A Supreme Decision

Yep…the court unanimously agreed that the Constitution gives the President of the United States the authority to enact his temporary travel ban.

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  1. Chris says:

    They did no such thing.

    Please educate yourself on the difference between the Court striking down an injunction by a lower court, and the Court ruling on the constitutionality of an issue.

    The Supreme Court will not rule on the question of whether “the Constitution gives the president of the United states the authority to enact his temporary travel ban” until October.

    And the Court didn’t even strike down the entire injunction. What they said was that the ban can currently be enforced against travelers from the affected countries who do not have a “bona fide relationship” with a U.S. citizen. This likely means that most prospective travelers, aside from refugees, will be allowed in.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2017/06/27/supreme-court-supports-part-of-presidents-travel-ban/#64bc30292187

    So in other words, the Court has effectively neutered the ban. And again, they did not express any opinion on the ban’s constitutionality and will not do so until October, after the ban has already expired.

    • Tina says:

      You’re right, Chris, the court did not rule on the constitutionality of the travel ban.

      But the ban was not “neutered,” Chris.

      The court invalidated all of the injunctions imposed by the lower courts against enforcement of the ban and created exceptions. Immigrants from the six countries can be exempted if they can show that they have a “relationship” with a person or entity in the U.S.

      This of course will create a great deal of confusion as the government struggles to define “relationship” and will likely inspire even more court battles…all for a 90 day ban that would have ended had the delusional PC crazed left not chosen to discovered bigotry where none existed and just allowed the temporary ban. This entire exercise has been absolutely insane. People from all over the world wait YEARS to come to America.

      And the court will eventually find that Trump has that constitutional authority, if it ever comes to that, for at least three reasons, 1) the courts have ruled that the Constitution gives the president the final say on foreign policy and that immigration is one of the tools he can use, 2) Congress has expressly authorized the president to suspend immigration from stated countries for finite periods of time to enhance national security, 3) Trump’s reasoning was based on a determination by the State Department under former President Barack Obama which was reinforced by his own State Department. Trump designated the very same countries Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen that your party yawned at when Obama held the same position of power.

  2. Joe says:

    I bet Libby just loves this one…

    San Francisco Awards $190,000 To Illegal Immigrant Over “Sanctuary City Violation”

    The tax payers of San Francisco, courtesy of a plea deal negotiated by the City Attorney’s Office, will soon be handing over $190,000 to an illegal immigrant, who had a warrant out for his arrest mind you, after he filed a lawsuit alleging that city police violated ‘sanctuary city ordinances’ by handing him over to immigration officials. No, you’ve not lost your mind, this is real life.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-30/san-francisco-awards-190000-illegal-immigrant-over-sanctuary-city-violation

  3. J. Soden says:

    Excellent article by Michael Goodwin in the New York Post:

    http://nypost.com/2017/07/01/why-the-media-has-broken-down-in-the-age-of-trump/

    Explains a lot – even for folks like Chris or Libby . . . . .

    • Tina says:

      J, I agree it should inform, even act as a wake up call, but I’m not sure our friends Libby or Chris will ever admit to the bias that has been so obvious to us for much longer than Mr. Goodwyn indicates (2016) in his piece.

      There’s been media animosity toward Republicans since Nixon. That bias has grown to extreme bias, and finally to overt political activism which began in 2008. The 2016 election represents a further shift to actual fabrication with the intent to undermine and destroy.

      But it does my heart good to read from a respected professional the things we’ve experienced for so long:

      It’s not exactly breaking news that most journalists lean left. I used to do that myself. I grew up at The New York Times, so I’m familiar with the species. For most of the media, bias grew out of the social revolution of the 1960s and ’70s. Fueled by the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements, the media jumped on the anti-authority bandwagon writ large. The deal was sealed with Watergate, when journalism was viewed as more trusted than government—and far more exciting and glamorous. Think Robert Redford in “All the President’s Men.” Ever since, young people became journalists because they wanted to be the next Woodward and Bernstein, find a Deep Throat, and bring down a president. Of course, most of them only wanted to bring down a Republican president. That’s because liberalism is baked into the journalism cake.

      As difficult as it is to watch the resulting freak show it is equally rewarding to see those most responsible confronted with their unprofessional attitudes and scurrilously politicized product.

      Three cheers for this:

      The realization that they had helped Trump’s rise seemed to make many executives, producers, and journalists furious. By the time he secured the nomination and the general election rolled around, they were gunning for him. Only two people now had a chance to be president, and the overwhelming media consensus was that it could not be Donald Trump. They would make sure of that. The coverage of him grew so vicious and one-sided that last August I wrote a column on the unprecedented bias. Under the headline “American Journalism Is Collapsing Before Our Eyes,” I wrote that the so-called cream of the media crop was “engaged in a naked display of partisanship” designed to bury Trump and elect Hillary Clinton.

      The evidence was on the front page, the back page, the culture pages, even the sports pages. It was at the top of the broadcast and at the bottom of the broadcast. Day in, day out, in every media market in America, Trump was savaged like no other candidate in memory. We were watching the total collapse of standards, with fairness and balance tossed overboard. Every story was an opinion masquerading as news, and every opinion ran in the same direction—toward Clinton and away from Trump.

      Trump is the first Republican to refuse to tolerate it in dramatic, acidic fashion. He gives back exactly as they dish out to him and in doing so stands up for all of the republicans that have been demeaned through the years in the court of public opinion. I’d list them but the list is much too long and by association, includes every one of us that have quietly…and then not so quietly…endured the bias and hate.

      Goodwyn’s conclusions are spot on, not to mention very entertaining. Thanks for sharing J…good one!

    • Tina says:

      Just read another good article at The American Thinker, “Trump Exposes What Real Privilege Looks Like in America” which talks about “Write Privilege”

  4. Tina says:

    My first response to Chris above needs revising. I was tired when I posted it at 12:19 AM and it’s not quite accurate. I wrote under the cartoon: “…the court unanimously agreed that the Constitution gives the President of the United States the authority to enact his temporary travel ban.”

    To which Chris replied: “Please educate yourself on the difference between the Court striking down an injunction by a lower court, and the Court ruling on the constitutionality of an issue.”

    I immediately realized the error I made and acknowledged Chris’s comment was right. However, upon further examination I didn’t say the court ruled on the constitutionality of the ban. I actually said that the justices agreed that the president has the authority. They had to believe that in order to strike down the injunctions and allow the ban, albeit with certain exceptions.

    Chris I don’t much appreciate the lecture or the condescending tone so let me return the favor. You wrote: “the ban can currently be enforced against travelers from the affected countries who do not have a “bona fide relationship” with a U.S. citizen. This likely means that most prospective travelers, aside from refugees, will be allowed in.

    Were it not for your ridiculous certainty that the ban was bigotry you would know that prospective travelers that can be determined to have a bona fide relationship with a US citizen are more likely to be easily vetted. These don’t represent the purpose for which the ban was imposed.

    As I said, the courts “exception” (legislating in the judicial, IMO) will cause a lot of confusion and if I know my lefty lawyers another slew of politically motivated activist court cases.

    Three months, Chris. Really? Your party is going to put the nation through all of this crap for a measly three months delay? Unbelievable!

    • Chris says:

      I actually said that the justices agreed that the president has the authority. They had to believe that in order to strike down the injunctions and allow the ban, albeit with certain exceptions.

      No, they did not have to believe that to strike down the injunctions. Again, you need to educate yourself on this subject. The court struck down injunctions from proponents of gay marriage prior to Obergefell. That did not mean they believed that gay marriage bans were constitutional. So the error in your article remains, and you should have stuck by your initial admission of error.

      • Chris says:

        The “chaos” is being caused by an irrational, useless ban that violates the Immigration and Nationality Act and, according to some of the ban’s own supporters such as Rudy Guliani, is motivated by anti-Muslim bias.

        We already know that had the ban been implemented on the time table Trump originally wanted, it would have prevented zero terror attacks. How can one defend it at this point? Trump has had the time he claimed he needed to revise our security procedures–has he done that?

        This is a classic example of doing something because it will make you FEEL safe, not a policy that will actually do anything to keep us safe.

        • Tina says:

          Was Obama’s ban, which went unchallenged, also useless and irrational?

          Do you dispute the idea that our nation was notion a position to adequately vet refugees coming from nations in chaos?

          What can you proffer to show the ban would do nothing to stop a single attack…are you capable of seeing everything about the intentions of those entering as refugees and the future?

          It’s interesting how Obama was given broad powers with respect to both immigration (legal and illegal) and refugees but it’s different for trump, even when the language is the same.

          Articles of reference:

          Forbes

          Chicago Tribune

          Cornell-Wex legal Dictionary:

          Federal immigration law determines whether a person is an alien, the rights, duties, and obligations associated with being an alien in the United States, and how aliens gain residence or citizenship within the United States. It also provides the means by which certain aliens can become legally naturalized citizens with full rights of citizenship. Immigration law serves as a gatekeeper for the nation’s border, determining who may enter, how long they may stay, and when they must leave.

          Congress has complete authority over immigration. Presidential power does not extend beyond refugee policy. Except for questions regarding aliens’ constitutional rights, the courts have generally found the immigration issue as nonjusticiable.

          And this is particularly interesting:

          The Refugee Act of 1980 defines the U.S. laws relating to refugee immigrants. Under the Refugee Act, the term “refugee” refers to aliens with a fear of persecution upon returning to their homelands, stemming from their religion, race, nationality, membership in certain social groups, or political opinions. Anyone who delivers a missing American POW or MIA soldier receives refugee status from the United States.

          The United States, however, denies refugee status to any alien who actively persecuted individuals of a certain race, political opinion, religion, nationality, or members of a certain social group.

          How easy is it to vet those conditions? Christians, gays, women and children are all being persecuted by American standards in the banned countries.

          • Chris says:

            Tina, as I’ve shown you before, there was no “Obama ban.” He did put restrictions on the voter waiver program for Iraqi refugees, but at no point were they “banned,” and there was no month during that time that we did not take Iraqi refugees. Trump’s ban is an actual ban, and violates the Immigration and Nationality Act which prohibits national origin discrimination in the issuance of a visa. Obama’s restrictions had nothing to do with visas, and were about visa WAIVERS, so they did not violate the INA.

            But I am willing to explain that as many times as you need me to.

            What improvements to the vetting system has Trump made so far? He said he needed 90 days to do that when he initially signed the executive order–those 90 days are up. So what are the results?

            If there aren’t any, will you consider that he never had any intention or ability of making new vetting procedures?

          • Chris says:

            That should say “visa waiver program,” not “voter waiver program.”

      • Tina says:

        What do you think prompted them to strike down the injunctions?

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