by Jack
Here come the gun grabbers. Gavin Newsome, the former philandering San Francisco Mayor and our current Lt. Gov., has obtained the necessary 600,000 signatures to qualify his proposition for the November ballot. That initiative will force a ridiculously expensive background check on the buyers of ammunition. It will also force gun owners with legal large capacity magazines (over 10 rounds) to turn them in or face arrest. No other state has entertained such restrictive gun laws, but that doesn’t bother Newsome who is prepared to make it as tough as possible on law abiding gun owners.
But, here’s the dumbest part, there is no proof that the proposed laws will make Californian’s safer, even though that’s the claim. In addition, California is ready to enforce a 2007 law regarding micro stamping of firing pins. According to Guns.com, “California Attorney General Kamala Harris (another S.F. liberal transplant) announced on Friday that a 2007 microstamping bill signed into law by former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger could finally be enforced.
“The patents have been cleared, which means that this very important technology will help us as law enforcement in identifying and locating people who have illegally used firearms,” Harris said at a Los Angeles news conference.
For clarification, gun microstamping is a technical process that uses laser technology to engrave microscopic gun information such as make, model and serial number on the tip of the gun’s firing pin. Desired information can also be engraved on the breech face or other parts of a firearm.”
The very few number incidents where this law would be of any value to law enforcement has never been weighed against the costs to gun owners and the impact on gun sales in California. Many out of state gun manufacturers simply refuse to do business in California anymore because of overly restrictive, absurd, expensive and often times redundant state laws. This has the effect of a Constitutional prohibition called, restraint of trade.
Guns used in crimes are rarely legally obtained, so micro stamping would not have much value in those cases. However, the micro stamping can be easily removed, rendering the expensive modification absolutely useless. This lame excuse to punish gun owners is just another overreach by government. Californians should be outraged at such blatant trickery foisted on them by gun-grabbers.
Want to be safer? Here’s an idea: Instead of trying to indirectly ban guns using phony, do nothing laws, we should ban gun grabbers like Harris and Newsome from ever holding public office again.
“he proposes laws that will force a background check on buyers of ammunition. It will also force gun owners with legal large capacity magazines to turn them in or face arrest.”
What good would arresting people for these so-called violations be when they don’t even keep real criminals in our jails and prisons now?
“…what should be banned are people like Harris and Newsome from ever holding State office again.”
Here, here!
There is no benefit or safety to the general public from these over the top “look at me do anything” politicians with no real understanding of problems today. Led by their nose rings which are chained to the misdirection of the Obama style laws being shoved up the rears of responsible gun owners.
Large purchases of Ammunition are a direct result of Obamas war on Guns and gun ownership period.
California is fast losing its way, and that’s why they are loosing industry and tax payer’s, who are moving to more favorable climates of State Governing.
No guns allowed, poorly enacted programs that fail, but are not revised or rescinded, like Kamala Harris APPS failures, sanctuary cities with murders protected by a Keystone police force, high taxes on the working, more entitlement benefits to welfare recipients through birthing more children, which are taught to benefit from free stuff in exchange for their support at the ballot box. encouraging illegal “Migration” corrupt Liberal state legislators gun trafficking to gangs, while looking down their noses and trying to hold responsible gun owners responsible to divert attention from themselves.
And if you Liberals continue to keep them in office, you all are just as responsible as the feckless politicians you vote in for California’s declining conditions.
Smith and Wesson has already yanked its line of semi-automatic pistols from sale in California because of the ridiculous, expensive, and ineffective micro-stamp law. What criminal would buy a micro-stamping weapon? Duh.
All this is, of course, aimed at keeping firearms out of the hands of law-abiding citizens and turning our society at large into a mass of disarmed victims, whether by firearm regulation or ammunition regulation. This is what progressives want to do to us. They wish to turn us into sheep they can control at will while they release repeat criminals — be they illegal aliens or home grown — and place us at their mercy by passing laws to disarm law abiding citizens.
Sick, sad, demented and very wrong-headed. That is the Democratic Party, the left in general and the very heart of progressive ideology.
Both Jack and Tina nail this down quite nicely.
The whole microstamping law is a scam. The state of Maryland has had a program in place since 2000 requiring a fired casing from each gun sold in that state be provided for the state data base (queue the ending scene from “Raiders of the Lost Ark”). The program is based on the fact that technology has been available for decades that can view and analyze the microscopic machine and tool marks that are unique to every firearm ever made. Maryland has since scrapped the system.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-06-18/news/bs-ed-microstamp-letter-20120618_1_casings-microstamping-technology
http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ph-ac-cn-shell-casing-20150301-story.html
“Many out of state gun manufacturers simply refuse to do business in California anymore because of overly restrictive, absurd, expensive and often times redundant state laws. This has the effect of a Constitutional prohibition called, restraint of trade.”
Bingo. This has been the un-stated goal from the start. Also, what is to prevent some enterprising criminal from picking up spent casings (micro stamped, of course) from a public range, and then dumping them at a future crime scene?
Now this is sensible, effective gun control … unlike that political theater in the House.
Jack, you’re just going to have to find a toy that doesn’t kill people. I understand about toys, and wanting to have all the latest gadgets and accessories for your toy. But your gadgets and accessories enable the killing of more people, faster.
And, most importantly, a gun is not a toy. If you want to keep firearms for defense or sport, fine. But the desire for enhanced killing power, for its own sake, has no place in the head of a civilian gun owner.
Consequently, anybody who wants to buy a thousand rounds of anything, I want to know all about.
The Post Office and the EPA were buying guns and thousands of rounds of ammo right and left last year. Gotta wonder WHY those particular agencies needed weaponry . . . .
” Gotta wonder WHY those particular agencies needed weaponry . . . .”
They don’t. Keeps the ammo out of the civilian market and drives up the price. Also, once in inventory, it’s a very simple matter to transfer ammo to another agency.
Why?
I do not like the Police state we have reached.
But Why would they need to be armed? The Good Guys with a Gun against the RW Crazies who want to shoot them as a badge of honor may be a reason.
Ya think it is funny to see the Bundy crew point guns at the Feds. Well welcome to ‘Merica where every nut job wants to kill a fed.
They’ve been buying them for several years. Even the Dept. of Ed has them for their gun free zone schools apparently.
“Ever since Barack Obama was first elected in 2008, he has been selling guns and ammunition at a faster clip than any gun salesman could hope for. And since his re-election, citizens have been faced with severe shortages of both. This can only be exacerbated by large government purchases. The Social Security Administration (SSA), for example, purchased 174,000 rounds and the Department of Agriculture (USDA) bought 320,000 rounds. More understandable in purpose but also perhaps more staggering in scale, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) put in a request for 450 million rounds, while the FBI intends to purchase 100 million.
The headlines are ominous, but some of the hype can be put in perspective by doing a little math. National Review’s Charles C. W. Cooke does just that. The SSA’s request for 174,000 rounds amounts to just 590 rounds for each of its 295 inspector general agents “who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes.” Some of us might go through 590 rounds in an afternoon at the range. As for the USDA, 320,000 is enough to provide the same number of rounds for 542 agents, and, through the Forest Service, those agents have an area the size of Pakistan to cover.
When it comes to the bigger orders, Cooke writes, “The FBI and DHS’s apparently vast orders are deceptively presented by the conspiracy theorists. It is true that in 2011, the FBI ordered up to 100 million bullets for its 13,913 special agents (which works out to 7,187 per agent). And, yes, the Department of Homeland Security – a composite department that oversees USCIS, Customs and Border Protection, FEMA, ICE, the TSA, the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, and the National Protection Directorate – placed a request for up to 450 million rounds for its 65,000 armed personnel (which works out to 6,923 per agent). But in the real world, ammunition is not divided up and handed out on such a basis. What is bought is stockpiled and then allocated on the basis of need. The DHS’s order is expected to last for at least five years, and it was placed up front primarily as a cost-saving measure.” Indeed, DHS is not bound to buy that much; they merely have a tab on which to order more rounds as needed. And each agent would have just under 1,400 rounds per year over that span.
That certainly doesn’t mean there aren’t questions or that we should simply shrug and look the other way. For starters, the Department of Education recently placed an order for “27 Remington Brand Model 870 police 12-gauge shotguns.” This might lead any reasonable person to ask, as Cooke does, “Whether it is in possession of one bullet or 1 million bullets, should the federal Department of Education be armed in the first place? If so, why?” We would add, should there even be a Department of Education? But that’s a topic for another day. The DoE has been known to botch raids when it was the wrong enforcement vehicle from the start.”
https://patriotpost.us/digests/17122
May God damn the NRA, and every single legislator who voted for the Patriot Act … and most particularly the President who signed it.
Initially, of course, I thought you’d all lost your collective mind. You haven’t. And I just can’t discuss it any further. Maybe later.
Question for the Lefties: Which laws do CRIMINALS follow?
The idea that CRIMINALS follow the law is absurd, yet the Loonie Left uses gun/ammo grabbing as an excuse. Phooey!
I find some who may be lacking in one area clutching to their guns to make them feel more like a man.
I know there are hundreds of guns buried in the Sierra Foothills. Ammo ect. There will be no lack of.
Jack,
If this was the state of Jefferson you would not have to waste your time writing about this nonsense.
Bob, this stupidity is precisely why we need a State of Jefferson. Liberals are not the majority in CA, but they make the effort to get elected and they have a political machine to back them up. So the wacky liberals are running everything because of passive conservatives and low information voters. This moronic gun-grabber law is only a fraction of the dangerous stupidity the liberals do every day in the legislature. It’s a crime what they have done to this state, to our jobs, our businesses and even to our civil rights. CA is a prime target for a revolution, but the population is too beaten down and acclimated to the domination of the rabid and crazy liberals to ever rise up. They can’t even muster the energy to vote them out! We’re done, we absolutely finished in CA, the only good that can come from this state is to serve as the bad example of what not to do.
Dewey when you start talking about law enforcement you are way out of your league. Better to stick to something you understand. Of course I have no idea what that might be, but I am sure there is something you are well versed in that could be of some benefit to someone somewhere.
Dopey doesn’t understand anything, is well versed in nothing, and would likely be of benefit to only to his fellow lunatics. I do see how he could become a significant feature locked up in mental institution or prison. There he could find his place in this world.
Video games appear to be Dewey’s realm of understanding. Reality be damned
No pain, no fear just fairy dust and unicorns, and lots of wishful thinking about how others can fund it!
The Free Beacon, “There Are Now More Bureaucrats With Guns Than U.S. Marines
Report: Non-military federal agencies spend $1.48 billion on guns and ammo since 2006”
Libby your people are making policy that picks winners and losers. The threat of a bureaucrat going postal is just as great as any other citizen.
Your party is hypocritical and phony.
Some pigs are more equal than others.
Remember Obama said he wanted a “Civilian National Security Force.” He got it.
Now, will he turn them on the people? Why else did he need all of those arms? Why would the Dept. of Education need to be armed, when guns aren’t even allowed on any public school from k-college? What sinister plan does he have that he’s not sharing with us?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
I like you, Peggy, probably more than I like any of the other conservative commenters here. But this kind of conspiracy-minded lunacy makes you look bad.
The gun and ammo purchases by the government have been explained rationally before.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp
Hell, even Breitbart, which never met an anti-Obama conspiracy theory it didn’t like, disputed the hysteria:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/04/04/the-great-dhs-ammunition-stockpile-myth/
Chris did you watch the video of Obama saying he wanted a Civilian National Security Force?
Would he not want them to be armed?
Where would he get the arms and ammo?
Explain why the Dept. of Ed, which is on the list of those that received the equipment, needs them?
Conspiracy theory, no. Just putting two and two together to come up with 4 and not 5.
Peggy: “Explain why the Dept. of Ed, which is on the list of those that received the equipment, needs them?”
Must I Google everything for you?
“The Office of Inspector General is the law enforcement arm of the U.S. Department of Education and is responsible for the detection of waste, fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity involving Federal education funds, programs, and operations. As such, OIG operates with full statutory law-enforcement authority, which includes conducting search warrants, making arrests, and carrying firearms. The acquisition of these firearms is necessary to replace older and mechanically malfunctioning firearms, and in compliance with Federal procurement requirements.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/342161/great-ammunition-myth-charles-c-w-cooke
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You, Peggy, know just enough to spin conspiracy theories, and you’re satisfied in stopping there. You shouldn’t be. Information is very easy to find these days and ignorance is a choice.
Interesting story regarding guns and the Demwits Silly Sit-in . . . . .
https://heatst.com/politics/26-of-the-democrats-who-participated-in-the-gun-control-sit-in-own-guns/
Hypocrisy on display.
My party was complicit in, but not the originator of the Patriot Act and resulting Department of Homeland Security. (You have the shortest memory of any person on this planet, I swear.)
And you need to stop looking at the NRA as a defender of the second amendment and start seeing it as the marketing organization it has become. They don’t care who they arm, just so long as those sales figures continue to climb.
We got the FDA conducting armed raids on Amish milk producers now.
“My party was complicit in, but not the originator of the Patriot Act and resulting Department of Homeland Security. (You have the shortest memory of any person on this planet, I swear.)”
No need to be snarky Libby. None of us is aware of everything our government does, For instance:
Homeland Security is the offshoot of a blueprint plan, the Hart-Rudman Commission, created during Bill Clinton’s administration:
You can read the Phase II recommendations here in PDF (page14):
Homeland Security legislation was passed with bipartisan support: (295) Members voted for the measure, (132) against. (207) Republicans voted for it and (88) Democrats for it. (10) Republicans voted against it, and (120) Democrats voted against it. (6) Abstained.”
Wikipedia also informs us that President Obama extended the Patriot Act which was set to expire:
Our presidents stand on the shoulders of those who have come before them. Sometimes they build on what has come before and sometimes they take what is handed them and create chaos and mayhem. Ahem!
“They don’t care who they arm, just so long as those sales figures continue to climb. ”
Another ridiculous ill-informed partisan attack on an organization that has been at the forefront of gun safety and training and regulations that make sense…like background checks.
You are a stupid regarding the NRA as Katie Couric, a woman who attempted to nail the NRA but ended up nailing herself after having an underling break several gun laws.
“We got the FDA conducting armed raids on Amish milk producers now.”
Yeah, your party abuses and exploits laws and regulations for political reasons!
Like they did when they targeted Gibson Guitars (FBI EPA), when they targeted conservatives applying for 501c4 status (IRS, FBI, OSHA, DEA), and when they targeted an Alaska mine (EPA, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the Bureau of Land Management, the Coast Guard, the National Oceanic and the Atmospheric Administration, and the U.S. Park Service).
Your party has always been authoritarian…now it’s armed and authoritarian!
Bunch of phonies and hypocrites!
Those vile Amish, Gibson guitar makers, conservatives, and mine operations targeted by well intentioned, out of control, federal bureaucrat thugs!
You can’t keep to the same side of an issue for two posts together … especially if the sensible position contradicts your prejudice.
Libby says nothing, NOTHING just snarky canned Liberal retorts of misdirection.
Which is all she ever contributes to the forum. no real ideas, Just entitlement sponsored BS and gripes
Planning on getting a CCW?
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160627/california-gutting-and-amending-the-second-amendment