Posted by Tina
Western Values are under attack. In the last decade the forces that wish to undermine those values have stepped up their game significantly. We are attacked in many ways on many fronts. The fundamental question each of us must determine for ourselves is, which side will we support…which will win?
One of the things the Obama administration failed to do as it stumbled and bumbled it’s way through the Middle East was to create a safe space in the Middle East for refugees fleeing the dangers of war. This colossal failure is representative of the sloppy foreign policy of the State Department and White House and could be viewed as part and parcel of his overall agenda, the fundamental transformation of America. Staggering numbers of refugees have been flooding into the West:
Having peaked in 1992 (672 thousand applications in the EU-15) when the EU Member States received many asylum applicants from former Yugoslavia and again in 2001 (424 thousand applications in the EU-27), the number of asylum applications within the EU-27 fell to just below 200 thousand by 2006.
Focusing just on applications from citizens of non-member countries (see Figure 1), there was a gradual increase in the number of asylum applications within the EU-27 and later the EU-28 through to 2012, after which the number of asylum seekers rose at a more rapid pace, with 431 thousand applications in 2013, 627 thousand in 2014 and around 1.3 million in both 2015 and 2016. As such, the number of asylum applications within the EU-28 in 2015 and 2016 was approximately double the number recorded within the EU-15 during the previous relative peak of 1992.
Nations outside the EU were/are also expected to take in refugees, in particular the United States, and why not? The United States is responsible for failing to develop a workable plan over eight years in its Middle East affairs:
The United States has historically led the world in terms of refugee resettlement, and today remains the top resettlement country. In fiscal year (FY) 2016, the United States resettled 84,994 refugees. … Global mass displacement reached a record high of 65.3 million people by the end of 2015, according to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR). … In response to the worsening global humanitarian crisis, the Obama administration increased the number of refugees the United States accepts annually, from 85,000 in fiscal year (FY) 2016 to 110,000 in FY 2017. Since assuming office in January 2017, President Donald Trump has issued executive orders to cut the refugee admission ceiling for FY 2017 from 110,000 to 50,000, and to suspend the refugee resettlement program for 120 days. These policy changes have been challenged in federal court and are presently blocked from implementation. So far this fiscal year, more than 42,000 refugees have been resettled
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These deplorable developments appear to be loosely aligned to a globalist plan concocted within the bowels of the United Nations. DC Whispers published a copy of a report from the “Population Division” of the U.N. Department of Economic and Social Affairs (copy at the link). The report represents global central planning to orchestrate population control. Whether by evil design or not, this plan will result in values shifting and create a financial drain for receiving nations. The excuse is “population decline” in the Western (free, white, racist?) nations. The reality is the gradual wearing away of Western values.
But that’s the socialist way is it not? meddling and controlling outcomes is the socialist way. According to leftist ideology everything in our lives must be planned and controlled by the few (smarter than you) leaders at the top. And they are determined to downgrade America to the more hellish conditions of the third world…an agenda of fundamental fairness!
Of course those shaping these events will continue to live in luxury behind their walled abodes with armed protection from the rabble.
Our new President has rightly chosen to resist central planning and deliver greater power back to the people. It’s a job that requires heavy lifting. It’s a plan that will be met with ferocious resistance by any means necessary. But Trumps stance, if supported, will save the ideals of individual freedom, equal rights, and equal justice on which the West, and in particular America, has been built. I never could have imagined in the 1980’s, or even the 1990’s that it would come to this but it has. The challenge for freedom loving people everywhere is great. We are under attack both from without and from within.
Reagan promoted Western values like no other president in modern history. Both Russia and China moved from their hard line communist ways to embrace capitalism and a loosening of the iron hand over their people. They did so because they knew that their socialist polices were a failure that contrasted dramatically with the powerhouse strength of the US. In general the worlds populations became more prosperous and free…for a time. President Obama represented a major shift. In his own words, a “fundamental transformation” for America. A social engineering plan that set us on a destructive path.
The UN plan for “replacement migration” is another part of this social engineering plan to cut western values and western power and success off at the knees. We can’t let that happen. A superior plan was put forth by Ronald Reagan and has been picked up by Donald Trump…export western values!
Democrat or Republican, Independent or “other,” we’d do well to support and reassert that plan.
Export Western Values?
Overthrow governments that stand in the way of corporate profits?
Destroy the middle East for decades killing millions of people in the name of corporate profits?
Allow CIA arms, human, and drug trafficking for decades of profit?
Fix elections giving the illusion of Democracy?
Allow Bankers to run a casino that crashes while they rob the wealth of the world?
Use Media to brainwash the population into 2 opposing sides.
Freely attack others religions, race, sex, or way of life?
Western Values ? The world is disgusted by the Imperialist USA and their 2 corporations called the GOP and DNC.
The world has Claimed Merkel as the leader of the free world.
Think about that for a second before you return to the TV box’s delusional entertainment.
Dewey (TTP) please explain what makes the US an imperialist nation.
You sound like someone who really hates America. It’s a shame because America is not a compilation of mistakes, bad politicians, corporatism, or mixed history. America is an idea…a remarkable idea. You don’t seem to get what that is much less know how to fight for her.
Have you considered how many people the US has liberated, or fed, or given medical assistance, or defended, or restored with not only our money (taxes) but also our blood, volunteerism, and the spirit of giving?
Interesting you tell people to turn off the news and then say “the world” has proclaimed Angela Merkel as the “new leader” of the free world…something repeated in the news from a USA Today or Macleans article as if it were profound and had world wide agreement. In fact it is opinion (leftist opinion) that cannot be backed by silly things like facts or recent events. See economist for a differing opinion.
It is good to see European nations become more responsible for their own welfare and cultures. Vanilla…it’s so bland!
Geez, Tina … talk about “alternate” realities.
Out here in the “real” world, a very strong case can be made that it was the fervent exportation of Western values (chiefly by Corporate America) which inspired all this violent jihad and caliphate nonsense that has killed so very many people these last 30 years. Where the hell have you been?
We threatened their way of life, not the other way round.
Make your very strong case all you want to Libby but it’s weak at best.
A) Your very narrow (very prejudiced) view leaves out a few important facts.
B0 Our nation does not impose it’s values…it shares them.
C) Corporate business is not a “value.”
D) US corporations doing business in the ME was done by agreement or contract with each government’s permission, association, and direction. Companies don’t decide to set up shop in other nations.
E) The jobs that are created and the revenue that streams into the populace and the government are welcome and desired.
F) Muslims were invading western countries to impose their political/legal/religious will centuries before America was even born! I don’t know what “reality” you live in other than a bubble of denial of facts and history but it needs an update! Those Muslims today that have taken up the sword have the same designs on the West as their forebears had centuries ago. Some approach jihad violently, others prefer to undermine the values of the west.
G) Blaming Western business for a centuries old decree is just stupid!
But this little exercise is valuable for a completely different reason. Seeing in black and white how you hear the things I say is eye opening. You regurgitate what you think I said and it becomes twisted beyond all recognition. The difference between modeling or sharing an idea and violently imposing it is like night and day…or good and evil! For some crazy reason you ascribe evil to the nation that intends to share and model an idea and you ascribe decency and victim-hood to an entity, a group, ( a religion) that intends to impose it’s will by force and deception (migration-enclaves-political and civic positions of power).
How in the world did you develop such hatred for your country and such a rose colored glasses view of the world of jihad. Oh…that’s right. Your savior isn’t in charge anymore so it’s time to hate. Got it.
“Corporate business is not a “value.”
But the “beer and football” way of life promoted by Budweiser all over this planet … is. Don’t be dim.
“Blaming Western business for a centuries old decree is just stupid!”
Well it would be, if that’s what I was doing. I am blaming the Multinational Corporatocracy for a societal catastrophe that erupted about the time of the Iranian Revolution.
Islam is no more prone to manifestations of violence than Christianity is … which means that, being practiced by human beings … they BOTH have their moments. I think that violent jihad in response to the notion that your womenfolk will be corrupted by Pepsi ads is the very last word in fundamentalist stupidity … but that’s what we’re dealing with. And you cannot say that … we’ll call it … the introduction of Western values, has had nothing to do with it.
It’s like with our article exercise … you don’t see what’s on the page, Tina.
Libby now you’ve decided that recreation is a value and, incredibly, that the American form is somehow worse than any others, to quote you, “Don’t be dim.”
Much of the rest of the planet has been indulging in a little pass time called football (soccer) for centuries:
The violence that follows these games in modern history isn’t a secret. See also here and here.
We’ve only recently had violence follow sports events in American cities. It’s not surprising that those events were in LA and the Bay Area, bastions of liberal tolerance…the promoters of EU values.
“Corporatocracy a societal catastrophe ”
You do this a lot. The subject is “exporting American values” which are individual freedom and equal justice. In response you come up with “corporatocracy.” Corporatocracy” is a condition not a value. America (the people) already has the ability to nip this in the bud but it’s not easy to do when some of us think giving up our freedom and rights as individuals and installing a socialist order is the way to go. In fact we need LESS government power and more power in the hands of individuals.
“Islam is no more prone to manifestations of violence than Christianity is”
Islam is a thing as is Christianity. Neither is capable of violence. There is only one that encourages and rewards violence in the name of it’s god. There is only one that encourages oppression rather than free choice. All human beings are flawed so in that respect you are correct, however, please provide evidence that Christians have formed groups dedicated to waging violence as a means to total oppression and control in the world. There is a difference and the difference is quite clear. Western ideal of individual freedom and rights were derived from Christian notions of free will and a superior being having the only authority to grant certain rights of individuals. Your lack of appreciation on that score makes you both blind and ignorant. One IS superior over the other, in my opinion, and well worth sharing!
Pepsi ads huh? If only there were no Pepsi ads then Jihadist would settle down and behave like civil human beings. How incredibly naive.
Your idea is to completely withdraw from the world, shut down and oppress commodities, and leave the jihadis alone. I understand. Your idea is to bend to the will of a group that thinks it’s perfectly okay to throw homosexuals off buildings, wed nine-year-olds and mutilate their bodies, force women to a life of oppression and slavery, cut the heads off people for presumed slights, and wage violence to force individuals under the foot of Islam. Congrats future dhimmi! Have fun wearing that hot black outfit while you pay an extra tax just for being a Wiccan or whatever it is you are.
You’re right, Libby. I can’t say, and wouldn’t say, that our being in the world has had no influence. But I can say that the choice between individual freedom and oppression is a no-brainer. If I had to place responsibility for the influence of capitalism I would place it on everyone, including those in the ME, who DID embrace it and did invite it in because the alternative was starving people with dirty water and rampant disease.
The battle is between freedom and oppression. You prefer the distraction of blaming and resenting big business. This is a failure of leadership. When the people expect government to control the means of production (socialism) then government leaders get into bed with the strongest in business to make deals and pass laws. This results in less power in the hands of the people and corporatism. Congrats Libby, your party has sown the seeds of destruction through your collective demands!
You also prefer to ignore the fact that the founding values we hold result in a more civil and equitable social construct for greater numbers of people than those held by other forms of modern government and jihadists.
I don’t see what’s on the page? You don’t see what’s in the world so whatever you see on the page is based in lies.
You blame/hate men, you blame/hate corporations, you blame/hate Christians and you take no pride in the founding values of your own country…but those jihadis…they’re helpless victims of Pepsi ads and must be defended at all costs!
Fool!
“Libby now you’ve decided that recreation is a value ….”
Dim, or willfully obtuse, take your pick. Muslims do not drink alcohol, just like Baptists. It is a principle of living, a value, they have in common. I have already stated my belief that violence in response to challenges to this value is a fundamentalist stupidity.
But think about this … if a county populated by a majority of Baptists, can pass a law forbidding the sale (but hardly consumption) of alcohol (there is always the next county over), why wouldn’t a county populated by a majority of Muslims be able to pass a law against bare-headed ladies? If you are a proponent of democracy, you can hardly object … can you?
And would you please stop doing this:
“You blame/hate men, you blame/hate corporations, you blame/hate Christians and you take no pride in the founding values of your own country…but those jihadis…they’re helpless victims of Pepsi ads and must be defended at all costs!”
Ascribing “devilish” intent to the opposition … well just don’t do it. I ask you questions, which, frankly, you refuse to answer, but resort to this silliness. It’s totally overblown, somewhat hysterical, and much too Trump-like.
“Muslims do not drink alcohol”
But they do promote beating their wives, mutilating their daughters and throwing gays off the tops of buildings.
“why wouldn’t a county populated by a majority of Muslims be able to pass a law against bare-headed ladies?”
You assume they would be content with a single or even a majority of counties. They (much like your party) are looking for absolute power and control. It’s in the book and it’s embedded in the culture! MEMRI:
A DC Muslim group, As-Sabiqun, and it’s leader is Imam Abdul Alim Musa, have a specific goal which is: “We resolve to shape the ideas, beliefs, and moral viewpoints of the people into an Islamic mold. Toward this end we will, insha’Allah, develop the comprehensive educational system that is necessary to inform, inspire, and direct the society toward Islamic revolution (or evolution).”
Some say we shouldn’t be concerned, only 1% of Muslims worldwide
are Jihadists. But this is, once again, a deception. There are approximately
1,300,000,000 Muslims worldwide. 1% of that is 10.3 million Muslims that engage in passive or active Jihad with the end goal of a world wide caliphate. One facet of jihad is called biological jihad. Muslim families in Europe have 8-10 children per family; the aim is to infuse the nations with Muslim dominance within a generation. Europeans are not even replacing themselves by having 2 children. How do you suppose that will end? Are you prepared to have your nieces live under Sharia law?
“Ascribing “devilish” intent to the opposition…”
Libby I don’t have to ascribe devilish intent, it’s written in your own words and attitudes…it’s carried out in your practices. It’s as plain as the nose on your face!
“I ask you questions”
Not often with the intention of getting the response. Not with any real sense of curiosity and an open mind.
More often you make pronouncements…you make obtuse statements…you insult…you decry the “idiocy” of the population…you refuse to admit to failures in your party…and then you feign innocence!You claim Inclusiveness and tolerance.
“It’s totally overblown, somewhat hysterical, and much too Trump-like.”
And you were shocked that he won. It doesn’t occur to you that the behavior of your party inspired the advancement of a Trump type.
Trump continues to maintain a high approval rating among those who voted for him and that includes independents and democrats! Your party has lost both houses of congress, the presidency, governorships, and the most recent elections. The left media is suffering an advertising bleed and in most hours have low viewership.
And still you are unable to manage a humbled, apologetic, eager and open-to-alternate-ideas presence.
Trump is bad. Trump is awful. Trump is crude. Trump talks to the Russians. We want more expensive, debt riddled, unworkable programs because we care more than you and you are all idiots that need us. What a platform!
“You assume they would be content with a single or even a majority of counties. They (much like your party) are looking for absolute power and control.”
I assume no such thing, and you have not answered the question. You have spouted yet more paranoia. Are they entitled to live by the dictates of their own culture?
If you think, no, their culture is inferior; we were entirely entitled to impose the Shah of Iran upon them … say so. And it’s on with the culture war WE started. However, I’m not prepared to listen to anymore hissys, if they decide (as they have) to Jihad right back attcha !!
Baptists have a long history in America and have never demonstrated a propensity to impose their values. Some Muslims state that as their goal. Your comparison does assume that all Muslims have the same respect for the values of others. You blindly refuse to believe them when they say they will take over and rule the world. Why you do I doubt we will ever know. I guess it’s easier to call me paranoid. It seems you also refuse to get that Islam is not just a religion but a legal and social structure. A better comparison would be a group of baptist that suddenly decided burning sinners at the stake again would be peachy…if the majority decided! We’re not talking just headscarves you ninny, we are talking cutting young girls and marrying them off to old men at aged nine…we are talking about absolute oppression of women…death and intolerance of others of a scale you apparently can’t fathom. It wouldn’t happen all at once, you know. It would grow and spread, like cancer, until you’d wake up one day and ask, “What have we done?”
“…why wouldn’t a county populated by a majority of Muslims be able to pass a law against bare-headed ladies? If you are a proponent of democracy, you can hardly object … can you?”
Forced attire? For the entire county? Seriously? You really are a little commie type.
” Are they entitled to live by the dictates of their own culture?”
Who is they? The moderate Muslims who abide by our Constitution and laws or radical Muslims that say one thing in public to fit in and in private plot to overrun and takeover the country and bring all of us to heel?
If it’s the moderates they would not impose such a scarf law on people in the county of other faiths, they would have respect for individual rights.
“if…we were entirely entitled to impose the Shah of Iran upon them … say so.”
I’ve never said we were entitled to depose the Persian Shah and install a radical replacement. Given the Persian Shahs record I think it was insane!
I have said America has made mistakes. The history you refer to includes some nefarious characters, several presidents, at least one Senator (TK) and a bunch of communists. See here:
Libby Muslim history predates the US by more than a century. The Barbary Pirates drew first blood with the US. Their history of invading the west predates the crusades.
“We started it” is a bit kindergarten doncha think?
It’s a waste of time to discuss any of this with you. Your history is poor on the subject. And your insistence that there are no Muslims that intend to inflict a caliphate by violent, biological, or quiet jihad is almost pathological.
“Baptists have a long history in America and have never demonstrated a propensity to impose their values.”
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I am having a fun time re-watching a film (of dubious worth) I haven’t seen in years: The Sins of Rachel Cade. Tina, we make racy movies about our propensity to impose upon other cultures !!!
Fiction. Worse, a film dubbed “A standard-issue soap opera” by Rotton Tomatoes is the thing you cite as evidence that Baptists have a plan to take over the world and impose their values?
Obviously you are unfit to determine a credible threat and still unwilling to recognize the radical elements of Islam for what and who they are.
Tina, Christian missionaries never set foot in Africa?
This is your position?
Don’t make me use the “L” word again.
Of course that’s not my position.
Is your position that Christian missionaries went with the intention to harm and murder people in the name of their faith? Is it your position that they forced them to convert or be killed, made second class citizens of those who resisted and expected them to pay extra tax? Did they strap suicide bombs to the children and send them out to blow people up as a means of forming the church?
Human beings being what they are I’m sure some had methods that were harsh. But it’s not truthful to take the worst examples from history, make it the norm, and the attemot to form a moral comparison.
Missionaries today bring food and medicines. They build schools and wells. They form friendships and partnerships as they share the faith.
Before we go any further it might also be useful to remind you that Christianity began in Jerusalem and Greece…”around 40 C.E. …the admission into the church of the family of the Roman centurion Cornelius in Caesarea (Acts 10). Later came the gentile members of the mixed Jewish-Greek church in Antioch (Acts 11:19–24; Galatians 2:11–14), as well as the many pagan converts of Paul in Syria, Asia Minor and Greece.” It spread from there across the planet…spread being the key word:
More early history here.
It’s not like we in the West invented it.
Early missionaries from Europe and America often traveled alone or in pairs. They lived among the people. Much like today they shared more than the Bible. From the BBC:
Some of the early American missionaries to Africa were black. SNU, “Black History month: Christian missionaries of African heritage.”
Today an interesting thing is happening. Missionaries from Asia, India and Africa are doing missionary work in other countries.
I’m thinking that most of your Christian history comes from modern Hollywood. Not exactly reliable sources if you’re looking for the whole truth. Sharing a faith isn’t the same as imposing one by force.
Call me anything you like if you need that to feel better.
“Did they strap suicide bombs to the children and send them out to blow people up as a means of forming the church?”
My goodness, we have a lot of trouble keeping to the point.
1) We are agreed that violent jihadis are crazy, immoral, criminal, and all the rest, so I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.
2) However, these fundamentalist nut-bunnies do consider themselves to be at war, and I’m sure they’d prefer to use tanks and artillery … but they haven’t got any.
What we have to do is persuade them that they are not being warred upon, which end we will not achieve if people like you keep spreading all this hateful misinformation about the faith. I’m gonna say it again; you won’t hear it, but what the hell: If you REALLY feel that the imposition of Sharia law in America is even a remote possibility, you need professional psychiatric attention.
“My goodness, we have a lot of trouble keeping to the point. ”
She again said with a straight face!
The subject: “Western Values Under Attack”
Israel: The one country in the Middle East with Western values.
Children used as suicide bombers by Palestinian terror groups. See images here
Actually I could have included training kids to whack off heads too.
You are the one attempting to create a moral equivalence between Christian missionaries and jihadists…and straying off topic.
One of the most generous, humane values in America is the First Amendment. Try to cultivate a little appreciation for the freedom a bunch of old white bearded (Christian inspired) guys bequeathed to you. It stands as an example of civility and tolerance in the world.
“1) We are agreed that violent jihadis are crazy, immoral, criminal, and all the rest, so I don’t know why you keep bringing it up.”
Sure you do. (hint: moral equivalence arguments-terror attacks-insane appeasement policies)
“2) “…but they haven’t got any.”
They have a lot more since Obama began his friendly appeasement program. 2015 The Fiscal Times, “U.S. Shoots Itself In the Foot By Accidentally Arming ISIS”
“What we have to do is persuade them…”
(Gales of laughter)
“…that they are not being warred upon”
You tried that under BC and BO…911 and then the rise, growth and spread of jihadist (ISIS) into Europe and the US was the result. You still do not understand that they are waging war …on principle…a religious war to honor a prophet that they believe has told them to wage constant war with the intent of forming a world wide caliphate…when the entire world is under Islam there will be peace. They don’t care what you think. They smirk at your notions of appeeeeeeasement…well, from you they would seriously consider stoning you to death.
“…people like you keep spreading all this hateful misinformation about the faith”
How can it be “misinformation” when the faith is being practiced in just this fashion? Answer, it can’t. It is just information. I’d like you to try and tell a few of the radical imams that they aren’t practicing the faith authentically. I’d like to see you explain your theory to the men and women that have faced these warriors eye to eye in combat or to the friends and relatives of the victims of this evil on earth.
“…you won’t hear it…”
Oh I here you. I get what you’re saying. I just see that you are completely, and stubbornly, blind and ignorant.
And you think I need help from a mental professional.
Okay. My goodness, I guess you told me.