Posted by Tina
Bill Murphy Jr. of Inc Magazine, wrote an article, “7 Things Great Leaders Always Do (but Mere Managers Always Fear),” and it got me to thinking. Which of these qualities apply to the two presidential candidates?
1. A great leader connects daily work with great goals. A mere manager focuses only on the short-term.
2. A great leader thinks of people as people. A mere manager sees only titles or organizational charts.
3. A great leader wants to earn respect. A mere manager wants to be liked.
4. A real leader is thrilled when team members achieve great things. A mere manager is threatened.
5. A great leader empowers people with honesty and transparency. A mere manager parcels out information as if it costs him personally.
6. A great leader understands that if the team falls short, he is responsible. A mere manager blames the team.
7. A great leader cares mainly about results. A mere manager is more concerned with process.
I decided to rate Hillary and Trump by what I believe is evident about them. Yes it’s an opinion; feel free to express yours.
My Hillary Score by the numbers: I am not convinced Hillary possesses any leadership qualities. By my scoring Hillary places high in the managers position:
1. Hillary’s focus is in the weeds. Policy and programs are her bailiwick.
2. Hillary has a reputation for snubbing and being dismissive,especially with the help. She has a favored close circle
5. Hillary had that private server for a reason…nuf said.
6. Hillary never takes responsibility, she talks, she diverts, she can’t recall, she blames others.
7. Hillary hasn’t shown much interest in results. She is interested in wearing the title, looking important, and living the lifestyle of the rich and famous.
I don’t think Hillary cares if she’s respected or liked (3). I don’t know enough about Hillary to know if she would be thrilled or threatened by a co-workers achievement (4)
By these measures and my admitted biased view, Hillary is not leader material.
My Trump Score by the numbers:
1. Trump seems always to be looking for the next great thing, a man of vision.
2. Trump enjoys people and delegating responsibility. He respects people for their effort and performance. Although he might reduce a poor performer to tears, he would still know them by name.
3. Trump is proud of his employees and at the same time he is willing to fire people, I put him in the respect category.
4. Trump loves seeing other people shine and become successful
5. Trump couldn’t get his projects done if he wasn’t open with those who work with and under him.
7. Trump is definitely results oriented.
I don’t know Trump well enough to give him leadership on number 6. But I wouldn’t give him the title “manager” for it either. Overall Trump strikes me as a person with fine leadership qualities. Trump is an achiever and you don’t achieve big things like he has without running into big roadblocks and breaking a few eggs along the way. Therefore, he’s also a problem solver. So I’m not concerned about the failures he’s had; failures, if we learn from them, build a more solid foundation. Trump would not have a people around him, co-workers, friends, acquaintances that say he is a good and generous man if he was contemptuous, secretive or niggling. And Trump isn’t running for orator-in chief.
How serious is Trump about being President? There’s been a lot of speculation and doubt. In May, 2010, Wayne Allen Root answered that question by saying “He has put ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ on hold. That’s a $60 million sign of serious.” Maybe it crass to put this in terms of money but he’s right, a person doesn’t disrupt a business venture for a whim…especially a whim he intends to lose.
I’m trying to be optimistic. Trump will be Trump. He has no desire to be phony or politically scripted. He wants to be a man of the people and right now I think that’s a good thing. I do want to see him stretch and grow into the role and display some of the grace that I believe does lurk beneath the surface. Please Donald, if you’re people are noticing, a little more dinner party manners and a little less New York style, “Hey, I’m walking here!” will go a long way.
June 2015 – “I am officially running for president of the United States, and we are going to make our country great again.”
… Ken McIntyre, Daily Signal, “With those words halfway through 45 minutes of remarks, real estate magnate Donald Trump today entered the race for the Republican nomination, making good on repeated suggestions over the years that he would seek the White House as the ultimate deal maker.”
I think Donald Trump loves America. I think he’s very concerned about America. I think he’s serious, dedicated, and even with all the controversy about his ability, I wouldn’t count him out.
This is not going to go over well in these pages. Chalk it up to my pessimism. Hillary — as evil, as horrid, as a seriously inept national security disaster and unindicted federal criminal who should be tried, convicted, and jailed — will be the next POTUS. Especially as long as Trump insists on pursuing his own self destruction with his ridiculous, self defeating, moronic campaign.
Sometimes I think Trump did this all to the GOP just to ensure a Clinton win in the general election. I am fast becoming too jaded and suspicious to continue commenting on Trump. At this point, I am so conflicted and angry I may not vote at all in the general election. Which is exactly what Hillary, the #NeverTrump crowd, and the National Review seem to seek.
You seem confused.
Being a leader I liken to that of a positive role model in my opinion.
The diversity of Leadership styles differ, but at the core, good leaders encourage the people they are leading to achieve goals beneficial for those who lives they affect.
The most effective leaders do this not through fear, intimidation or title, but by honest inspiration of channeling others abilities to pursue visions, to the extent that it becomes a shared effort.
Trump is not perfect, but heads and shoulders above Hillary
Tina: “Trump would not have a people around him, co-workers, friends, acquaintances that say he is a good and generous man if he was contemptuous, secretive or niggling.”
I don’t understand how this argument is anything but incredibly naive. Don’t you think Hillary’s friends say the same thing about her? Wouldn’t anybody’s friends?
Trump has had plenty of people who have worked with him bad mouth him as well:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/apprentice-cast-members-come-out-decry-donald-trump
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/miss-america-contestant-gop-should-terrified-trump-success
And now the rape allegations have resurfaced:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436890/did-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-rape-13-year-old-girl
Now, I have no idea if these accusations are true and I won’t hold them against Trump unless and until more evidence comes out. But I will note that you have presumed guilt on the part of Bill Clinton for similar unproven accusations, and wonder why the double standard.
To go through your list:
1) Trump’s entire campaign is a case study in favoring short term goals over long term goals. Every move he has made has been calculated to get as much immediate attention as possible. This worked in the primary when there was a bigger field of competitors and name recognition was what mattered, but Trump hasn’t shown any indication of changing his strategy for the general election, and many of the things he said during the primary will certainly keep him from winning the general election. If Palin tanked McCain and “47%” tanked Romney, Trump is the equivalent of a dozen Palins with a hundred 47% moments. There is no long term plan here; he doesn’t know what he’s doing, or he does know, and doesn’t actually want to be president.
2) Trump surrounds himself with yes men and unqualified people. His lawyers and campaign advisers have all said and done horrendously embarrassing things. His foreign policy experts, according to Republicans, are nobodies. So this idea that he is always looking for the best and brightest people is just bluster from Trump; he says it a lot, but it is demonstrably untrue.
3) Trump talks *constantly* about being liked. “Mexicans love me.” “Women love me.” “I have the highest poll numbers.” “The polls are lying.” He absolutely has a need to be liked, and when that need is not fulfilled, he lashes out like an angry toddler. He certainly does not behave like someone who knows how to get respect, and has not earned the respect of a majority of Americans.
4) Trump takes credit for everything, even things he had nothing to do with. His response after Orlando showed his selfish need to be “right” in the wake of a tragedy, even though he wasn’t right, and this response was condemned by both Republicans and Democrats. He “likes to see other people shine?” No, he wants the spotlight on himself at all times, and knows how to get that.
5) According to fact checkers, Trump is the least honest candidate they’ve ever evaluated. He lies every day.
6) Trump has never taken blame for anything. He can’t even admit when there’s a problem–if his poll numbers are low, it’s because the polls are wrong. If he’s criticized by the Hispanic community for inflammatory comments, it doesn’t matter, because “Hispanics love me.” If he’s called out for sexist comments, it’s “only Rosie O’Donnel.”
7) The only result Trump cares about is attention. If he were concerned about the result of becoming president, he would not run his campaign this way.
Thanks for taking the time to evaluate one of the candidates. Is there nothing in Hillary you find that disqualifies her?
“Don’t you think Hillary’s friends say the same thing about her? ”
Sure.
But there are people who worked with and under her who say she’s got big temperament problems. That she explodes in angry tirades, that she throws things. Secret service agents and Dick Morris have put their own reputations on the line and written about the incidents that they witnessed. Their accusations are given weight by things Hillary has done on camera… like when she lost it in the Benghazi hearing. This is the sound of a woman who doesn’t think she should be held to account as a leader.
National Review:
“Now, I have no idea if these accusations are true and I won’t hold them against Trump unless and until more evidence comes out. But I will note that you have presumed guilt on the part of Bill Clinton for similar unproven accusations, and wonder why the double standard. ”
In your first example the accusations against Trump are political having nothing to do with the young man’s personal experience working with or under Trump. In the second case, the lawsuit against Trump was previously throw out of court in LA. Accusations against Bill of abuse and rape come several women, many who came forward reluctantly
“Trump hasn’t shown any indication of changing his strategy for the general election”
It’s still early. Most of the country isn’t even paying attention and won’t until September. He made a good speech today to counter Hillary’s attack on him yesterday. But what has Hillary done that’s different or better? Trump gets more press, a lot of it negative…where is the similar treatment of Hillary? It’s not like there’s no material for the media to target. It’s not like she doesn’t have baggage to explain. Why isn’t she being hounded about the CRIMINAL FBI investigation? You know if she were a Republican the daily headlines would have her already convicted…the media coverage would be vicious and relentless.
I agree that on the primary campaign trail Trump displayed attributes that weren’t presidential. He was also in a hostile environment as an outsider. He should have been able to rise above it but I can understand the position he was in.
Hillary’s performance with Bernie wasn’t all that inspiring in their debates which were arranged so no one would see them. They didn’t actually debate until they were called out on the love fest nature of their first debate.
I think we can agree that neither candidate comes close to an ideal. But Hillary’s temperament and financial ambitions, when coupled with her disastrous professional record and the legal cloud hanging over her head, make her absolutely ineligible.
Hillary should never be president.
Tina: “Thanks for taking the time to evaluate one of the candidates.”
Honestly, I started running through the same list with Hillary, but got bored. Sufficed to say there are a few of those qualifications I think she meets, a few she doesn’t (she clearly isn’t transparent) and a few I’m unsure of. But I know Trump doesn’t meet any of them.
“Is there nothing in Hillary you find that disqualifies her?”
If some of the allegations against her were proven, then yes I would. As of now, I don’t think she’s done anything disqualifying that has been proven.
“But there are people who worked with and under her who say she’s got big temperament problems.”
Yes, but again, those are allegations. We KNOW Trump doesn’t have the temperament to be president, because he demonstrates that publicly. No one with the temperament necessary to be president would brag about his penis size, mock POWs and disabled journalists, or say the things about women Trump has said. We know he can’t channel his anger productively and instead calls other Americans names for disagreeing with him. The examples of Clinton’s bad temper you point out are all anecdotal and unproven. They may be true, but even if they are, at least Clinton knows how to behave in public. (I don’t agree with you that Clinton “lost it” in the Benghazi hearing; she got angry, but she didn’t cross the line into the type of behavior she’s been accused of. And “what difference does it make,” while stupid-sounding, makes more sense in context.
“Secret service agents and Dick Morris have put their own reputations on the line and written about the incidents that they witnessed.”
Dick Morris doesn’t have a reputation to sacrifice at this point. And I don’t trust any secret service agent who would break the trust of his position to dish on the former president and his family for money and fame. Many of Kessler’s claims have also been disputed.
As far as your contrast between the allegations against Bill and the allegations against Trump, I don’t see much of a difference. This is not the first time Trump has been accused of rape or sexual assault:
http://www.pajiba.com/politics/donald-trumps-history-with-rape-accusations.php
Again, I believe in judging politicians by their public conduct, and the way they talk to the country as a whole. Unproven accusations or behind-the-scenes tantrums are not as important to me. The public behavior of Trump could not be more different from the public behavior of Clinton.
“But I know Trump doesn’t meet any of them. ”
Sure you do. Hillary has broken laws with respect to the use of a private email server and lied about it and you refuse to acknowledge it as fact. But you know Trump meets none of the above traits indicating leadership qualities.
A sure sign that your judgement is as bad as Hillary’s.
“those are allegations.”
This isn’t water cooler gossip. These are first person accounts, acquired separately, in an interviews by a respected journalist writer/author who presents the material in an unbiased, non-partisan way. This is the kind of stuff that’s admitted as evidence in a trial. Given the temperament Hillary has displayed in public, the accounts are quite plausible.
“We KNOW Trump doesn’t have the temperament to be president”
Actually you don’t. Trump has never been tested in public service as Hillary has. He’s more a pig in a poke than a known entity.
The office of the president is a space no man or woman is prepared for prior to actually taking on the mantle. Anyone that holds the office in deep regard will find it imposing and humbling. President Reagan refused to be in the oval office without his suit jacket and tie. (Bill Clinton took phone calls in his gym shorts.) I think the size and weight of the job will cause Trump to rise to the task.
Here’s the thing. Bill Clinton was an obscure governor from a small state with backwoods experience…and it showed. His first few months in office were a complete joke. He grew into the role. GWB was the governor of a large state on an international border. His experience with his father in the WH afforded him some insight into the workings and weight of the job. Barack Obama was an obscure state senator with a lightweight record who rose to become a Senator after promotion by the party in a convention opportunity. His record as a Senator was also unimpressive (average). He campaigned on hope and change but lets face it, he was elected in a populist campaign that was successful in large part because it was an historical event. he certainly did not have anything other than his teleprompter oratory skills and an activist agenda going for him. His first few months in office were also less than impressive (Amateur)
Now all of a sudden we are asked to view Trump on a much different, much higher scale, and incredibly against a woman whose given a pass on her horrible, tarnished record of service and the countless lies she’s told to the American people.
In don’t get it. I don’t get how you now defend and support Hillary, a woman you described in pretty harsh terms yourself on this blog, over a man whose big sin is he’s said some things that sounded really awful until he explained his thinking. (Which you refuse to get since you’ve “decided” he’s a bad person)
“We know he can’t channel his anger productively”
No you don’t know that. You make your judgement on a handful of things he’s said which you jump on like a cat during mating season. You seem never to look at the whole person even of it’s someone you’re promoting. You thought Hillary was trash but now act like her baggage ain’t no big deal. How do you do that? Once again, I doubt your ability to judge.
“The examples of Clinton’s bad temper you point out are all anecdotal and unproven.”
Not all of them. Her appearance on the Benghazi panel was my first example. There are other recorded instances of her angry bad temper. And please, don’t preach about references to penis’s…Bill Clinton is responsible for entering BJ’s, stained blue dresses, cigars as sex tools, peyronies disease, and any number of other unmentionables into the national lexicon…but Bill is wonderful, he’s in the anointed party. Your complaints about Trump in this area, as you give the Clintons a pass, ring completely hollow to me. Once again your ability to make sound judgements fails.
“Dick Morris doesn’t have a reputation to sacrifice at this point,” he says as if his word were final in the universe. I have a hell of a lot more respect for Morris at this point, who came out and publicly admitted to his own sexual dalliances and apologized and praised his wife than I have for the Clintons who blame the “bimbo’s” and get off Scott free. The Clintons are always the victims; they always pass the buck; they throw people under the bus at the drop of a hat rather than take responsibility.
Your link is an obscure site. You must have had to dig to find it. Lawsuits that were dismissed shouldn’t count and lawsuits that are settled for cash suggest ulterior motives. The only woman to sue BC was awarded money in her suit after Bill lied to the judge.
“The public behavior of Trump could not be more different from the public behavior of Clinton.”
As long as you dismiss the phoniness, the scripted, practiced speeches, and the lies. Judgement of public behavior…hardly.
There are no perfect candidates. This movement to make Trump less presidential than Hillary is absurd on so many fronts they’re hard to track. And remember, with Hillary we also get her horndog husband, and quite possibly many former players from the Billy administration and co-conspirators and trusted aides Sidney Blumenthal, Huma Abidin, Cheryl Mills, and others…
Ugh…been there, done that. More scandal and dialing for cash is not what this country needs. More federal programs, more regulations, more taxes, and no improvement in the jobs area, I don;t care what she says. The trouble with progressives like Hillary is that she has absolutely no idea how a robust economy and the good jobs that go with it happens.
A Hillary term is an extension of the last eight years of misery, growth that never got over 2%, stagnant wages and devalued dollars.
I’m going for the pig in the poke. I’ll take my chances with fresh blood and a new direction.
Hoo boy, a lot to respond to there.
“Hillary has broken laws with respect to the use of a private email server and lied about it and you refuse to acknowledge it as fact.”
Hillary has broken laws with respect to the use of a private email server and lied about it. There, I just acknowledged that as fact. Happy?
“These are first person accounts, acquired separately, in an interviews by a respected journalist writer/author who presents the material in an unbiased, non-partisan way”
Are you talking about Ronald Kessler? Respected by *whom?* There has been plenty of criticism–bipartisan criticism, in fact–of Kessler’s methods and his claims.
“This is the kind of stuff that’s admitted as evidence in a trial.”
No, silly. If Kessler were on a witness stand his claims would immediately be dismissed as hearsay.
“the accounts are quite plausible.”
Sure? But Trump’s outbursts and unacceptable language are more than “plausible.” Everyone saw them happen. Again, it is absurd to rail against Clinton over plausible anecdotes of a bad temper or harsh language when we’ve seen these character flaws of Trump’s with our own eyes, and he makes no attempt to hide them.
“Actually you don’t. Trump has never been tested in public service as Hillary has.”
Trump has had plenty of tests of his temperament and character during the campaign. He has failed each one. As Paul Ryan and others have noted, his reaction to the Orlando shooting was a huge failure of a test of character.
“I think the size and weight of the job will cause Trump to rise to the task.”
That is a terrible argument. It is so vague it could be applied to literally anyone who has not yet been president, including Hillary Clinton. We know enough about Trump to know he isn’t presidential.
“a man whose big sin is he’s said some things that sounded really awful until he explained his thinking.”
Ridiculous. The few times Trump has “explained” his statements further, the explanations have been no better than the initial comments. I know you think a “temporary pause” on all Muslim immigration is somehow way better than a ban on all Muslim immigration, but you’re virtually alone in that–most others, on both sides of the aisle, think that’s a distinction without a difference.
“You thought Hillary was trash”
You’re exaggerating. I have never and would never describe her in those terms.
“And please, don’t preach about references to penis’s…Bill Clinton is responsible for entering BJ’s, stained blue dresses, cigars as sex tools, peyronies disease, and any number of other unmentionables into the national lexicon…”
Again: PRIVATE vs PUBLIC behavior. I am not defending Bill Clinton, but if you think he was the first president to bang an intern you’re naive. He lied about it because he was ashamed of it, because he knew it was wrong. Would Trump?
““Dick Morris doesn’t have a reputation to sacrifice at this point,” he says as if his word were final in the universe.”
Except it’s not just my word. Morris is viewed as an embarrassment in his own party. His meltdown during the last election was infamous. He’s also a liar:
http://www.snopes.com/dick-morris-hillary-clinton/
You should not have respect for this man.
“Your link is an obscure site. You must have had to dig to find it.”
It’s literally the fourth site listed when you Google “Trump rape accusations.”
“Lawsuits that were dismissed shouldn’t count and lawsuits that are settled for cash suggest ulterior motives. The only woman to sue BC was awarded money in her suit after Bill lied to the judge.”
Yes, in a settlement, Tina. You’re completely contradicting yourself. And if dismissed lawsuits shouldn’t “count”, why should accusations that were never accompanied by lawsuits? You’re trying to justify a double standard that doesn’t have a justification.
There, I just acknowledged that as fact. Happy?
Sure. We now know you are willing to vote for a person who, while serving the people of the USA, committed criminal acts for which our service men and women would find themselves thrown in jail…and you are willing to support her for President. You are incapable of making a sound decision and there’s no reason to continue this he did she did distraction.
She committed crimes as a servant of the people and in violation of an oath, you and your party let her get away with it and are willing to reward her. You and your party are corrupt to the core.
But Tina…the alternative is just that bad.
“He made a good speech today”
His speech today contained several lies. He is still claiming he opposed the Iraq War from the beginning, which is completely untrue.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/amp/fact-checking-trump-s-speech-n597051?client=safari#
Worth a look.
http://wonkette.com/603186/bernie-sanders-folks-show-sophisticated-comic-stylings-with-planned-democratic-convention-fart-in
Best term of the day: rhetorical flatulence
People are so clever…and especially these young people…I love the part about the beans and will post this to the front page ASAP!
John Walsh via LewRockwell.com, posted at Zero Hedge, “Trump’s Anti-Interventionism – Neocons Hate It As Anti-War Left Comes Around”
Just in case you thought Trump was sinking…it’s going to be a roller coaster ride to the end!
Speaking of flatulence, have you been reading the comments from Chris, Libby, “bob” and Huey, Dewey and Louis lately?
Dewster goes to the circus
I can’t remember–what’s your beef with bob? He’s crazy, but I thought that was OK with you as long as he’s a conservative.
You can’t even remember your own silly comments.
Pie runs for president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE
Trump told eleven lies in his speech calling Hillary Clinton a “world class liar.”
*Trump falsely claimed that U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens “was left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed.” Two emails from Clinton show that she was awake after it was learned that Stevens had died in the attack on the diplomatic facility in Benghazi.
*Trump misleadingly claimed that Clinton “accepted $58,000 in jewelry from the government of Brunei when she was secretary of state.” He didn’t mention that the gift was accepted on behalf of the United States, and that it was transferred to the General Services Administration.
*Trump claimed without any evidence that Clinton “wants to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to settle Middle Eastern refugees in the United States.” The numbers don’t add up. The total refugee budget was $1.67 billion in fiscal 2016, so it is unlikely that Clinton could add “hundreds of billions” to the budget for refugee assistance.
*Trump overstated his case when he claimed the U.S. “trade deficit with China soared 40 percent during Hillary Clinton’s time as secretary of state.” It went up 17 percent, and we note that trade is under the purview of the Commerce Department, not the State Department.
*Trump blamed Clinton for the “disastrous strategy of announcing our departure from Iraq, handing large parts of the country over to ISIS and the ISIS killers.” The departure date was set by President George W. Bush. President Obama made the ultimate call to keep the scheduled departure date, not Clinton.
*Trump falsely claimed that Clinton would “end virtually all immigration enforcement and thus create totally open borders for the United States.” Clinton supported a Senate immigration bill that would create a path to citizenship for those in the country illegally, but it also would have included large investments in border security.
*Trump falsely claimed that the private server that Clinton used as secretary of state “was easily hacked by foreign governments.” Attempts were made to hack into Clinton’s server, but the identity of the hackers has not been determined and there has been no evidence to date that any of them were successful.
*Trump falsely claimed that “Hillary Clinton’s State Department approved the transfer of 20 percent of America’s uranium holdings to Russia.” The transfer was approved by a committee headed by the Treasury Department and made up of nine voting members throughout government, including one from the State Department.
*Trump claimed he was opposed to the Iraq war “before the war ever started.” There is no evidence of that.
*Trump wrongly said that “real wages for our workers have not been raised for 18 years.” Average weekly earnings for production and non-supervisory employees are up 10 percent, adjusted for inflation and seasonal factors, over that time period.
*Trump described the North American Free Trade Agreement as “Bill Clinton’s disastrous and totally disastrous NAFTA.” President Clinton signed the legislation to implement NAFTA, but the agreement itself was negotiated and signed by President George H. W. Bush.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/trumps-attack-on-clintons-character/
I hate to say it but they both lie.
Trump is the biggest election scam we have ever seen.
Hillary has no qualification problems. Probably the most qualified we have seen in decades. There is a little problem with the fact she is a window to how the elite and Politicians live in a parallel world of corruption for profit which is Biz as usual for Almost ALL of Them.
And Trump is one of them. hence they have hung out for years!
Trump is a buffoon.
Hillary is a corrupt Republican / Democrat Corporatist who will sign the TPP.
Do not let trump fool you he will too. Big Money for the elite at our cost.