by Jack
Harold, you had a brilliant observation, I especially liked this one: “We all (well most) get it, the officer lost control and overreacted. That can be corrected within future department guidelines, however, can the need for compliance with police instructions at a scene with today’s youth be corrected?”
In my humble opine, if there’s something fundamentally wrong here, it’s the lack of respect for police that has been created by black militancy, race profiteers/extortionists and the media.
Police are always in a constant state of review and training just like our military and just like every successful enterprise. They have State mandated educational standards and the law is very strictly enforced when it comes to cops. Courts are more likely to be harder on a cop than a civilian. The penalties for falling short of the State standards and department regulations are severe. However, can we say the same high standards or expectation exist in the black community? Nobody wants to focus on that one, do they? However, they have a society-wide problem starting with crime and deflecting away from that problem has only made matters worse. On the other hand, cops are easy targets for criticism and worse, like frivolous lawsuits. 
Statistics constantly remind us the black community has serious problems and those same statistics show there is no endemic problems within law enforcement, that’s a media farce and a lie by those who hate cops. Perpetually blaming cops and others for inordinately high black crime rates, broken homes, drug abuse, poor educational performance, and high incarceration rates wears a bit thin after many decades of extending them a helping hand. I simply want them to be equals and good neighbors - it’s in our best interest. This is what America is all about, but right now they are still in denial mode as are our liberals.
Its time for blacks and liberals to stop with the excuses, no more lowering the bar. We must all be treated equally or its just another form of racism! If we can do this much, any issues with the cops will be long gone.
You know America made us a solemn, but a limited promise, for… life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The rest is up to us and it sure isn’t the cops that are holding anyone back from pursuing the American dream.
Closing thought: As an employer or a parent, which do you think produces the best results for either your employees or your kids… high expectations or low? Th e answer is obvious and that’s all I’m saying, we need to expect better to get better. No more excuses, no more race cards, no blaming cops, just do it.
Chico is a bubble
we have a policing problem that is multi faceted. part is techniques. In Places like MO we have KKK embedded among officers and we have fascism.
Capitalism has run amuck. Profit is all that matters and when we have Quotas ect it is disturbing.
CHP Quota;s exposed.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/california-highway-patrol-officer-blames-pressure-to-issue-tickets-after-assault-on-78-year-old-man/#.VYBQa9DO2G4.twitter
America is so far from what you think it is my friend. It is far from what any of us think it is. We lost control years ago.
Forget about Race and let’s fix the country.
Dewey, show me one cop that belongs to the KKK….MO, Baltimore, anywhere, show me one example. You really shouldn’t make such rash statements without some backup.
America is even much farther away from what Dewey thinks it is.
who ever this Dewey is……. Bless his heart!
Jack: “Police are always in a constant state of review and training just like our military and just like every successful enterprise. They have State mandated educational standards and the law is very strictly enforced when it comes to cops. Courts are more likely to be harder on a cop than a civilian. The penalties for falling short of the State standards and department regulations are severe. However, can we say the same high standards or expectation exist in the black community? Nobody wants to focus on that one, do they?”
I’m so confused on what this is supposed to actually mean. Is the suggestion that we should regulate and monitor the black community in a similar manner as we do police officers? How would we possibly undertake such an endeavor? How would that square with conservative small government principles? Why should a civilian population be regulated in the same way as the government’s actual enforcers?
As for this claim:
“Courts are more likely to be harder on a cop than a civilian.”
It’s just so wrong I don’t even know where to start. No, actually, I do: Look at the indictment numbers.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/allegations-of-police-misconduct-rarely-result-in-charges/
Chris, cops charged and found innocent does not count – key word innocent. However when found guilty the court tends to make examples of cops and gives them harsh sentences.
As to your confusion over my paragraph, you have to take it in context with what Harold was saying, since this is a reply to his post. I’m saying cops already have enough oversight, training and standards, but within the black community what we have are a lot of people doing bad things and liberals making excuses for them. There’s little call for accountability inside or outside the black community, which is akin to denying the horrible statistics for all kinds of criminal behavior.
Jack: “Chris, cops charged and found innocent does not count – key word innocent.”
Jack, surely you are aware that there is no such thing as being “found innocent” in an American court? There’s guilty, and not guilty. I’m surprised a police officer would make such an error.
Furthermore, I wasn’t talking about verdicts, I was talking about indictments. Indictments of police officers are incredibly rare, especially when compared to indictments of civilians.
Now some of that can be explained away by the fact that police officers are in a line of work where they are much more likely than civilians to have to shoot someone, thus exposing them to false charges. But I don’t think that can account for the entire disparity. And given what we saw in the Darren Wilson case*–where the prosecutor acted as a defense lawyer, presented exculpatory evidence (which is almost never done for civilians), and even admitted to allowing a pro-Wilson witness to lie on the stand without questioning her–I think we could stand to be a little more suspicious about this process, and to question whether law enforcement officers are getting special privileges that most civilians do not recieve.
*Had the case proceeded to trial, I think Wilson would have–and should have–been found not guilty. That does not excuse the prosecutor’s dishonest and unethical tactics in the grand jury process. Police brutality was probably not a factor in this case, but the way the grand jury was handled exposed another systemic issue in our criminal justice system.
Jack I think what Chris is trying to say is that groups of people who look at disproportionate results start to feel that the results are fueled by nefarious means. Look, for example, at the abortion industry which disproportionately terminates minority babies and especially black babies more than other races. This institutionalized genocide could be affecting the subconscious of black Americans more than anyone realizes or is willing to admit.
It really doesn’t matter what the intentions of the abortion industry are. They have become a corporate entity with an end result that is clearly racist. If black people are to find any peace we need to stop funding the killing of their babies.
Steve, yes, I see this now…thanks. Wondering why the high abortion rate in the black community, any thoughts? I sure hope it’s not because its becoming too accepted to abort babies rather than to be responsible about not getting pregnant in the first place.
At #5 Chris wonders how civility works and cannot imagine that support for higher standards within ANY community would get the job done and change the lives of kids and that community for the better.
How does Chris imagine that higher standards that once kept the majority of kids in every community out of trouble could be achieved? Only through government regulation, a liberal response, which he projects with cynicism onto what he see’s as stupid, mean spirited conservatives.
In reality communities have deteriorated as standards of behavior have been derided and lowered. Low expectations beget incivility. The reverse could also happen.
But liberals don’t want any part of a call for high standards because it might look like they were judging people or, in the case of the black community, it might look like they are racist.
Chris does not get it.
Steve: “Jack I think what Chris is trying to say is that groups of people who look at disproportionate results start to feel that the results are fueled by nefarious means.”
Thanks, Steve. That’s exactly what I was trying to say.
I don’t agree with you that the culprit is abortion, however. I think that is a symptom.
The most effective proven means of reducing abortion is to simply provide free birth control, but most conservatives are against that.
“A program that offered long-acting no-cost contraception to U.S. girls and women age 15 to 19 reduced the teenage pregnancy rate by 79 percent over five years and cut the abortion rate by 77 percent, according to the results of a new study.”
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/02/free-long-acting-birth-control-cuts-teen-pregnancy-abortions/
Tina: “How does Chris imagine that higher standards that once kept the majority of kids in every community out of trouble could be achieved? Only through government regulation, a liberal response, which he projects with cynicism onto what he see’s as stupid, mean spirited conservatives.”
Government regulation was clearly implied in Jack’s paragraph that I quoted.
Cartoon Explains the Ironic Hypocrisy of Liberal “Tolerance” PERFECTLY:
http://www.youngcons.com/cartoon-explains-the-ironic-hypocrisy-of-liberal-tolerance-perfectly/
Chris: “Government regulation was clearly implied in Jack’s paragraph that I quoted.”
But government regulation of the black community was not!
Police officers are under constant review and training. They also have internal investigation units. The media also steps up to monitor police behavior, often unfairly. The comparison implied is that black youths are not under any type of “scrutiny” and are rarely criticized or held to any standard of civil behavior. In fact excuses are made and in some cases criminals and thugs are treated as heroes. Black on black crime is out of control and yet we are focused on cops in dicey situations defending or in fear of their lives. That alone should tell you about the agenda that drives the PC insanity!
There are ways to “scrutinize” and apply pressure that are not government mandated but you don’t seem able to think in terms of the expectations we have, or should have, of each other.
Peggy, certainly there are some (many?) liberals who will not even hear out arguments against same-sex marriage without calling their opponents bigots.
Similarly, there are some (many?) conservatives who will not even hear out arguments in favor of same-sex marriage without calling their opponents perverts, sexual deviants, mentally ill, and harbingers of the death of marriage, America and Western civilization.
Some people can’t tolerate other people’s viewpoints, and are better at screaming and shouting than engaging honestly with challenging opinions: news at 11!
Now it’s true that it is hypocritical for people to lecture others about tolerance, while also refusing to hear out an opposing argument without resorting to name-calling. Many liberals are guilty of this.
But by that cartoon’s own standards, so is Michael Cantrell of the Young Conservatives.
Here is the current front page article, written by Cantrell, the same guy who posted that cartoon:
CRAZY TOWN: “Orange is the New Black” Actress Identifies as “Gender Fluid”
“Thanks to all the hoopla surrounding Bruce “Caitlyn” Jenner’s transformation from man to woman, the transgender debate has been in full throttle.
In case you haven’t had your fill of insane gender bending identification stories and the whack-a-doo buzzwords they seem to generate, along comes Orange is the New Black actress Ruby Rose to throw yet another term into the mix that’s sure to be heard pouring from the mouths of loony liberals across the land.
Gender fluid.
I know, right? That sounds like something extremely gross and completely inappropriate, but believe it or not, it’s a new way for a person to “identify” themselves in regards to gender…
Notice how she said she was born a woman, but didn’t feel like one?
That’s pretty much what Jenner said about being a man. He was born a dude, but didn’t “feel” like one.
What in the world does that even mean? What exactly does being a man or woman “feel” like, and why in the world do these wackos think it’s a good idea to indulge your “feelings” all the time?
Feelings and emotions come and go. They don’t tend to stick around for long, so why make a choice — one that often requires lots of serious surgery and body modification — based on a “feeling?”
Hey, the other day I “felt” like taking a stroll in the woods and slapping a bear in the mouth, but you know what? I didn’t act on it. You want to know why? It’s really quite simple.
I didn’t want to be bear chow.
Feelings can lead you to do really dumb things, and once those emotions cool down or start to fade, you’re left with a truck load of regret.
Rose was born a woman. How she feels isn’t really relevant to the facts.”
http://www.youngcons.com/crazy-town-orange-is-the-new-black-actress-identifies-as-gender-fluid/
Does this strike you as the writings of someone who is willing to accept new and challenging viewpoints without immediately resorting to name-calling?
Cantrell is acting like he is hearing the term “gender fluid” for the first time in his life–even though this is not at all a new term–and immediately calls the person identifying in this way “crazy,” “whack-a-doo,” “loony,” “extremely gross” and “completely inappropriate.” And that’s just in two paragraphs.
He also apparently has not bothered to do any research into the body of literature on gender identity, given that he identifies the feelings of people struggling with their identity as fleeting and transitory, when in reality trans people feel like they are of a different gender than they have been assigned for a very long time, usually since they were very young. His attempt to trivialize these feelings by comparing them to him feeling like slapping a bear in the mouth is absurd and shows a complete lack of empathy.
Cantrell’s reaction matches the definition of bigotry in the cartoon perfectly:
“Stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.”
So if the Young Conservatives are upset over being called bigoted, a good first step to solving that problem would be to stop saying and doing bigoted things.
Off topic with a different view of today’s youth.
Must hear this 12 year old school the president.
CJ Pearson SLAMS Obama for SC comments:
http://allenbwest.com/2015/06/cj-pearson-slams-obama-for-sc-comments/