Posted by Tina
The thing that’s most scary is that these projections are always way too low!
The price tag is in: It would cost $400 billion to remake California’s health insurance marketplace and create a publicly funded universal heath care system, according to a state financial analysis released Monday.
California would have to find an additional $200 billion per year, including in new tax revenues, to create a so-called “single-payer” system, the analysis by the Senate Appropriations Committee found. The estimate assumes the state would retain the existing $200 billion in local, state and federal funding it currently receives to offset the total $400 billion price tag.
The cost analysis is seen as the biggest hurdle to creating a universal system, proposed by Sens. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, and Toni Atkins, D-San Diego. (emphasis mine)
Is it not universally obvious by now? Jerry Brown and his single payer supporters do not care about the people of California.
As usual, you do not think about what you read. There is a stat missing. How much do Californians (folk and employers)
fork over in private insurance premiums? What if it were $600B? That would be an opportunity for some consolidating and economizing, that would.
The sum that private “folk and employers fork over” is irrelevant. These are sums individuals earn and choose to pay themselves or receive as part of their work compensation.
“That would be an opportunity for some consolidating and economizing, that would.
No, that would be forced redistribution of wealth, that would.
That would be an exercise in waste since we have to fund the bureaucracy as well.
Instead of purchasing health insurance the taxpayers get to buy conditions that encourage and hide waste, fraud and abuse. Taxpayers get to fund a complex unaccountable system with the power to raise taxes and deny services. They get to fund a system that puts the budget ahead of patient needs and the expert advice of his doctor for appropriate care.
It is a fascist system.
I suspect you want single payer because you want the wealth transfer…you want a group of rich CEO’s to pay for your healthcare (and the bureaucracy) while you pay a mere pittance.
Ah, come on! It’s a new gummyment program. What could possibly go wrong?
How could you possible question a gooberment program, especially after how swimmingly well Jerry’s bullet train to nowhere is going?
And with hundreds of billions in unfunded state pension liability I am sure there will be plenty of money for this, especially considering it is supposed to cover everyone, including illegal aliens.
Tina you are wrong again. You also do not understand fascism. you actually need to stop reading media and start having the conversation. You need to calm down and lower the battle flag.
How much do you pay for healthcare to enter the conversation?
Dewey (TTP) please explain fascism (your version) if you are so damned smart.
I have posted official definitions countless times and shown you how your preferences (ideals) are fascist in nature. You have had nothing to say. You have not attempted to correct those explanations.
It’s impossible to have a conversation with you, you do not answer questions. Instead, you are an undisciplined, erratic output channel.
It would take a legal accountant to determine how much I pay, and have paid, in taxes for Medicare which would include: the amount I paid over fifty+ years in FICA taxes, the amount I paid in income taxes for the administration of Medicare, the amount now taken out of my Social Security check, the amount I now pay for supplemental insurance, deductibles, and co-pays. There is no easy definitive answer to your question so it’s impossible to have that conversation.
Also, before we could have that conversation I would need acknowledgement on your part that Medicare is not free.
It would also require acknowledgment on your part that I had zero control over the outrageous amount of money taken from my paychecks and my business over many years or the massive debt this forced program imposes on my heirs.
You imagine that the Medicare I am now eligible to receive is “free” to me. That’s because you refuse to engage in the conversation that includes the whole truth, so let us put it another way.
How much has been taken from your earnings so far for the Medicare program? How much have your employers paid for you in their portion? How much more will you and your employer pay before you reach retirement? How much from your income tax goes to paying the salaries and benefits of the government employees that manage and oversee this program? How much of your income tax dollars go toward investigating fraud and abuse of the program? How much of your tax dollars go to benefits for illegal aliens using phony identity papers?
Are you beginning to get the true picture?
Are you willing to have that conversation?
None of us knows how much we have paid over the years for our “free” health benefit but at retirement, you should know, we have paid and paid and paid and will continue to pay and so will our heirs!
How do you justify a program that has no accountability and includes undisclosed actual costs?
Single payer won’t make this ugly situation better. It will make it worse.
Is $20 trillion in debt enough for you or should we add to that burden we pass on to others by creating another layer of debt through forced unsustainable deficit spending?
Why are you so eager to give strangers control over your money and the care you receive?
The idea about a Taxifornia Constitutional Amendment to require VOTER approval for expenditures on state programs (or hare-brained schemes) totaling over $100,000.00 is sounding better all the time!
From Senator Nielsen. Note in addition to the lifeguards fund the $500 million going to the UC system.
$872 Million of Car & Gas Taxes NOT Going to Roads, Highways or Bridges:
Tuesday, May 23, 2017
SACRAMENTO – Today, the Senate Budget Committee will meet at 10am in Room 4203 of the state Capitol to close out the first phase of the state budget process.
Senate Democrats approved $872 million of car and gas tax monies to be spent on programs and services instead of roads, highways or bridges.
Under Senate Bill 1, the largest car and gas tax in our state’s history, state bureaucrats will be charging Californians higher taxes beginning November 1.
Below are a few examples of how SB 1’s taxes – which Californians were promised would be spent on fixing our crumbling roads and highways – will actually be used:
$31.5 million for operations and maintenance at parks
$1 million to create a recruitment and outreach program for park rangers and lifeguards
$18 million to the Jurupa Area Recreation and Park District in Riverside County
$635 million to transit & intercity rail
$5 million to UC for research
$3.7 million to DMV to pay credit card transaction fees
California families with two vehicles will likely pay nearly $500 more each year as a result of this massive tax by Sacramento politicians. To calculate the estimated car and gas tax hike, Californians can click on this calculator.
http://nielsen.cssrc.us/content/872-million-car-gas-taxes-not-going-roads-highways-or-bridges
Oops, the above should read $5 million, not $500 million.
Consider the fun lawmakers will have once their healthcare scheme is passed…yet another avenue for raising our taxes.
Is it any wonder the middle class is suffocating?
Democrats seem to be too stupid to realize that they need a vibrant and prosperous middle class to keep this big government scheme afloat. They seem hell bent on destroying us all. (Yet somehow they all seem to get wealthy while in “service” to the people of this state)
I’d be more than happy to hand over $8,000/year to have decent health coverage. At that amount I’d pocket over $5,000/year.