Posted by Tina
The police in Santa Monica arrested a man who said he was “planning to attend the L.A. Pride festival pride.” Police were alerted by a concerned citizen and made the arrest Saturday night. Hollywood Reporter has the story:
It is unclear if a connection exists between the Orlando shooter and the man arrested by Santa Monica police.
In addition to the increased security at Pride, the L.A. County Sheriff’s Department said more deputies would be in and around Universal Studios and Universal City on Sunday.
Anaheim police said the department takes Disneyland “very seriously” and the park would be closely watched, adding that the park always has a high police presence.</blockquote
A related story informs that the Orlando terrorist was a "known wolf" whose file was closed by the FBI when nothing of substance was discovered (2013,2014). That story also features video of an Imam in Florida, speaking in a Mosque, who said that “…killing gays according to Islamic law should be done ‘out of compassion.'”
Arrest the imam. Freedom of speech does not apply to calls to violence.
I like to think he’s having a little chat with agency representatives at this very moment.
But what are we going to do with the right-wing paranoia purveyors inciting Mr. Howell to anti-social behavior?
Agreed.
I wonder if it’s that simple. It’s one thing to arrest and quite another to convict.
We are a nation of tolerance and they exploit that tolerance.
Does it occur to you that when you attack us as “intolerant” and “Muslim haters” you play right into the enemies hands?
We need to stand strong together if we are going to defeat this barbaric tyrannical enemy. I hope one day we will.
Tina:
“Does it occur to you that when you attack us as “intolerant” and “Muslim haters” you play right into the enemies hands?”
When you *behave* like intolerant Muslim haters, it plays right into the enemies’ hands.
Pointing out when you behave like intolerant Muslim haters shows that not all Americans are intolerant Muslim haters.
What do you think helps ISIS’ war on Islam more: expressions of support Trump’s bigoted and stupid plan to ban all Muslim immigrants, or expressions of contempt, ridicule and disgust over said plan?
Take some personal responsibility for once. Stop playing “He who smelled it dealt it” when it comes to bigotry. When I call you bigoted, it’s because you’re being bigoted. You know how to get a different response: change the behavior.
“We need to stand strong together if we are going to defeat this barbaric tyrannical enemy. I hope one day we will.”
If your “we” does not include Muslim immigrants–who, as every national security expert knows, are crucial to the fight against ISIS–then it is not a “we” worth being a part of, nor it is a “we” that stands any chance of defeating the enemy.
This is common sense.
There’s an unholy thought: ISIS machinating Trump’s election.
This is getting to be really, really not funny.
Cause we know Crackerdom has not the wherewithal to resist.
Really, really not funny.
To be clear the info will come out
here are tweets from a friend of mine ( Afghanistan) explaining to another person.
“Clearly Omar Mateen the shooter did not read the Quran. During Ramadan there must be no violence whatsoever. Innocent ppl especially. WTH”
someone asked
“Honest question: does Quran prohibit only violence against people or also against animals during Ramadan?”
“During Ramadan you’re supposed to feed ppl Violence against. Nobody during no time. Bigots love this and happy.”
Saying Islam teaches
“killing gays according to Islamic law should be done ‘out of compassion.’”
is no different than the extremist Christians. They both exploit their religions
Stop hate, Hate kills
Here in FL Omar’s father is reported as kind of crazy. Acted like the President of Afghanistan. lot’s of unconfirmed stuff like Marine stickers on car. He did work for 7 yrs for Q4’s in security. He was licensed. Was interviewed y FBI 3 x’s.
This palm Beach station beaks in and goes to Orlando news often.
http://www.wpbf.com/news/50-dead-dozens-injured-in-orlando-mass-shooting/40020124
Tina, your co-blogger Jack just claimed–without any evidence–that 75% of Muslim men beat their wives.
If you do not like it when conservatives are called “intolerant” and “Muslim hating,” then you should ask your friends to stop saying intolerant and Muslim hating things like this.
I am not the problem. The problem is that conservatives frequently say intolerant and Muslim hating things, like falsely claiming that 75% of Muslim men beat their wives.
Please Chris, tell me what percentage of the world’s Muslim population DO NOT BEAT THEIR WIVES? Tell me….you know so much.
Jack, I have no idea the percentage of Muslim men who are abusive. Neither do you. Only one of us here is pretending to know. That person is you. And you are calling me a know-it-all? Are you drunk?
And, man: you really did it. You really just used the equivalent of “When did you stop beating your wife?” as an argument, and you actually thought it was a good rebuttal. You thought it was good enough to hit “send,” and that it would stump me.
Get some rest, Jack. Come back to this post in the morning. Maybe talk it over with a pastor. (Not Chuck.) See if you regret what you wrote. See if you’re embarrassed. If so, be proud of that embarrassment. It means you can progress.
a few days ago I heard in the news (Fox Business-Radio) that Muslims are instructed to beat their wives but only “lightly”. The story did not make big headlines. Christian Times printed it:
This shows the division of thought within Islam. It also shows that activists refuse to acknowledge that it has been and still is part of Islam. Until they do they don’t have a prayer at reform. Instead they will be met with resistance and even stronger impositions. You cannot transform something you refuse to see.
Wikiislam, Wife beating in Islam (Scroll down to “Statistics on Domestic Violence in the Muslim World,” a few excerpts:
Front Page Magazine, “62% of Turkish Men Support Wife Beating”:
Time to stop pretending Islam, as it is commonly practiced around the world, is compatible and equivalent in modern times and the modern world.
“Time to stop pretending Islam, as it is commonly practiced around the world, is compatible and equivalent in modern times and the modern world.”
Ok, I want you to try hard. Very hard. I mean, you really have to make an effort.
It’s their religion. Theirs. You don’t get to say … well, in your heart of hearts you are allowed to disapprove, but that’s as far as that goes … you don’t get to say they have to change it or abandon it or anything about it at all … because it is not your place, your business, your anything at all. (This also goes for women’s birth control choices, by the way.)
Now, if, inspired by their religion, a passel of fellas with very poor mental health do things that are illegal here in the good old USA, we get to jail them for it … or mow them done in the road when, propaganda-wise, it really would be better to jail them.
That that really is all there is to it … if you’re being objective about it.
It’s hard to do that, be objective. I myself am very glad I was not born in Saudi Arabia. Very, very glad. Actually, I take it back, cause in SA you can take your yearly stipend and buy an airplane ticket. Are Saudi women allowed to have passports? Ugh.
But, you know, I wasn’t and I’m not … and it’s really for the Saudi women to sort out. It is not my business.
Tina, look. I know you have a knee jerk reaction to defend your friends, even when they do indefensible things like make up fake statistics to smear a religion. But nothing you cited supports Jack’s bigoted claim that 75% of Muslim men beat their wives. He made this up. Now I understand you are worried that admitting this would make you an apostate to your people, but it’s the right thing to do. Friends don’t let friends tell bigoted lies.
Everything you posted refers to specific Middle Eastern countries which are run as extremely patriarchal Islamic theocracies. (The CII is a Pakistani group.) No one denies that spousal abuse is a huge problem in these countries. No one. And yet you say this:
“It also shows that activists refuse to acknowledge that it has been and still is part of Islam.”
Which has no basis in fact. You don’t know what Islamic reformation activists do and don’t acknowledge, because you don’t listen to them; you are too busy looking up stories about scaaaaary Muslims to recognize the work of those trying to make their religion less scary. You have no idea the work that Muslim feminists have done to raise awareness of and fight domestic violence in the Islamic world. You don’t want to know; you’d rather stew in your judgment.
Jack’s claim was that 75% of Muslim men beat their wives. That would seemingly include Muslim Americans, which you posted nothing about. There is nothing to back up his claim in what you provided, and I’d wager some of your statistics from the horrendously biased anti-Muslim group “Wikislam” are made up (for instance, a Google search of the group “Jordanian Human Right Center” turned up no group by that name).
So please. If you’re going to defend the indefensible, develop better defenses first. Or admit that the reason you cannot show any evidence to back up Jack’s claim is because there is no evidence to back up Jack’s claim.
Again: spousal abuse is a big problem in Islam. I am not denying that. I am saying that Jack’s statistic that 75% of Muslim men beat their wives is not true. He made an extraordinary claim; he needs to prove it, or concede that it isn’t true.