by Jack
If there is one thing that could unite the professional politicians in Washington, it’s a guy like Donald Trump. They hate him and they would go to great lengths to destroy him, but if he gets elected the same group will go to great lengths to curry his favor. That’s how despicable they are. So, you tell me, who is worse? These lying hypocrites in Washington or Donald Trump?
Trump just said, “They are incompetent do nothings. They don’t ever want to rock the boat, but they are good about one thing, getting re-elected.” How can this message not resonate with the average American?
Every day Trump says something offensive that the MSM says will end his campaign and every day Trump just dismisses them and so do the American people, much to their chagrin.
The mainstream media and the politicians in Washington don’t seem to get how much they are hated by the average person. This is why Trump gets a pass on every outrageous thing he says. Trump is saying what the majority of American’s have been saying for years, but nobody in D.C. or the media was listening. Now Trump is riding a wave of pent up frustration a long ways… maybe all the way to the White House! This has a lot of professional political hacks running scared. Trump is calling them out for their incompetence and this is something long overdue.
However, if I can’t bring myself to vote for Trump because he’s a composite liberal-conservative, who is the next choice? I’m thinking it has to be an outsider, someone who is extremely smart, educated, understands the system and can help restore the trust of the voter and to fix as much of the horrific damage done by Obama as possible….a huge job for any single person. Your thoughts?
The GOP “Establishment” is truly flummoxed by Trump’s popularity, yet they remain deaf to the concerns of the voters while they sit in their ivory towers around the Beltway and listen to “consultants” who have no clue as well.
And if nothing else, TheDonald has schooled the other candidates about how to handle the “gotcha” questions.
There is still plenty of time before the primary. To be perfectly honest, the Trump candidacy makes me want to vomit. I will admit he has taken it to the GOP on immigration issues and the miserable status of foreign policy under Obama, but I don’t believe a word this godawful TV celebrity and over-rated manipulator, thief, and phony has to say about anything. If you thought Obama was an evil clown, just imagine a Trump presidency.
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This situation with closed comments on Post Scripts blog posts is annoying, but I understand the problems you guys face with progressive spam attacks.
Chris dropped by in “Get Educated About the Cost of the Expensive Fraudulent Green Conglomerate” to insult Anthony Watts, his readers, and Post Scripts. Evidently he gets the last word.
To his specious charges I feel compelled to respond — Chris, folks who follow Post Scripts regularly (and even some of those new to this blog) already know you are a vile and hate filled radical progressive who will raise any objection no matter how idiotic and thin to attack people you do not like.
Further demonstration of your reprehensible and disgusting lack of character is really not necessary. We got it. We get it.
Collusion exposed between Governors, White House, and Tom Steyer’s climate advocacy groups —
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/24/collusion-exposed-between-governors-white-house-and-tom-steyers-climate-advocacy-groups/
Pie, exactly how was my objection “idiotic and thin?” Anthony Watts compared the totality of green profits to the profits of just two oil companies. That’s not an insult; that’s a fact. I merely pointed out that this was not a useful comparison, and that if you want to compare apples to apples, you should compare total oil profits to total green profits.
Is it your position that this was a valid comparison?
Anyway, I agree with you on Donald Trump.
There is nothing wrong with the comparison. You are nitpicking to make a slam. Blow me.
There’s nothing wrong with comparing the total profits of the green industry with the profits of only two oil companies?
Why wouldn’t you compare the total profits of the green industry with the total profits of the oil industry? Wouldn’t that be a more useful comparison?
Seriously, explain that to me. Explain it to me like I’m five.
By the way, if you look up the total profits for the oil industry, it is still less than the total profits for the green industry according to Watts. That’s assuming, of course, that Watts’ number is correct.
The establishment Republicans can’t easily listen to the people. They agreed with liberals to discredit their own, most active and informed constituents, Tea Party conservatives. These are the very people that got many of them elected to Congress. How stupid is that!
The establishment Republicans still think that it’s possible to “compromise to get something done” with a party that aligns more more with Marx and Alinsky than the founders of this nation…and they think we’re “fringe.”
They just don’t get where the important battle is. Until they do we will see many more voices like Trump’s. The people want nothing to do wit fundamental transformation and are demanding to be heard.
What cracks me up is it’s RINOs like McConnell, Boehner and Rove who are saying he isn’t conservative enough. The pot is trying to call the kettle you know what and the voters are laughing.
The media and Democrats have lots control of the dialog and Republicans in DC are in a panic they may lose their pocket stuffing jobs.
When my own Obama voting son says he’s impressed with Trump Democrats have a problem. He likes that Trump is so rich he can’t be bought and he’s up front with who he is and isn’t saying one thing with plans to do the opposite with his hidden agenda.
Off topic slightly. My son has been fighting one of the fires up by the Oregon border for the last two weeks. He’s had to work double 24 hour shifts because there hasn’t been anyone to relieve him. He got word that Obama had ordered Calif. to send 50 engines with their crews to fight the fires in Washington. He wanted to know what the he77 Obama was doing telling Calif. what to do with state firefighters. It was all I could do while biting my tongue to not say and you voted for the idiot. Funny how things changed when it hit him personally.
The fire he’s on isn’t 20 percent contained. The Indians won’t let them fight the fires on their reservation land, so it burns through and comes out bigger .
I wonder how all of those tree hugger environmentalist are feeling seeing the carnage they helped create by not allowing controlled harvesting and brush cleaning. Wonder what the death toll is to all of the animals like the spotted owls and eagles.
If logged firebreaks had been allowed the firefighters would have had a fighting chance to prevent millions of trees going up in smoke and the homes, livestock and firefighters would not have been lost. Oh and we can’t forget the smoke that is polluting every state in its path heading east.
Thanks for letting me vent. My son is not due home until after the first of Sept. After spending over three weeks up north he will have to report to his station in Sacramento for his three day shift. Praying after being gone for almost a month he’ll make it home safe and not have to go out to another fire.
We have friends up in Kettle Falls, WA, and they’re keeping us posted on the fires from the non-combatant side. It’s true about the Indian reservation, but you know who’ll be first in line asking goofernment to rebuild their burned-down house . . . .
Hope your son stays safe, and many thanks for his help!
Hope Peggy’s son comes home safe and sound.
Cue up the “Jaws” theme music —
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNM56FPVEAASfCt.jpg
Thanks guys for your kind thoughts and prayers. Once a mom always a mom. Wish their was a worry switch that turned off and on.
I saw this and wanted to post it on another article but the comments for it was closed. It’s a trip to our past elections and a bridge to why we’re where we are today. You’ll recognize many of the names.
Saul Alinsky and DNC Corruption:
Diane Alden
Jan. 7, 2003
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corruption.htm
I think Trump is good for the GOP Machine just like Bernie is good for the DNC Machine.
Not sure what you mean, Dewey. Are you saying Bernie is equally extreme? I thought you liked Bernie Sanders.
I don’t think Trump is good for the GOP at all. Many on the right agree:
“But many Republican strategists, donors, and officeholders fret that the harm goes deeper than a single voting bloc. Trump’s candidacy has blasted open the GOP’s longstanding fault lines at a time when the party hoped for unity. His gleeful, attention-hogging boorishness—and the large crowds that have cheered it—cements a popular image of the party as standing for reactionary anger rather than constructive policies. As Democrats jeer that Trump has merely laid bare the true soul of the GOP, some Republicans wonder, with considerable anguish, whether they’re right. As the conservative writer Ben Domenech asked in an essay in The Federalist last week, “Are Republicans for freedom or white identity politics?”
“There is a faction that would actually rather burn down the entire Republican Party in hopes they can rebuild it in their image,” Rick Wilson, a Florida-based Republican admaker, told me. For his outspoken antagonism to Trump, including an op-ed calling Trump voters “Hillary’s new best friends,” Wilson has received a deluge of bile from Trump’s army of Internet trolls; his family has been threatened and his clients have been harassed. He worries that the party is on the brink of falling apart. “There’s got to be either a reconciliation or a division,” he said. “There’s still a greater fraction of people who are limited-government conservatives than people motivated by the personality cult of Donald Trump.”
…Many analysts blamed Mitt Romney’s 2012 loss on his rightward tack on immigration during the primaries, when he urged “self-deportation.” That was a major conclusion of the Republican National Committee’s postmortem report after Romney’s loss. “In 2012 we were talking about electrified fences and self-deportation; in 2016 we’re talking about birthright citizenship and forced, mass deportation,” Peter Wehner, a former aide to George W. Bush, told me. “That’s not a step in the right direction, and we’re doing that because of Trump.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/can-the-republican-party-survive-trumo/402074/
Of course some on the right dismiss these critics as “beltway insiders” who are removed from what folks on the ground want. Those who would dismiss them this way are generally the same people who think they lost in 2008 and 2012 because they ran center-right candidates. In other words, they think the problem with the Republican Party today is that they’re just not far enough to the right.
These are people who refuse to learn from their mistakes. McCain and Romney’s biggest failures–Palin and 47%, respectfully–were concessions to the far right base. But we’re a center right country, and we just aren’t going to elect a far right president. Folks like Trump may do well in the primaries when the goal is to court the base as much as possible, but they’re unelectable in a general election. Failure to recognize this will doom the party.
Praying for your son, Peggy–even though he is impressed with Trump. 😉
I still can’t believe how many dumb things come out of Trump’s mouth per week. Just in the past few days, he’s said that:
–The real unemployment rate is 42%
–Heidi Klum is “no longer a 10.”
–That America has birthright citizenship because we are a “stupid” country
Responsible, ethical people don’t say things like this. Presidents don’t say things like this.
I remember a lot of conservatives complaining that Obama just isn’t “presidential.” Doesn’t Trump fail to clear this hurdle as well?
Chris, I have to agree that Trump needs dial it back. I don’t appreciate people being obnoxious for the sake of headlines, especially if they are representing my country. He can be truthful without appearing petty and rude. He would do better to be a more classy guy, and yet tell it like it is. But that’s just me and I’m not endorsing him.
So Chris, what exactly is the REAL unemployment rate in this country? I don’t mean the one where they only report people who are still looking for work.
Presidential candidates shouldn’t be commenting on models like Klum. And you’re right, we did and do complain about the subjects Obama has commented on. But for Obama, it worked. He ran against the establishment of his party (the Clintons) and won by courting the pop culture vote. I’m not Trump’s biggest fan, but he is courting some of those same votes and it is putting him on top.
I had lunch today with a young man who does not normally vote Republican but likes that Trump has his own money and won’t be owned by Washington. He may vote for him. I’m starting to think that Trump could win, and you know what? It’s hard to see Trump treating our country any worse than our current President has. He could make a complete ass of himself but if he rebuilds the economy he’ll have accomplished something.
Steve: “So Chris, what exactly is the REAL unemployment rate in this country? I don’t mean the one where they only report people who are still looking for work.”
Not sure. As far as I know the closest thing to what you’re asking for would be the U-5, which claims to count the unemployed (U-3; those who are actively looking for work) as well as discouraged workers. I’m not sure how the BLS arrives at this number, but according to them it’s 6.7%.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
Underemployment remains the most significant problem. The U-6, which measures unemployment and underemployment, is at 10.7%.
The best case scenario is that Trump was referring to the percentage of people who are not participating in the labor force. But this number includes the elderly, children, and teenagers.
Trump’s number only makes sense if you believe stay-at-home moms, retired grandparents, and high school juniors should all count among the “unemployed,” even if none of them have the desire or the need to work.
This leaves two inescapable conclusions:
1) Either Trump is so uninformed about how to measure employment that he has no business being a member of the city council, let alone sitting in the White House;
OR
2) Trump is lying, and trusts that those who are still listening to him are just as uninformed about how to measure employment as Option 1 assumes Trump is.
Either way, he has no business in government.
“But for Obama, it worked. He ran against the establishment of his party (the Clintons) and won by courting the pop culture vote. I’m not Trump’s biggest fan, but he is courting some of those same votes and it is putting him on top.”
Trump does not have the “pop culture vote.” I’d wager his numbers among young voters are somewhere close to zero. His crowd is almost exclusively older people on the far right.
Well my, my, my. Has @HillaryClinton legally disqualified herself from office?
https://pubsecrets.wordpress.com/2015/08/24/well-my-my-my-has-hillaryclinton-legally-disqualified-herself-from-office/
Regarding Trump: Chris, don’t ever agree with me, it only makes me look bad. In fact, just shut up, period.
Chris: “Why wouldn’t you compare the total profits of the green industry with the total profits of the oil industry? Wouldn’t that be a more useful comparison?”
No, I will not explain it to you like you are a five year old. I will explain it to you like you are a specious, nitpicking jackass from progressive hell — I doesn’t make a damn bit of difference to the intrinsic value, truthfulness, and message of the article you dope.
Sanctuary Cities Are Illegal – It’s Anarchy – They Must Be Stopped!
Post Scripts 6 July 2015
http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2015/07/06/sanctuary-cities-illegal-anarchy-stopped/
#35 Chris : “I’m only going to respond to one thing above, and then I don’t plan on engaging with or talking about Pie Guevara again.”
Stick to your plan you odious clown.
Pie, what is it about me that renders you utterly unable to have a reasonable discussion without flying into an epic hissy fit? Why can’t you, for once, just address an argument honestly and without rancor? You might actually find it more enjoyable.
I think your personal issues with me are seriously clouding your judgment. You know that comparing apples to apples is a basic rule of logic. You know this. And yet you are defending Watts for violating this basic rule simply because you like Watts and you hate me.
Constantly telling people to “shut up” if they disagree with you, and refusing to engage with valid points, does not reflect well on you. Hell, at this point I’d be happy if you called me every name in the book, as long as you actually tried to attack my points in a rational, honest manner.
I know you don’t care what I think, and Jack and Tina apparently still find you a delight, so this comment probably won’t make any difference. But I have a hard time giving up on a fellow human being, which helps me as a teacher. So I hope you’ll reconsider your tactics here.
Too funny. Chris The Burner accusing me of having a “hissy fit.”
A pissant jerk who thinks he is God’s gift to humanity and Post Scripts.
Chris: “But we’re a center right country, and we just aren’t going to elect a far right president.”
Please explain how a center right nation elected the far left Barack Obama…twice?
Romney and McCain were not far right.
Tina: “Please explain how a center right nation elected the far left Barack Obama…twice?”
Easy:
1) Obama ran as a center-left candidate, not a far left candidate, in both 2008 and 2012.
2) The alternatives were considered worse by the majority of voters.
“Romney and McCain were not far right.”
Exactly. But they tried to embrace unpopular far right positions/people after the primaries, at a time when they no longer needed to do that, and should have been courting centrist voters. For McCain it was choosing Palin, a woman who doesn’t believe California and New York are “real America,” as his nominee, and for Romney it was his comments in which he said that the half of Americans who are too poor to pay income taxes are a bunch of irresponsible layabouts who will never take responsibility for their lives. Obviously this is a simplification, but these were defining moments in their campaigns, and they weren’t good ones.
This isn’t rocket science. And yet still many conservatives have responded to these defeats by concluding that their next candidate needs to lean even further to the right. That’s not gonna work.
Chris: Responsible, ethical people don’t say things like this. Presidents don’t say things like this.
My my my…such pompous pronouncements about Trump and “presidents” from our friend Chris. If I recall Chris voted for Obama in the first election and was quite excited about the candidate from Chicago. We all recall the hoards of adoring fans and sycophantic media, none of which took exception to the following irresponsible, unethical, non-presidential remark at a fudraising event:
Obama supporters cheered during his campaign. They talked about how “cool” he was. The adoration factor was over the top.
Or how about the time President Obama used the derogatory term “tea-baggers” to refer to American citizens in response to a letter about the ACA written by a fifth-grade school teacher from Irving, Texas, Thomas Ritter.
Ritter told the New York Post he was hesitant to write the letter for fear of retribution but he decided to go ahead, writing, “‘I watched you make fun of tea baggers and your press secretary make fun of Ms. [Sarah] Palin which was especially beneath the dignity of the White House,’ the teacher fumed. ‘Do the right thing not the political thing. Suggest a bill that Americans can support.'”
This was not a public statement but I have to say putting that in writing is pretty low down for someone occupying the highest office in the land. Will he proudly display his letter in his library?
Who can forget the President’s pronouncements about Officer James Crowley before all the facts in the incident were known? He said the officers “acted stupidly” and accused them of racism. Officer Crowley’s credentials on race were impeccable:
President Obama’s remarks were irresponsible and non-presidential, not to mention “stupid.”
The ridicule, preaching, and instructing needs to stop, Chris. Presidential politics involves candidates sometimes making stupid statements. To borrow a phrase, “It isn’t a democrat thing or a republican thing.”
Can we at least agree on that?
Tina, I said at the time that Obama’s gun/knife comments were offensive and unpresidential.
The term “tea baggers” originated among Tea Party members themselves. It is silly to complain about Obama using a term that they started.
http://theweek.com/articles/494697/evolution-word-tea-bagger
Obama shouldn’t have answered the question about Officer Crowley so bluntly. I think his estimation was correct, and the officer did act stupidly. But he shouldn’t have said that. He did make an effort to repair the damage and make amends later, however.
“The ridicule, preaching, and instructing needs to stop, Chris. Presidential politics involves candidates sometimes making stupid statements. To borrow a phrase, “It isn’t a democrat thing or a republican thing.”
Can we at least agree on that?”
Yes, of course we agree on that. I’m always willing to admit when I think a Democrat has said something stupid, though we don’t always agree on what counts as stupid.
But Donald Trump doesn’t just “sometimes make stupid statements.” He spews a constant stream of word vomit that threatens to engulf us all.
Trump is unique. I think most Republican politicians are wrong about pretty much everything, but at least their wrong statements are based in some kind of comprehensible ideology. Trump takes the cake for managing to not only be wrong nearly every time he speaks, but to also be dumb, inarticulate, mean-spirited, vicious, boastful, and startlingly unaware of possessing all of these negative qualities. He’s honestly unlike any politician I’ve ever seen, and not in a good way. He’s unethical even by the standards of politicians.
So no, I won’t stop ridiculing and preaching against Trump. The fact that he’s still considered a contender is a national disgrace, and we as Americans have an ethical and patriotic duty to say that we won’t tolerate this type of conduct from someone who wants to represent our country to the world.
Bravo, Steve!!!
Chris: ” Obama ran as a center-left candidate, not a far left candidate, in both 2008 and 2012.”
Ran as a center left candidate? I guess it depends on your perspective. I forgot just how easy it is for a smooth talker to fool the people about his identity, especially when the press refuses to vet the candidate.
The fundamental transformer basically had his way with the electorate because nobody knew the man. His life and abilities were straight out of a fantasy with all dark (far left) information kept hidden. His skin color was also a factor…people couldn’t wait to vote for the first black president. The fawning press played their part, lifting Obama to rock star man of the people status while at the same time doing whatever they could to destroy the republican ticket.
He didn’t really win. Winning requires a “level playing field.” Obama was delivered in a fog of hype and glittering facade. What a crock!
And your “after the primaries” comparison doesn’t really fly either. Obama adopted far left language and pandered to the radicals of the party including atheists, global warming enthusiasts, abortion lovers, people of color, and gullible students. His platform was basically a laundry list of promised redistribution to every special interest group. At the convention God was nearly tossed from the official platform before they realized it would probably be a game changer. And Joe Biden as a running mate wasn’t exactly a sparkling example of smart but the press didn’t treat him like a piece of s**t the way they did Sarah Palin. Hatred for George Bush was also liberally exploited after eight years of biased hateful negative press.
Your party is an underhanded, phony, power hungry bunch of liars…but a successful bunch all the same. You do it with propaganda, pandering, and smoke and mirrors to hide the radical elements.
After nearly eight years under Obama the people should know how far left this phony actually was. There’s been plenty of redistribution going on, crumbs from the table of elitists in power that steal from the middle class but far left policies have added to the numbers of poor stuck in dependency. Meanwhile Obama’s pals who play at Martha’s Vineyard made out like bandits. His lackluster economy offers little opportunity/jobs for the poor or the middle class. A phony bologna rip off is what the people of America have realized under this so-called centrist.
If the Dem Party can pull off the same ruse with Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, or Elizabeth Warren then it should be pretty clear that we are no longer a center right nation…the fundamental transformation is complete.
Tina: “His life and abilities were straight out of a fantasy with all dark (far left) information kept hidden.”
This is silly. Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright were news stories that were covered by the mainstream press extensively prior to the election. That’s not counting the false stories spread about his birth certificate, his religion, and his parenage. The voters knew about Obama’s past. They just didn’t care.
I’ll admit that the press was in the tank for Obama, but there was plenty of negative coverage about him as well.
“He didn’t really win.”
This must be a really nice thing to tell yourself to make you feel better.
“Obama adopted far left language and pandered to the radicals of the party including atheists, global warming enthusiasts, abortion lovers, people of color, and gullible students.”
Huh?
Atheists are radicals?
People who accept the consensus of 97% of scientists on a scientific issue are radicals?
People who accept Roe v. Wade, a forty-year-old SC decision, are radicals?
People of color are radicals?
College students are radicals?
Do you see why your party isn’t exactly seen as all that inclusive? You just labeled a whole lot of people as radicals.
“At the convention God was nearly tossed from the official platform before they realized it would probably be a game changer.”
That’s not radical. That’s literally just honoring the separation of church and state that was established over 200 years ago. There is no reason the word “God” needs to appear in a party platform. Are you also angry that God doesn’t appear in the Constitution?
“And Joe Biden as a running mate wasn’t exactly a sparkling example of smart but the press didn’t treat him like a piece of s**t the way they did Sarah Palin.”
Joe Biden also didn’t seek the press the way Sarah Palin did, so I can’t feel all that sorry for her. The sexist remarks, jokes about her kids and conspiracy theories about her son were all unjust, I’ll give you that much.
“Hatred for George Bush was also liberally exploited after eight years of biased hateful negative press.”
What about after eight years of completely unnecessary warfare and bloodshed in a country that had none of the WMDs we were told we were going to stop? Could that possibly have added to the hatred for George Bush?
Obama was voted in because we were tired of Bush’s policies, and while McCain made an effort to distance himself from many of them (his principled–and experience-based–stance against torture will always earn him points in my book), picking Palin as his VP was the death knell. Perhaps Biden should have been treated as just as bad, but he stayed in the background while Palin sought the spotlight, so here we are today.
It’s way too early to predict front runners in the next election. Too much can happen between now and Nov. 2016. But Chris’s pronouncement intrigued me: “”Trump does not have the “pop culture vote.” I’d wager his numbers among young voters are somewhere close to zero.”
Salvator La Mastra of The Blaze disagrees:
When Chris whines, I celebrate.
Chris “we” already have tolerated this type of conduct from someone who wants to represent our country. Obama’s conduct has been deplorable and his verbiage underhanded.
Obama is what I would call smooth. He’s a guy who keeps his ultimate agenda well hidden except to those who pay careful attention. Even after it was pointed out in 2008 what the meaning of “fundamental transformation” meant you were not interested in how he was duping the people. Even after his mentors and associates were shown to have been communists and far left radicals, you were not interested. Obama may have pretended to be a center left guy but if he did it was a bald faced lie…and still you were not interested. You said it yourself, “The voters knew about Obama’s past. They just didn’t care.”
“Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright were news stories that were covered by the mainstream press extensively prior to the election.”
Yeah, in an “Isn’t that interesting” sort of way, “…now let’s move on.” They could hardly contain their enthusiasm and gushing approval. Contrast that with their coverage of Sarah Palin beginning the moment she walked of the stage after her first speech…the press was cruel and vicious going to extraordinary lengths to destroy her image in the eyes of the public. That in itself makes your party unethical since they are obviously not journalists but cheer leaders for the left. If you can’t see the difference it’s because YOU don’t want to.
“I’ll admit that the press was in the tank for Obama…This must be a really nice thing to tell yourself to make you feel better.”
Read my line again…the point was that he was “delivered” rather than carefully considered by a press willing to cover and vet him. Your opinion comes out of the fact that you “didn’t care.”
Yes Chris, those special interest groups are run by radicals well schooled in the
Alinsky tactics. They do not share the live and let live attitudes that represent the American way of life. They represent minorities that want revolution for “fundamental transformation.
” Do you see why your party isn’t exactly seen as all that inclusive? You just labeled a whole lot of people as radicals.”
Do you see why your party should be seen as not all that inclusive?
Your party regularly offends entire groups of citizens…you just don’t notice! Your party always has an enemies list: Oil companies, white police officers, corporations, tea party members, bloggers, Republican congressmen, religious groups, 292 conservative groups applying for 501C4 status, gun owners, or any group they decide to slap with a negative label. Many of the people that are represented in the left’s interest groups are convinced they are victims being oppressed by “the enemy.” The “enemy”…another lovely term our so-called ethical President used to describe his opponents. You are apparently blind to all of this,,,or you “just don’t care,” choosing to act like you can claim the high road.
“That’s not radical. That’s literally just honoring the separation of church and state that was established over 200 years ago.”
Bologna. It was the hope of a minority group, atheists, who do everything they can to prevent “the free exercise” of religion and run any symbol of it from the public square.
“Are you also angry that God doesn’t appear in the Constitution?”
Of course not. Particularly since the free exercise portion IS included. I’m thrilled that our founders saw fit to refrain from establishing a state religion. The original settlers came here to escape religious oppression. Their writings are filled with the free exercise of their religions. These were honorable men who abhorred oppressive government (king)…your party, and all it’s various activists constantly seek to oppress by imposing their views on the citizens of this country.
Are you angry that “the free exercise thereof” is included in the Constitution?
I am not angry; I am passionate about the state of our nation and the Constitution.
Supposedly your party was courting religious people with a left perspective. At the Dem convention it was they who objected…apparently there were more of them than there were atheists cause they won and the word God was restored.
“Joe Biden also didn’t seek the press the way Sarah Palin did…”
So the rules are different for republican candidates? Obama sought the spotlight for TWO YEARS and he was never treated like a piece of s**t like Palin was.
“What about after eight years of completely unnecessary warfare and bloodshed in a country that had none of the WMDs we were told we were going to stop?”
Bush was elected …also twice. His approach to the problem of radical Islam included dealing with Iraq’s leader. Your party picked one aspect of his strategy, WMD, and harped on it for seven years even though high ranking members of your party believed the same thing. You still harp on it; you completely dismiss the success of our military in Iraq under Bush’s guidance. You do this at the same time that Obama has set about completely screwing up the strategy to terminate Al Qaida by abandoning the fledgling country and proceeding to wage deadly war from the air. His efforts have caused chaos in several countries. he drew red lines in the sand that he never planned to back up and he ushered in a new era of danger for every one in the ME.
Where is the comparable intense hatred and anger?
“Picking Palin as his VP was the death knell.”
Sure…she was the star of the show and such a threat to the Obama ticket that they went into high gear to destroy her…you simply can’t or won’t connect the dots.
“…he stayed in the background while Palin sought the spotlight ”
Or did the spotlight seek her out as a tactical matter? She participated in interviews in good faith and was ridiculed. Reporters camped out near her property for weeks and chased her around like a pack of dogs chasing the UPS truck. It was a set up. She did her best to stand up to the cruel and unethical treatment. I’m not sure anyone would survive what they did to her. But still you see the left as occupying the high ground. Incredible!
Joe Biden was a known entity, second fiddle to the star, Obama…there was no need to “seek the spotlight.” When he was covered he made some tremendous gaffs and the press just giggled…”there he goes again.”
Yes! Here we are today.
Tina: “His approach to the problem of radical Islam included dealing with Iraq’s leader.”
Which would have make sense, if Iraq’s leader had any connection to the problem of radical Islam. He did not.
“You still harp on it; you completely dismiss the success of our military in Iraq under Bush’s guidance.”
Because our military was not successful in Iraq under Bush’s guidance.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/defense/243853-jeb-bush-is-wrong-iraq-was-not-stable-before-obama
The Iraq War was one of the biggest mistakes ever committed in our nation’s history. Thousands of American soldiers and countless Iraqi citizens died for nothing. If you still can’t accept this, if you are determined to defend the man who ordered this, then you’re in denial.
Your comments on the God thing are contradictory. If the word “God” doesn’t appear in the Constitution, why do you think it needs to appear in the Democratic party platform? How does taking it out interfere with anyone’s free exercise of religion?
“They do not share the live and let live attitudes that represent the American way of life.”
Uh…neither do you. In 2008 you voted to forcibly annul the marriages of thousands of your fellow Californians simply because you disagreed with their marriages. You’ve never expressed an ounce of regret for voting to violate these citizens’ rights to equal protection under the law, as set out in the 14th Amendment.
And now you want to pretend that you have a “live and let live” attitude? The nerve.
More ethical, responsible speech by the president who can do no wrong:
“Harry and I drove over here together and we were doing a little reminiscing, and then figuring out how we’re going to deal with the crazies in terms of managing some problems. And then we talked about riding off into the sunset together.”
The man has no respect for other elected officials unless they agree to his brilliance and fall in line. This is not how the American system is supposed to work,
Obama has shown our allies the same respect. So much for “presidential material” according to Chris.
As I said most politicians use language that can be insulting. I object to the double standard.
Is this the RNC/GOP plan to force us into having Bush as our candidate? It makes sense to me. How do we stop it? Is it time for a third party?
Evidence Now Exists To Show Benefit Of GOPe Road-mapped “Splitter Strategy”….:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/22/tripwire-alert-evidence-now-exists-to-show-benefit-of-gope-road-mapped-splitter-strategy/
Chris: “Which would have make sense, if Iraq’s leader had any connection to the problem of radical Islam. He did not. ”
NY Sun:
The reports findings are summarized at the link. this information came from papers captured in Iraq. If the NY Times and other main stream news organizations didn’t report it it’s because the information didn’t align with the narrative from the left…their agenda, to destroy Bush and in the process the Republicans. Unethical? YES! Partisan journalism? YES! And still you refuse to even question what you are being told. Fool!
“Because our military was not successful in Iraq under Bush’s guidance. ”
Fool! Had the next president not abandoned Iraq, totally screwed up in Syria and Libya, and appeared to be a weak, appeasing, weenie the rise of IS would not have been so strong, it certainly would not be encroaching on Iraqi territory. Bush’s plan was to eliminate the enemy over what he said could take twenty years. Thank the Obama administration for abandoning that goal and in the process setting us way behind in the fight. The next president will have to deal with the absolutely horrendous mess Obama actively created in the ME.
Re The Hill article: Compared to the chaos after seven years under Obama Iraq WAS relatatively stable…at least it still had its borders intact! We certainly had the opportunity to assist that nation in joining the rest of the world to fight radical elements.
Following WWII troops were kept in Germany and Japan to create a strong presence of strength to suppress radical uprisings. Duh! This concept seems to have escaped the administration completely. The problem, as I pointed out before we went to war in Iraq, is that we can no longer depend on future administrations to remain vigilant and strong. We haven’t been able to sustain a campaign since WWII because the left has no interest in freedom and democracy…they prefer big government and think they can make friends with terrorists. As with Jimmy Carter whose appeasing policies betrayed the civilized leadership in Iran, Obama has come along to destroy the progress we had made in Iraq…both weak leaders ushered in and strengthened radical extremist elements.
“The Iraq War was one of the biggest mistakes ever committed in our nation’s history.”
That’s one opinion, it’s not the only opinion. And an opinion does not equal the truth. During the Bush years the leftist propaganda machine worked relentlessly to convince the American people it was a mistake. After Obama was elected our resolve was reduced to pretense, appeasement became the new posture, and relentless criticism became a thing of the past. Obama abandoned the strategy and Iraq he abandoned the men and women who died and lost limbs to support the goal of defeating terrorists. Obama talks about defeating the enemy but under his watch they have expanded and taken control of territory that crosses borders…they virtually created a nation state of their own, making them seem more legitimate in the region.
” If the word “God” doesn’t appear in the Constitution, why do you think it needs to appear in the Democratic party platform? ”
You are confused! It matters not to me one way or another. Removal would be an indication of the far left radical new face of the Dem Party. It was THE PARTY that put it in there because of the large group of their own religious constituents that would be offended at the thought of removing it.
“How does taking it out interfere with anyone’s free exercise of religion?”
I didn’t say I thought it would. I merely pointed out that the radical left does everything it can to remove religion from the public square.
“Uh…neither do you. In 2008 you voted to forcibly annul the marriages of thousands of your fellow Californians…”
Uh, I did not. I voted to preserve the definition of marriage, husband, wife, mother, father. I voted against activists in the courts who overturned the will of the people at the time. I voted consistently with the idea that marriage is not a right but an obligation and that gay people have the same rights as others to marry anyone of the opposite sex, in keeping with the definition of marriage. I voted to support the idea that gay people are free to live however they want, they have a vehicle to obtain the tax and other advantages they want without changing the definition of a word. I voted to preserve the current (at that time) law in California regarding civil unions. I would also vote to make civil unions the norm throughout the nation.
My position is considerably more “live and let live” than the gay position of forcing, unnecessarily, the altering of definitions that have been accepted for centuries. It’s only logical that if you have to change a definition to get what you want your case is weak and symbolic rather than substantive. Words mean things, and should, even to gay folks.
“You’ve never expressed an ounce of regret…”
Why would I express regret? My views have not changed. I did acknowledge you won the argument but that’s not enough for you. Like a typical lefty you insist that I get my mind right and bow down to the lefts position. That’s definitely not “live and let live,” in fact it is oppressive. It shows the contempt and intolerance that lefties have for those that hold different opinions. That’s not an American value! That’s a Marxist, fascist, totalitarian value.
Peggy Reagan showed us the way. He defeated the machine. If we want to do the same we have to be smart about it. Trump is doing a good job of disrupting their plans but I don’t think he will be the only one. I don’t know about a third party. It would effectively split the more conservative side of politics and give the radicals on the left free reign.
The article sue proves that that our leadership from both parties have gained way too much power. The solution is electing good candidates who care about American more than themselves and destroying the radicals that have taken over the Democrat party. We will never see America restored as long as Marxist seek fundamental transformation and world government.
Re: Chris: “Which would have make sense, if Iraq’s leader had any connection to the problem of radical Islam. He did not. ”
Idiot.
Ignorant, uninformed, information starved, stupid, worthless progressive hack from jack*** hell. This is the sort of person who claims to “educate” our youth?
Never mind, Tina just dismissed this moron.
Tina: We will never see America restored as long as Marxists seek fundamental transformation, world government and are allowed to propagandize without challenge in the form of words and arms. Do Not Tread On Me.