In Iowa Republican Insiders Rejected – Carson Neck and Neck with Trump

Posted by Tina

The Republican primaries in Iowa are proving to be a great indicator of the American people rejecting the dysfunction, overreach and power of government elites.

A survey of Iowa voters revealed that, “56 per cent of Iowa GOP’ers want a presidential nominee with no political pedigree at all.” In fact the top four contenders all come from the private sector with Dr. Ben Carson rising in the ranks to a tied position at 23% with Donald Trump. Carly Fiorina, at 10%, fills the number three slot with Ted Cruz in fourth place at 9%.

I hope they’re getting the message in Washington DC.

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56 Responses to In Iowa Republican Insiders Rejected – Carson Neck and Neck with Trump

  1. Peggy says:

    Ted Cruz is in this group of non-establishment GOP candidates because of his ongoing fighting against them since taking office. It’s statements like this that have helped Ben Carson to reach his high mark in this poll. The man is smarter than your average politician.

    Mic Drop: Ben Carson Shuts Up Planned Parenthood Advocates With Just One Question:

    http://chicksontheright.com/blog/item/30134-mic-drop-ben-carson-shuts-up-planned-parenthood-advocates-with-just-one-question

  2. Tina says:

    Both Ben Carson and Cruz are very intelligent. I’d get behind a Cruz Carson ticket in a heartbeat.

    Good answer for Carson on PP.

    If liberals want to be outraged why not be outraged by a group that would put their “services” in danger by doing such despicable, illegal things!

    • Peggy says:

      I’m right there with you. I’d support anyone on the GOP side except Jeb, Christie, Graham and probably a couple of others I can’t think of right now. Cruz HAS to be in the #1 or #2.

  3. Peggy says:

    Powerful!

    Black Marine Speaks Directly to Black Lives Matter Movement in Excoriating Video Message: ‘The God’s Honest Truth’:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/08/31/black-marine-speaks-directly-to-black-lives-matter-movement-in-excoriating-video-message-the-gods-honest-truth/

  4. Pie Guevara says:

    I could go for either a Carson-Cruz or Cruz-Carson ticket. It is Trump I simply cannot tolerate. Scott Walker has committed political suicide so it is goodbye to him.

  5. Pie Guevara says:

    Off Topic

    A blow for freedom against the totalitarian, liberty and freedom hating progressives —

    March For Life Defeats Obama Administration In Court
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/31/march-for-life-defeats-obama-administration-in-court/

    How long will it last?

  6. Steve says:

    The sad thing is that, for most of the people who support Trump, Ted Cruz has already advocated (quite eloquently) most of the positions they support Trump for. We also know we can trust Cruz to stand by those positions.
    I heard a commentator say today that Trump has more time in front of a TV camera than any other candidate, he is literally a TV star, and that this is how he knows how to manipulate the media. The last time we saw someone with this ability was when Schwarzenegger ran in the recall against Gray Davis. Arnold’s conservatism did not last beyond his first term.
    I have resolved to try not to demean or attack any Republican candidates however. I will try very hard to promote the conservatives I support without attacking the moderates in the fight. This is because I know I will end up supporting who ever wins the Republican primary in the general election and it’s easier if I have less words to eat. Having spoke out against most of our moderate republican legislators in the north state I know it from experience too.

  7. Tina says:

    Thoughts about Trump

    He is out there taking criticism like a blocker, sucking up the air time.

    He is dumbfounding the press and the RNC.

    He is expressing conservative views, cutting through the radical left/PC/Media agenda

    He is challenging the Republican Party to listen or die…and to stop disparaging TP’ers, a group that is largely responsible for ushering them into power

    He is pushing the idea that Americans want to be strong again.

    Trump is not my favorite pic but I’m glad he’s out there taking command of the narrative

  8. Peggy says:

    Carson moves into a tie for first and the Alinsky-style attacks come out within hours.

    Carson’s response is priceless. The man is NO dummy.

    http://www.youngcons.com/ben-carson-called-moron-for-believing-in-god-shreds-atheist-with-response/

    • Pie Guevara says:

      I love atheists. They are so stuck on themselves and comprise the biggest group of whiners on the planet next to Moslems. I once considered myself an atheist, but after realizing that 99.99% of atheists are self-aggrandizing, pompous, and obnoxious jerks I decided it was not a good idea to associate myself with them.

      Atheists are a lot like progressives, they think they posses a superior intellect, that non-atheists are stupid “sheeple” willing to be led around by the nose, and that their excrement smells like roses. They kinda sound like Dewey and Chris. In fact, they sound a lot like Dewey and Chris.

      • Post Scripts says:

        Pie, I’ve always thought that atheists are not very imaginative because their thinking is so finite. If a person looks up at the stars they are looking into eternity, a world without end. That tells me that many things we might think of as impossible are actually possible, given enough time and chances.

    • Chris says:

      Peggy, that’s actually a very old joke; I highly doubt Carson ever said that, but if he did, he certainly wasn’t the first.

      Also, if he did say it, I don’t think demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution is good evidence that he isn’t a moron; absolutely no scientist believes that humans “came from monkeys.” That’s simply not what evolution says.

      • Chris says:

        OK, I found confirmation that Carson did in fact say that quote:

        http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/06/ben-carson-i-came-from-god-not-a-monkey/

        This proves to me that Carson is a moron. Not for believing in God, of course; many intelligent and rational people believe in God, and I go back and forth on the issue. Carson is a moron for not knowing the basics of the theory of human evolution despite being a medical doctor. (Alternatively, he knows the theory quite well, and chose to misrepresent it because he knew it would be a hit with his moron audience.)

        He may be a brilliant surgeon, but that’s about the only area in which he is not a moron.

        • Post Scripts says:

          Chris, now I could be wrong, but it seems obvious to me what Carson was going for. Here’s a guy who is putting him down in a rude fashion over his religious beliefs – how does he counter in a disarming, yet humorous fashion? Mark Twain, Winston Churchill and Ronald Reagan were masters of this and they knew a humorous retort to an insult does not have to be literally defensible in order to be effective. Tip: Don’t apply too high a standard in pursuit of criticism, it will backfire and come off sounding petty. Now here are some great quotes that have stuck in my memory.

          Eleanor Roosevelt: Mr. Churchill, you are drunk!
          Mr. Churchill: Yes, madam I am, but you are ugly and in the morning I shall be sober.

          During a debate Sen. Bentsen said to Dan Quayle: “I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy.” He instantly deflated Quayle to a thunderous round of applause.

          Mark Twain: “… suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.”

          Chris, what Carson did was perfectly acceptable in the context of political parrying.

          • Pie Geuvara says:

            The only moron here is Chris the brain surgeon. Sheesh, what a twit.

          • Pie Guevara says:

            There is no doubt in my mind that Dr. Ben Carson fully understands evolution theory. He could not pursue a career in medicine without understanding it.

            Obviously Carson believes that God had a hand in the creation of human beings. This does not make him a “moron” who rejects evolutionary theory, but it does demonstrate that Chris is a moron whose parents and educators were baboons and created an idiot.

            I agree, Jack, Carson was jousting and throwing the rudeness of this person (and the now the vile Chris) right back in theirs faces with humor.

            Progressives and atheists are are total idiots who think they are intellectual, moral giants and think they are God’s gift to humankind.

            They are — in fact — tiny, vain, perverse fools who understand nothing.

          • Chris says:

            Jack, you make a good point. However, I still think Carson’s comments were irresponsible for a few reasons:

            1) Carson has said on numerous occasions that he does not accept the theory of evolution, so it’s hard to accept that this statement was merely a pithy joke; it seems to actually represent his beliefs on the subject.

            2) Carson is a respected neurosurgeon and now a political figure, and at the time he was speaking to an audience that views him as a reliable and trustworthy source of information. For him to misrepresent evolution in such a way in that context is irresponsible. Many people who heard the remark will now feel they have justification to misrepresent evolutionary theory–after all, Carson says that evolution means we come from monkeys, and he’s a neurosurgeon, so it must be true!

            3) Carson was speaking about an important and, unfortunately, politically controversial issue on which there is already a lot of confusion and misinformation. Joke or not, his remark added to this climate of confusion and misinformation. His target audience is likely already quite misinformed on what the theory of evolution says, and he only added to that.

            Finally, it’s just not that funny of a joke, because it’s based on a false premise. Evolution doesn’t say man evolved from monkeys, so the joke doesn’t make sense on a basic level. Jokes are only funny if they are based on truth. Now, if Carson had said “You believe your cousin is a monkey, and you’ve convinced me you’re right,” it might work a little better, though I admit that doesn’t quite land well enough. But in my opinion, the attempt at humor doesn’t outweigh the overall effect this has on his audience’s understanding of this important scientific matter.

  9. Peggy says:

    Had your laugh today? Clear the floor cuz you’ll need room to roll.

    The ‘Denali’ Word Obama Chose for Mt. McKinley Has a Hidden Meaning That’s Already Spawning Jokes:

    http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/407736-the-denali-word-obama-chosefor-mt-mckinley-has-a-hidden-meaning-thats-already-spawning-jokes/?author=kb&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=politics&utm_term=ijamerica

    • Pie Guevara says:

      I don’t have a problem with reverting to the traditional name for the mountain, but anything that pokes fun at the Choom-meister pot head is OK with me. Frankly, given his performance as president, I think the President Choom has access to the best weed on the planet and still smokes it here, smokes it there, smokes it everywhere.

  10. Peggy says:

    Sharyl Attkisson just release a post that includes a link to Hillary Clinton’s email available at the WSJ.

    New Hillary Clinton Emails Show Violation of Freedom of Information Law:
    https://sharylattkisson.com/new-hillary-clinton-emails-show-violation-of-freedom-of-information-law/

  11. Tina says:

    Chris: ” I don’t think demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution is good evidence that he isn’t a moron; absolutely no scientist believes that humans “came from monkeys.” That’s simply not what evolution says. He may be a brilliant surgeon, but that’s about the only area in which he is not a moron.”

    There’s that arrogance again! “The only area where he is not a moron?”

    You go to extremes!

    Whether scientists believe that humans evolved (came from) monkeys or not the atheist/scientific narrative is deceptive. The common phrase in use is, “Man and modern apes share a common ancestor.” Hair splitting if you ask me. If we share a “common ancestor” we are cousins. I realize that scientists think this means we evolved differently but come on, it’s still a belief that humans are nothing more than “more evolved” apes. it certainly doesn’t include the idea that all of the species were created, which was the not so subtle point being made.

    No scientist has proven the evolution of one species from another or from a common ancestor. It’s all theory and opinion.

    UC Berkley:

    To begin with, let’s take a step back. Although the evolution of hominid features is sometimes put in the framework of “apes vs. humans,” the fact is that humans are apes, just as they are primates and mammals. A glance at the evogram shows why. The other apes — chimp, bonobo, gorilla, orangutan, gibbon — would not form a natural, monophyletic group (i.e., a group that includes all the descendants of a common ancestor) — if humans were excluded. Humans share many traits with other apes, and those other “apes” (i.e., non-human apes) don’t have unique features that set them apart from humans. Humans have some features that are uniquely our own, but so do gorillas, chimps, and the rest. Hominid evolution should not be read as a march to human-ness (even if it often appears that way from narratives of human evolution). Students should be aware that there is not a dichotomy between humans and apes. Humans are a kind of ape.

    All About Science:

    The modern theory concerning the evolution of man proposes that humans and apes derive from an apelike ancestor that lived on earth a few million years ago. The theory states that man, through a combination of environmental and genetic factors, emerged as a species to produce the variety of ethnicities seen today, while modern apes evolved on a separate evolutionary pathway.

    All About Science:

    The theory concerning the evolution of man is under increased scrutiny due to the persistence of gaps in the fossil record, the inability to demonstrate “life-or-death” determining advantageous genetic mutations, and the lack of experiments or observations to truly confirm the evidence for speciation. Overall, the evolution of man pervades as the accepted paradigm on the origin of man within the scientific community. This is not because it has been proven scientifically, but because alternative viewpoints bring with them metaphysical implications which go against the modern naturalistic paradigm. Nevertheless, a closer examination of the evidence reveals evolution to be increasingly less scientific and more reliant upon beliefs, not proof.

    The Guardian :

    The biologist Soojin Yi’s team at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta compared 63m base pairs of DNA from different species, where each base is a letter in the animal’s genetic code. They then analysed the DNA to look at what evolutionary biologists call the molecular clock, the rate at which an animal’s genetic code evolves. The speed of the clock shows how the span of a generation has changed over the millennia.

    The tests showed that even though humans and chimps split from a common ancestor between 5m and 7m years ago, the rate at which their genetic codes were evolving was extremely similar, differing by only 3%, and much slower than gorillas and orang-utans.

    A slow molecular clock suggests that the time between generations is long, something that has historically set humans apart from the great apes. Team member Navin Elango said: “We found that the chimpanzee’s generation time is a lot closer to that of humans than it is to other apes.”

    According to the scientists, whose study appears today in the US journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the finding suggests some human traits only emerged 1m years ago, a fleeting moment on evolutionary scales.

    “This study provides further support for the hypothesis that humans and chimpanzees should be in one genus, rather than in two different genera, because we not only share extremely similar genomes, we share similar generation time,” said Dr Yi.

    Sociology Guide:

    In the simplest sense ,evolution means the slow process of change from a simple to a more complex structure. Evolution assumes that all living things are inter-related. Humans are supposed to have developed from some simpler forms. Most of the scientists today accept the basic principle of evolution but they have varying views regarding how evolution has taken place or how far it has gone.

    The evolution of life began in the oceans. About four hundred million years ago the first land based creatures emerged. Some of these gradually evolved into the large reptiles who were later displaced by mammals. Mammals are warm-blooded creatures having greater capacity to learn from experience than other animals and this capacity has reached its highest development in the human species. Our closest relatives are chimpanzee, gorilla and oranguatan. Though similarities between man and other animal forms were discovered by Linnaeus who grouped men ,the great ape and monkeys in a single order, primates, the three main theories are Lamarckism, Darwinism and Synthetic theory.

    There is still interest in finding the evolutionary bridge or “missing link”:

    Discovery:

    “It does look like a good ‘transitional’ fossil, doesn’t it?” added Berger, who is a researcher in the Wits Evolutionary Studies Institute at the University of the Witwatersrand. He named the species, which was found at a site called Malapa, near Johannesburg.

    The tooth study found that Au. sediba was closely related to Au. africanus, which lived until about 2.1 million years ago. These species, in turn, shared numerous dental similarities with Homo erectus, an early human species.

    “All of the research so far shows that sediba had a mosaic of primitive traits and newer traits that suggest it was a bridge between earlier australopiths and the first humans,” said Debbie Guatelli-Steinberg, co-author of one of the studies and a professor of anthropology at Ohio State University

    Prior research determined what Au. sediba ate.

    Peter Schmid of the University of Zurich, who also analyzed this species’ remains, shared that the early probable ancestor was not a carnivore.

    “Microscopic elements of plants were found in the tartar of the teeth of Au. sediba,” Schmid told Discovery News. “It was largely a vegetarian and shows a rather human-like chewing apparatus.”

    In terms of how it walked, Schmid and the other researchers explained that Au. sediba had a small heel resembling that of a chimp. It walked rather awkwardly — with an inward rotation of the knee and hip, with its feet slightly twisted. The scientists conclude that this pigeon-toed way of walking on two limbs might have been an evolutionary compromise between walking upright and tree climbing.

    Such a detailed understanding of these movements is possible because remains for a female Au. sediba preserve her heel, ankle, knee, hip and lower back. In contrast, the famous “Lucy” skeleton, representative of the species Au. afarensis, only preserves a hip and ankle.

    Yet another new study analyzed Au. sediba’s upper limbs. They were “primitive,” meaning more like those of an ape, suggesting that these individuals still spent some time swinging and climbing in trees.

    This again makes Au. sediba a good candidate as a transitional species, because it appears to have spent most of its time on the ground, but it hadn’t entirely left the trees yet.

    Scientists talk in terms of man and ape. Your criticism of Dr. Carson is petty, arrogant, and moronic

    • Pie Guevara says:

      Re Tina “Scientists talk in terms of man and ape. Your criticism of Dr. Carson is petty, arrogant, and moronic.”

      Tina, you just described Chris and his idiotic criticism of Dr. Ben Carson in a nutshell.

      Human beings are apes, until taxonomical definitions change. There is significant evidence that human apes and other species of apes may share a common ancestor. Hell, we are all fish at some time if you examine the development of the human embryo. There is no doubt in my mind that Dr. Ben Carson is aware of all of this yet believes that God had a hand in the creation of homo sapiens.

      To repeat with a resounding yes — Chris’s criticism of Dr. Carson is petty, arrogant, and moronic. Why? BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT CHRIS IS.

      • Chris says:

        Pie: “There is no doubt in my mind that Dr. Ben Carson is aware of all of this yet believes that God had a hand in the creation of homo sapiens.”

        I’m not sure what you mean here. I agree that Carson is probably aware of the theory you describe, however, he has gone on record as not accepting the theory of evolution.

        http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/ben-carson-evolution-life-evolve-non-life-incredible-fairy-tales

        You’re right that it’s possible to believe in both evolution and God’s guiding hand in creation, however, that doesn’t appear to match Carson’s position.

        • Post Scripts says:

          Chris, lets say that Ben Carson has views on evolution that differ from Darwinian supporters and most educators, but are mainstream and very consistent within the Christian religion. Does this make him a bad presidential candidate? I don’t think so. Regarding religious qualities…President’s are only expected only to be of good moral character (they frequently aren’t) and tend to the affairs of state in the best possible way they know. I think Carson is alright, he’s a thoughtful man, but obviously he’s not your candidate. How did you feel about Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, do you like either of them? Are there any republican candidates you like? How about the current democrat candidates…any of them that you like?

          • Chris says:

            Jack, if Carson does not accept the views of the vast majority of scientists on the issue of evolution, then I do think that makes him a bad presidential candidate. It shows that he is willing to put ideology above evidence, which is an unfortunate quality to have in a president.

            I was a tot when Clinton took office but I think he was overall a good president, unethical conduct in his personal life aside.

            Obama has done a lot that I agree with but his aggressive targeting of whistleblowers such as Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden, as well as legalizing indefinite detention and targeted assassination of American citizens, made it impossible for me to vote for him again in 2012, so I voted third party. I also agree with you that he has inserted himself into unnecessary matters too many times. While I agreed with his comments on Trayvon Martin and other issues regarding mistreatment of black citizens, it’s the president’s job to stay above the fray and not open himself up to the kinds of attacks he’s faced because of those comments. I don’t blame him for the racial tension we face today because I think he merely pointed it out, but I wish he had found more unifying ways to express himself.

            I don’t “like” any Republican candidates but some have done things I respect, like Lindsay Graham. I also like the way Carly Fiorina expresses herself even though I think she’s usually wrong.

            But then I don’t like Hilary Clinton or Sanders either, so I may end up voting third party again.

        • Pie Guevara says:

          BS. Try reading the article YOU POST with an unjaundiced eye instead of being such an unrelenting ***hole.

          Dr. Ben Carson is not the moron here, YOU ARE. He questions SOME of the science, he is not a totalitarian, absolutist, goose-stepping creep like you are about it.

          I may not agree with some or all of Dr. Ben Carson’s views on evolution, but that does not make him unqualified to be president, nor it does not make him a moron, nor it does not make him wrong.

          Drop dead Chris. Take your hatred of Carson and Republicans, and conservatives and stick it where the sun does not shine. I am completely fed up with your vile and myopic progressive scum bag ways.

          Sanctuary Cities Are Illegal – It’s Anarchy – They Must Be Stopped!
          Post Scripts 6 July 2015
          http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2015/07/06/sanctuary-cities-illegal-anarchy-stopped/

          #35 Chris : “I’m only going to respond to one thing above, and then I don’t plan on engaging with or talking about Pie Guevara again.”

          Stick to your plan you odious clown.

          • Chris says:

            Pie Guevara,

            How about I don’t speak to or about you, and you don’t speak to or about me?

            What’s going on now isn’t doing either of us any good and I’m sure everyone else is tired of it too. Jack and Tina have had to repost the rules of engagement nearly every few months and it’s almost always a result of one of our exchanges. Just yesterday they reposted them again and nothing has changed.

            So how about, since it’s apparently impossible for us to address each other civilly, we just ignore each other completely? I can’t ignore insults directed my way and obviously neither can you, so it would be better if we just pretended the others’ comments just didn’t exist.

            Fair compromise?

    • Chris says:

      Tina: “No scientist has proven the evolution of one species from another”

      I have shown you that this has been observed in both bacteria and birds, not to mention plants. But perhaps we are talking past each other. What is your definition of the term “species?”

  12. Tina says:

    Dewey: “Curious. Do you support Ted Cruz in his fight to start selling off America’s public lands? – I ask because if anyone thinks the average person will be able to buy any of this land …well think again. The Billionaires are buying and selling off taxpayer land.”

    Yeah those evil citizens that have the money and the ability to purchase, legally, land in America must be stopped! Ever heard of freedom and property rights? Ever heard of division of tracts to create affordable parcels to sell to the public? Ever heard of state protected lands? We have many options.

    The founders never intended for the federal government to “own” land in America. That they do is a power play to stifle control at the state level and today, to sign on to such insane agreements as placing control of our waterways in the hands of the UN.

    Constitutionally (God granted) guaranteed individual freedom is the only thing that we have to fight off the tyranny of the few.

    Dewey you seem to be a confused man when it comes to American ideals, the rule of law, and what it takes to preserve our sovereignty and freedom.

  13. Tina says:

    Peggy looks like the humor factor on Obama has reached a new high!

  14. Pie Guevara says:

    Noise about Mitt Romney jumping in keeps surfacing. I wouldn’t mind at all if he did.

  15. Pie Guevara says:

    Cogratulations Carly Fiorina!

    “The organizers of the next Republican presidential debate have announced changes to debate criteria that mean former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina will almost certainly join the rest of the top-tier candidates on the main stage at the Reagan Library on Sept. 16.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/01/carly-fiorina-gets-a-spot-on-the-big-stage-at-the-gop-debate/

    This may end up clearing out some of the dead wood.

  16. Tina says:

    Pie I wouldn’t mind if Romney got into the race. Great news on Fiorina and Kelly!

  17. Tina says:

    Chris what you described is adaptation. I’m very aware of plants and animals adapting to new circumstances even to the point that we humans find enough difference to give it a separate distinct name. That is not evolution as described.

    The following definition of evolution suffices for me:

    NOUN

    the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
    synonyms: Darwinism · natural selection

    Chris do you think that all life on earth evolved from a single cell or source?

    Here’s another thought, not based in science necessarily but interesting to think about. Everything living thing on earth deteriorates and dies over time. It seems to me that this fact puts the theory that organism evolve upward in question.

    Humans are always looking for explanations about how we got here. To me the evolution theory is just as fantastic as the creation theory…both require a leap of faith…one in science and the other in God.

    To my mind the intricate design in every cell of the human body and every leaf of grass, suggests a designer. Such things don’t just gradually come about. It would be like believing if you left a bunch of metal, fibers, and plastic on a runway for a very long time, a 707 would eventually “evolve” from the materials.

    Science is fascinating but it also includes the human element which is flawed and prone to deciding it’s conclusions must be right. Some scientists have pursued a theory for a lifetime only to admit in the end their theory was wrong.

    One more thing guides my personal belief. The idea that we are not our bodies. Our bodies are not who we are. Our bodies are a vessel equipped with amazing tools for our survival and use. Just food for thought.

    • Chris says:

      Tina: “Chris do you think that all life on earth evolved from a single cell or source?”

      I’m not sure.

      “Here’s another thought, not based in science necessarily but interesting to think about. Everything living thing on earth deteriorates and dies over time. It seems to me that this fact puts the theory that organism evolve upward in question.”

      But things also grow and improve before they start the descent toward death, don’t they? If you applied the theory of entropy to everything then you’d have to conclude that all growth is impossible.

      Also, most scientists don’t believe that evolution is by nature directional or always moving “upwards.” Here’s a pretty good explanation:

      Because natural selection can produce amazing adaptations, it’s tempting to think of it as an all-powerful force, urging organisms on, constantly pushing them in the direction of progress — but this is not what natural selection is like at all.

      First, natural selection is not all-powerful; it does not produce perfection. If your genes are “good enough,” you’ll get some offspring into the next generation — you don’t have to be perfect. This should be pretty clear just by looking at the populations around us: people may have genes for genetic diseases, plants may not have the genes to survive a drought, a predator may not be quite fast enough to catch her prey every time she is hungry. No population or organism is perfectly adapted.

      Second, it’s more accurate to think of natural selection as a process rather than as a guiding hand. Natural selection is the simple result of variation, differential reproduction, and heredity — it is mindless and mechanistic. It has no goals; it’s not striving to produce “progress” or a balanced ecosystem.

      This is why “need,” “try,” and “want” are not very accurate words when it comes to explaining evolution. The population or individual does not “want” or “try” to evolve, and natural selection cannot try to supply what an organism “needs.” Natural selection just selects among whatever variations exist in the population. The result is evolution.

      At the opposite end of the scale, natural selection is sometimes interpreted as a random process. This is also a misconception. The genetic variation that occurs in a population because of mutation is random — but selection acts on that variation in a very non-random way: genetic variants that aid survival and reproduction are much more likely to become common than variants that don’t. Natural selection is NOT random!

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_32

      “Humans are always looking for explanations about how we got here. To me the evolution theory is just as fantastic as the creation theory…both require a leap of faith…”

      But evolution is based on processes, such as natural selection and adaptation, that we have observed. We have never witnessed spontaneous creation of a fully formed species. We have seen one species evolve into another. We haven’t seen an intelligent designer. The leaps of faith are not of equivalent size.

      “To my mind the intricate design in every cell of the human body and every leaf of grass, suggests a designer.”

      Doesn’t that just beg the question of how the designer came about? If life can’t spontaneously come from non-life, then how did God get here? If he was always here, that’s just as impossible as the idea of something coming out of nothing.

      • Post Scripts says:

        Hey Chris, for what its worth I see natural selection at work in almost everything. The way I see it is, we adapt to extreme challenges or we die. DNA is always subject to change, by accident or by adapting to a new environment. We’ve seen this happen over thousands of years. The good DNA changes live on, the bad ones die out, just as they should. Over time even very subtle changes in DNA make for profound changes in the brain and our overall physiology.

        It’s just my opinion, but I think it’s perfectly compatible to think that a higher power may have had a hand in the creation of life as we know it and yet still believe in evolution. Science keeps peeling back the mysteries of life and that’s great, but so far I’ve seen nothing to cancel out belief in a higher power. Religion shouldn’t fear that. As one of my old Pastors once said, truth stands the test of time and that’s a healthy way to look at it. I’ll never close my mind to knew discovery…in fact the older I get the more I want to cram in as much discovery as I can. I can’t wait to learn something new… its exciting!

  18. Tina says:

    Pie: “Stick to your plan you odious clown.”

    Chris: “I can’t ignore insults directed my way ”

    It’s very difficult for me to ignore insults and comments meant to tarnish my reputation and character, so I can sympathize with Chris on this one.

    Pie you have said yourself that you would attempt to improve in this area. I have encouraged you to do so. I realize that characterizations such as, “you odious clown” may not technically cross the lie drawn by the ER but it does gnaw at the spirit Jack has tried hard to create for us in Post Scripts.

    Chris calling Dr. Carson a “moron” for holding religious views isn’t really any different, it’s just that Dr. Carson doesn’t happen to contribute here.

    Perhaps requirements for posting should include recognition that this is a free speech blog, that as adults we are personally responsible for what we post and how we feel about what others post, and that as adults we must develop the capacity to shrug off that which insults, offends, or demeans.

    A good rule might be to ignore each other but I’d rather see you mature. It’s only been one day guys. Can we dial it back…or not?

    • Pie Guevara says:

      OK Tina. I certainly do not wish to cause you and Jack any grief. The Great Chris dropped by to call Dr. Ben Carson a moron. Chris IS an odious and vile clown. Nevertheless I shall make it a point to refrain from calling Chris what he is in the future and let Chris be Chris without objection or feeling compelled to tell him what he is. I’ll let you kids handle him by letting take a his daily crap in and on Post Scripts.

      After all, calling him what he is certainty does not change his vile and odious behavior. He is a progressive, he can’t help being a despicable jerk. He can’t change. He is a know-it-all and insults anyone he disagrees with at the drop of a hat.

      That is Chris.

  19. Pie Guevara says:

    Chris —

    Sanctuary Cities Are Illegal – It’s Anarchy – They Must Be Stopped!
    Post Scripts 6 July 2015
    http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2015/07/06/sanctuary-cities-illegal-anarchy-stopped/

    #35 Chris : “I’m only going to respond to one thing above, and then I don’t plan on engaging with or talking about Pie Guevara again.”

    Stick to your plan, ****-***-******.

  20. Pie Guevara says:

    Tina and Jack, I fell again into the pit of Chris. I am an imperfect being who slaps back. The Brat comes daily, loaded with brickbats, this inspires me to come loaded with baseball bats. I shall endeavor to turn the other cheek and let Chris defecate on Post Scripts, conservatives, the Tea Party, and Republicans to his heart’s content without comment.

  21. Pie Guevara says:

    One last comment …

    Post Scripts and their followers may know how much I dislike Donald Trump and for what reasons. Jeb Bush stood up and said recently, “he tries to personalize everything. If you’re not totally in agreement with him you’re an idiot, or stupid, or don’t have energy, or blah blah blah.”

    Jeb nails it succinctly. At the same time he perfectly describes Chris and progressives in general. In fact, I am start to like Jeb again just for this statement.

    Chris is simply a Trump sans the acumen to acquire wealth. Blowhards are blowhards. “El hombre [Trump] no es conservador.” Same for Chris.

  22. Pie Guevara says:

    Related —

    As illegal Latino immigrants flood and stress US schools, @Univision’s @GeorgeRamos15 sends his brats to elite private schools. Must be nice.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/01/jorge-ramos-uses-wall-but-wants-open-borders-for-the-rest-of-us/

  23. Tina says:

    Pie you might consider that Chris reveals himself to all in his comments. Most of us get it without your characterizations. It’s grand of you to feel the desire to protect PS, and I thank you for that, but I don’t think it’s necessary.

    The guidelines I’ve given myself: Go ahead and type whatever flies into your head. Pause. Breathe. Reconsider. Personal criticism and name calling is not as dynamic as criticizing behaviors and ideas. Use the backup or delete keys to clean it what I’ve written. Discover ways to counter that has greater impact.

    I wish you success in your endeavor to ignore the insults.

    That’s what I strive to do, although I admit I sometimes give in to my passions.

  24. Tina says:

    Chris: “But things also grow and improve before they start the descent toward death, don’t they?”

    Actually when you consider that our bodies begin to deterioratewhen we’re in our twenties…

    “If you applied the theory of entropy to everything then you’d have to conclude that all growth is impossible.”

    No…our bodies begin with everything they need to grow and develop both in the womb and after birth, but we are pretty much done with growth and development by age twenty or so. Of course that’s a generality. Then the slow process toward death begins, excellerating around aged fifty. In modern times we’ve found ways to extend our years, some of us more healthy than others, but ultimately we die because our cells can’t reproduce…radiation from the sun being a factor.

    Examples of the language in the explanation you posted:

    “…natural selection can produce amazing adaptations.” “No population or organism is perfectly adapted.”

    There’s that word again, adaptation. I don’t disagree that conditions in the environment and diet can create adaptations that lead to what amounts to a new version of the bird or lizard, etc. But the fact remains they are still in the same category of animal. There’s no evidence of a leap or adaptation that results in a lizard evolving into a bird. (Not that that is a good example)

    “…it’s more accurate to think of natural selection as a process rather than as a guiding hand. ”

    Gotta get the rejection of God or a designer into the mix!

    “Natural selection is the simple result of variation, differential reproduction, and heredity — it is mindless and mechanistic. It has no goals; it’s not striving to produce “progress” or a balanced ecosystem.”

    Hmmm…”a balanced ecosystem “…have you noticed how perfect our world and our bodies are? It’s utterly mind boggling and humbling!

    “Natural selection just selects among whatever variations exist in the population. The result is evolution.”

    See it’s easy…”Natural selection just selects!” There’s nothing fantastic (unbelievable requiring a leap of faith) about the process

    “…natural selection is sometimes interpreted as a random process.This is also a misconception. The genetic variation that occurs in a population because of mutation is random…”

    Is it random or is it not? If natural selection, interpreted as random, is a “misconception,” then how can the “variation”…” because of mutation,” be random?

    “…genetic variants that aid survival and reproduction are much more likely to become common than variants that don’t.”

    Says who? By what evidence is this statement made? (End )

    “We have seen one species evolve into another. We haven’t seen an intelligent designer.”

    Come on Chris. The theory suggest all of life evolved from a single celled animal…or a sea creature in the ocean or however else they imagine it. Yet there is not a single bit of material evidence that this ever occurred…adaptation within animal types, yes, but not man evolving from other cells/creatures over time.

    So we haven’t “seen” either one…both require belief or faith.

    I believe evolution is a much more fantastic idea than that of a powerful knowing designer. From what you have said you are still deciding.

    “Doesn’t that just beg the question of how the designer came about?

    Not to me. To me it invokes humility. I’m certain that no one on earth has the capacity to create a universe, a world perfectly situated and designed to sustain life, filled with wondrous organisms, animals, plants and human beings capable of creativity.

    If life can’t spontaneously come from non-life…”

    Non-life? Sorry, evolutionists always begin with something…some organism…without ever explaining how it got there. We speculate about the creation of the universe but we don’t have a clue, really. We are simply imagining the possibilities…creating. The Bible says we, human beings, were made in His image. Obviously not as all knowing or powerful but certainly capable of creating and imagining.

    The Bible says God spoke the world and all in it into existence. This sounds silly unless you consider how we create in our minds. We have to imagine before we construct. Of course we construct only from materials available to us here but then, we are not God 🙂

    If he was always here, that’s just as impossible as the idea of something coming out of nothing.”

    Leap of faith.

    I don’t try to imagine what it means that “he was always here,” anymore. The only guidance given is that He is the “alpha and the omega” and as such knows the “end from the beginning”…something I can’t possibly wrap my head around. I have surmised there is a good reason for that.

    Some believe that before we fell from grace (the apple story), we were more aware but the choice to defy His guidance our ability to know as He does ended. Instead we get to live in a world of good and evil. (From the tree of the knowledge of good and evil).

    The explanations in the Bible are simple and childlike but consider the level of consciousness in those who read it. 🙂 A sincere examination finds not only wisdom and guidance but a simplified version of how we got here…and what will happen.

    People believe what is comfortable to believe. I have doubted my faith many times through the course of my life but I have always come back to the Bible…and intelligent design.

    Chris you have many years to give all of this some thought and many years to see discoveries from science…I wish you well on your journey.

  25. Tina says:

    And guess what folks, Carson is neck and neck with Trump…my how we wander.

  26. Pie Guevara says:

    Chris claims “His [Dr. Ben Carson’s] target audience is likely already quite misinformed on what the theory of evolution says, and he only added to that.

    Oh really, and how did you divine that? No need to answer, it is a rhetorical question, oh Great One.

  27. Pie Guevara says:

    Re Chris “I can’t ignore insults directed my way and obviously neither can you, so it would be better if we just pretended the others’ comments just didn’t exist. Fair compromise?”

    No. How about this for a compromise. I post anything I want about you and the idiotic and vile stuff you post in comments section and you follow your already self-declared plan?

    Sanctuary Cities Are Illegal – It’s Anarchy – They Must Be Stopped!
    Post Scripts 6 July 2015
    http://www.norcalblogs.com/postscripts/2015/07/06/sanctuary-cities-illegal-anarchy-stopped/

    #35 Chris : “I’m only going to respond to one thing above, and then I don’t plan on engaging with or talking about Pie Guevara again.”

    Stick to your plan.

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