those who believe they have the right to created chaos, riots, and mayhem and who show they have no respect for the laws or law enforcement.”
No one created chaos, riots, or mayhem. The person that came closest to doing so was the officer you are currently defending.
“Before the police officer showed up this gang of unruly, irresponsible young people created conditions that were uncivil. They are primarily responsible for everything that follows.”
So if he had shot them all in the face, would they have been primarily responsible for that?
Where is your sense of proportion? Just because the kids behaved badly does not justify the officer’s use of excessive force. The idea that ANY kind of criminality–however minor–justifies ANY kind of police response–however major–is absurd, yet that’s exactly what you are suggesting here.
“The officer may have made a mistake,”
Not “may have.” Did. And not “a mistake.” Several mistakes.
“however, since leftist activists have encouraged hatred and distrust and given a sense of entitlement to disrespect the police officers of this land it is understandable that under these difficult conditions a cop, especially one alone, might sense that he is unusually vulnerable.”
And yet you cannot see why these kids might see themselves as “unusually vulnerable.” This cop had no control of the situation and that is his own fault. Had he controlled his temper and been consistent–which means not changing his mind and chasing after a teenage girl he JUST TOLD to walk away from him–he never would have felt threatened enough to pull his gun.
It was his job to control the situation and de-escalate it, and he failed, utterly, due to his own contemptible actions. That is his responsibility.
“Finally conservative believe officers should be held to high standards, AND THEY ARE!!!”
If this officer’s behavior meets your standards, your standards are ridiculously low.
“They national what should be a local problem for votes. this tactic is undermining the fabric of our nation and robbing young black people of their rightful place in our society.”
No, the fact that police brutality against black youths is way too common, and the fact that people will defend and deny such brutality regardless of the evidence right in front of their faces, is what is robbing young black people of their rightful place in our society.
McKinney Almost Turns Violent, But Something BAD For Race-Baiters Occurred
http://madworldnews.com/mckinney-almost-turns-violent/
Re : “No, the fact that police brutality against black youths is way too common”
More common than black on black brutality?
Idiot.
Chris in the footage I saw the black girl in the orange bikini was seen leaving the area as told. She exited to the right of the young men sitting on the ground as told. Later in the same video she and the officer emerge from the opposite direction in a scuffle with the officer attempting to control her as she physically resists, mouth in full motor defiance. A cooperative person just sits down…period.
Now you could argue that she was frightened. Why wouldn’t she be after being told (convinced) that cops target blacks by radical leftist activists and this radical administration. But you can’t argue that she was being cooperative.
We’ve seen police chiefs, mayors, and other local officials make statements designed to calm down the activist circus and get the complicit press to move along. They have seen the damage to communities and lives that sometimes follows when media hype such situations. The officer deserves a more complete review and evaluation than comments by his chief suggest. The Chief may have been appeasing to save his community.
I’m sorry Chris don’t you realize that not all libertarians lean right? In fact, some of them are anarchists who would be much more in line with the left who think they should run the world and that the rules don’t apply to them.
“So if he had shot them all in the face, would they have been primarily responsible for that?”
More (absurd) evidence that you don’t communicate! Also evidence of your adolescent attitudes.
“This cop had no control of the situation and that is his own fault.”
Oh yeah, you could do much better given your vast knowledge and experience…”control” would have been a snap!
You have once again jumped to conclusions after seeing a (partial) video and of course take sides against police officers attempting to do their jobs in a chaotic, possibly dangerous, situation.
“…the fact that police brutality against black youths is way too common…”
I have heard this stated as opinion. I have never seen the opinion justified by credible facts.
Explanations that do make sense include the fact that blacks are taught to defy and resist authority, particularly white authority, the fact that many have had zero training in civility or manners (They live by law of the jungle), and the fact that criminal behavior is higher among blacks proportionately. It’s tragic that this criminality includes black on black shootings and murder, a “fact” that none of you on the left want to discuss.
If there is a problem in this country that desperately needs to be addressed it’s these issues. As I’ve stated before, the leftist political machine prefers to blame cops and republicans for their own gain.
Pie’s article in post 17 is a glimmer of hope, Thanks for a post that inspires inspiration.
With all the finger pointing and fault finding, it is refreshing read to find something positive showing a smoldering ember of possibilities, one we should all be fanning it into a flame of common ground
And now that I have read Tina’s post #18, once more I could not agree more with her insight on the subject and common sense.
Tina, your spot on!
Me: ““No, the fact that police brutality against black youths is way too common”
Pie: “More common than black on black brutality?”
No. How is that question relevant? It also isn’t as common as white on white bruality, black on white bruality, or white on black brutality. So what? How does that prove that police brutality against blacks isn’t a problem?
I do thank you for sharing the link about the protesters finding some unity and common ground–that was touching.
Tina: “Chris in the footage I saw the black girl in the orange bikini was seen leaving the area as told. She exited to the right of the young men sitting on the ground as told. Later in the same video she and the officer emerge from the opposite direction in a scuffle with the officer attempting to control her as she physically resists, mouth in full motor defiance.”
Yes. This, of course, leaves many questions:
Why did the officer go after her after she was already leaving the scene as he had previously requested? Was his initial intent to arrest her, or did he decide to do that only after she started resisting? What did he say to her before they enter back into frame? How rough was he with her initially, in the moments where they are out of frame? Why did he single out this girl, when multiple teens were talking back to him?
“A cooperative person just sits down…period.”
Except that even AFTER she sat down and stops moving, he grabs her AGAIN, and slams her head to the ground TWICE. See 3:20 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46-XTqXkzE&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DR46-XTqXkzE&has_verified=1
There was clearly no level of cooperation that satisfied the officer in this case. He tells her to walk away; she does; that’s not enough for him, and he goes after her. He tells her to sit down; after some resisting, she does; that’s not enough for him, so he forces her on her face. He fails at every point here to make his orders clear and unambiguous.
Every teacher knows that you can’t keep changing your demands like this. You have to be consistent. When you continue to signal that you have no idea what you want from an unruly teenager, or what the expectations are, you automatically lose control and create the conditions necessary for chaos. You lose respect. That is what this officer did in this situation, as a direct result of his own actions.
“Now you could argue that she was frightened. Why wouldn’t she be after being told (convinced) that cops target blacks by radical leftist activists and this radical administration.”
Please stop talking as if blacks are just puppets who will believe anything liberals tell them. The reason for the widespread perception among blacks that they are not safe in the presence of police, is because that is the reality. This video only further confirms that.
“But you can’t argue that she was being cooperative.”
Save for her resisting the (extraordinarily rough) treatment in the middle of the event, she was. She walked away as instructed. She sat down as instructed. Both times, her cooperation was punished. So I do not blame her for resisting the rough treatment of a man who clearly showed no signs of being satisfied with any amount of cooperation. An unhinged man with a gun does not become less of an unhinged man with a gun just because he is also carrying a badge.
As the police chief said, this guy came into the scene out of control, and his behavior was out of control throughout the incident.
“We’ve seen police chiefs, mayors, and other local officials make statements designed to calm down the activist circus and get the complicit press to move along. They have seen the damage to communities and lives that sometimes follows when media hype such situations. The officer deserves a more complete review and evaluation than comments by his chief suggest. The Chief may have been appeasing to save his community.”
…Or, alternately, it is glaringly obvious that this officer’s behavior was inappropriate, and the chief handled the situation accordingly.
“I’m sorry Chris don’t you realize that not all libertarians lean right?”
Yes, of course I do. But Reason.com does lean right. So again, your attempts to imply that the article was from a “leftist” simply ignore reality.
Me: “So if he had shot them all in the face, would they have been primarily responsible for that?”
“More (absurd) evidence that you don’t communicate! Also evidence of your adolescent attitudes.”
No, all I’m doing is trying to get you to think about the logical implications of your own arguments. You said:
““Before the police officer showed up this gang of unruly, irresponsible young people created conditions that were uncivil. They are primarily responsible for everything that follows.”
That would imply that ANY police response would be appropriate to deal with such a minor scuffle. I’m well aware you don’t actually believe that shooting the kids would have been a proportionate response; that’s my point. I am trying to get you to be careful about what you say.
“Oh yeah, you could do much better given your vast knowledge and experience…”control” would have been a snap!”
I’m assuming that police officers have much greater and more extensive training in dealing with crowd control than I do. The situation at the point the officer is being criticized for is already handled! The kids are leaving as they’ve been instructed to. The chaos only resumes AFTER the officer goes after the girl he just told to leave, for no apparent reason other than he’s mad that she talked back to him.
I have seen teachers handle more unruly crowds with a stern look.
“You have once again jumped to conclusions after seeing a (partial) video and of course take sides against police officers attempting to do their jobs in a chaotic, possibly dangerous, situation.”
I have not “taken sides against police officers.” I have criticized ONE officer, and commended the actions of the others, all of whom seemed to be handling the situation calmly and professionally.
I don’t see why you are so determined to defend his inappropriate actions when even his own police chief has already acknowledged he was wrong.
When you defend such clear, unambiguous instances of police wrongdoing, it makes it a lot easier for your critics to say that you are willing to turn a blind eye to police brutality, especially when the victims are black.
“(They live by law of the jungle),”
And this really doesn’t help you either.
“It’s tragic that this criminality includes black on black shootings and murder, a “fact” that none of you on the left want to discuss.”
Except for all the lefitsts who discuss this frequently, including President Obama. You aren’t listening.
The reason I summited my post is that I was interested in how such an incident with an experienced police officer could have evolved.
Not just his actions, but what was the need of a Police response to begin with.
Reading comments from most of the posters we see no affirmation of the officers’ actions, but rather a questioning of why this situation takes place to begin with.
Why restate the Officers’ actions they were oblivious, when it is the need for the call that ignited the situation, and how the crowd built up its reaction to police intervention, that is what needs to addressed and corrected.
We all (well most) get it, the officer lost control and overreacted. That can be corrected within future department guidelines, however, can the need for compliance with police instructions at a scene with today’s youth be corrected? They both need equal recourse.
It is the results of this unauthorized party and the possible entitlement mindset of today’s youth that fans the flames of media frenzy to readily blame the cops. In my thinking the media types would be more credible if all the facts were known and reported as to what lead up to, and including the resulting actions were reported completely.
But that is not todays media goal, bash, bash, bash the police and make victims out of the instigators, that is what sells ratings first, and reporting complete facts secondly, and it needs to stop.
I am convinced this happened as a result of the situation being escalated by the refusal of the party promoter and unauthorized guests to comply with police requests, defiance of those orders is what I intended the readers to pair with Officer Casebolts actions. Casebolt’s actions have been resolved, not so much I would venture the mindset of the party promoter or her unauthorized attendees.
Harold, you had a brilliant observation, I especially liked this one: “We all (well most) get it, the officer lost control and overreacted. That can be corrected within future department guidelines, however, can the need for compliance with police instructions at a scene with today’s youth be corrected?”
In my humble opine, if there’s something fundamentally wrong here, it’s the lack of respect for police that has been created by black militancy, race profiteers/extortionists and the media.
Police are always in a constant state of review and training just like our military and just like every successful enterprise. They have State mandated educational standards and the penalties for falling short of those standards are severe. However, can we say the same for unacceptable behavior (crime and drugs) in the black community? Nobody wants to focus on that one do they? However, this is a society-wide problem and deflecting it has only made matters worse.
Statistics constantly remind us the black community has serious problems and those same statistics show there is no endemic problems within law enforcement. Perpetually blaming cops and others for inordinately high black crime rates, broken homes, drug abuse, poor educational performance, and high incarceration rates wears a bit thin after many decades of extending them a helping hand. I simply want them to be equals – it’s in our best interest for them to be equals in everything! This is what America is all about, but right now they are still in denial mode as are our liberals.
Its time for blacks and liberals to stop with the excuses, no more lowering the bar. We must all be treated equally! If we can do this much, any issues with the cops will be immediately self-correcting.
You know America made a solemn, but it was a limited promise for… life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The rest is up to us and it sure isn’t the cops that are holding anyone back from pursuing the American dream.
Closing thought: As an employer or a parent, which do you think produces the best results for your employees and kids… high expectations or low? The answer is obvious and that’s all I’m saying, we need to expect better to get better. No more excuses, no more race cards, no blaming cops, just do it.
Chris: “Why did the officer go after her after she was already leaving the scene as he had previously requested?”
The question is why did she return to the area after leaving as instructed…and what was her attitude…and what did she say?
Your portrayal of her as innocent and cooperative is based on limited information and your own personal prejudice. Your assumption that he “went after her” is simply biased.
This one-sided observation shows you have an anti-cop agenda and don’t give a rip about the facts or the conditions in the black community that are creating these problem.
Jack states the obvious: ” They have State mandated educational standards and the penalties for falling short of those standards are severe. However, can we say the same for unacceptable behavior (crime and drugs) in the black community?”
The answer is a resounding NO! The officer has been fired and is in hiding due to death threats.
What will be done about young people who think they have the right to trash property, attack and beat someone as a mob, mob swarm businesses to steal and damage property? I’ll tell you. Excuses will be made and no attempt to correct bad behavior will be forthcoming.
As long as the delusional left continues to deny and refuse to address the fundamental causes that underlie these incidents we will have problems and we will see cops occasionally over-react, they are human after all and have a legitimate reason to fear for their lives!
Solve the problem!!!!! It isn’t the cops!!!!
Tina: “The question is why did she return to the area after leaving as instructed”
Ok, at this point I don’t even believe you watched the video. She did not “return to the area after leaving as instructed.” She was dragged back to the area by the officer after leaving as instructed.
“Your assumption that he “went after her” is simply biased.”
No, it is literally what I and every person who saw the video witnessed with our own two eyes.
Watch the video.