Posted by Tina
I was going to let the McCain funeral pass without much comment but after watching most of what Megan McCain had to say and reading about others, both Democrat and Republican, I just can’t remain quiet. I was sickened by the use of eulogy as a political weapon.
Megan was obviously heartbroken but she was also filled with seething anger. How unfortunate and ugly on what would normally be a day of fond remembrance, solemnity, and prayer.
Apparently the same thing happened at Aretha Franklin’s funeral (RIP).
Pretty sick, if you ask me.
I watched it and thought Meghan’s anger was way overboard, but also a continuation of her father’s, who excluded Trump and Palin from an attending. I give Meghan a little leeway because of her grief and the state of shock she’s in, but Obama’s and Bush’s potshots at Trump were completely inappropriate and better suited for the campaign trail.
My heart broke for Cindy. She looked broken and so tired. I cried with her when Danny Boy was sung. Very sad.
Looks like we were alone.
‘OUTRAGED’ Americans Disgusted With Hyper-Politicized McCain Funeral:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/outraged-americans-disgusted-with-hyper-politicized-mccain-funeral/
You voted for the guy that said McCain wasn’t a hero and that he likes people that weren’t captured, who said Jeb Bush had to like illegals because his wife was Mexican, who called Ted Cruz’s wife ugly and said his dad might have killed JFK, who said Carly Fiorina was ugly, who said Megyn Kelly asked him a tough question because she was on her period, and who implied that his penis was bigger than Marco Rubio’s in a debate.
And that’s just the Republicans he gratuitously insulted.
You don’t get to tell the McCains what’s appropriate now. Either tact and grace and class matter, or they do not. You cannot pretend to care about these values when the president’s critics speak out against him, then abandon them the moment Trump utters another verbal fart at the table. You cannot constantly hold those who speak out against the president to a higher standard than the president himself.
Well, you can. But not without the cost of your credibility.
In more important news, the president is once again trying to intimidate his attorney general into dropping investigations into himself and his political allies, for political gain. He is doing this openly, and without shame. If Obama had done this, you would have called for impeachment–and you would have been right to do so.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1036681588573130752
“You voted for the guy…You don’t get to tell the McCain’s what’s appropriate now”
Spare me the sanctimony!
The man in question is not a saint” in these matters:
Quite a few of those “crazies” voted for McCain in 2008. Where does he come off insulting Trump’s supporters? This so-called Republican aligning with Hillary and her “basket of deplorables” remark didn’t go over well and Trump hit back.
Crooks and Liars refers to an article in The New Republic:
The leftist writer then goes on a predictable screed claiming the usual racist bigoted crap about Republicans.
But his one moment of clarity is still valid. Trump is not the first politician to be bombastic or to use insulting words against those who, by the way, have done nothing but bash him since he descended the elevator to announce he was running! Long before Trump got into politics vile comments and horrid ads have been made to win elections.
In contrasting statements to the above leftist article in Crooks and Liars, Bar Marcois of OpsLens had this to say:
He goes on to list a number of things LBJ said during his presidency, a much more civil time generally, which were deeply offensive. LBJ was held up as the champion of civil rights.
You don’t get to come to PS and act like your party, the media, entertainers, and supporters have not often been cruel, vile, and even violent as if you were the very pinnacles of propriety. We know better!
The double standard is the most damaging thing happening in our country.
There’s a double standard in media reporting, a double standard in the rule of law, and a double standard for politicians. It’s been going on for decades. What we are seeing in Trump is a leader who won’t give in to it, who doesn’t mind taking the hits as he returns the blows and exposes the hypocrisy. John McCain tried to get the media behind him by playing their game. When he ran against Obama they turned on him and assisted as Obama bashed him, his running mate, and his supporters…with that ignorant grin on his face, of course, acting as if a decency flag flies in the leftist political world.
“Reported in The New Yorker on July 16, 2015, a few days after a Trump campaign rally held in Phoenix, in McCain’s home state, McCain offered his displeasure over the rally. “It’s very bad,” he said… “[t]his performance with our friend out in Phoenix is very hurtful to me,” “Because what he did was he fired up the crazies.””
Tina, this is factually true. Look at the Pizzagate subgroups, the Qanon subgroups, the Alex Jones fans, the alt-right, the white nationalists. Whom do they support? Trump. That does not mean that all Trump supporters are “crazies” or “deplorables,” but McCain was right to describe some of them like that, and so was Hillary.
I don’t know how you can compare this to the vulgar insults from Trump I listed above. There is no honest comparison. You simply refuse to admit that.
He didn’t say “some” and neither did Hillary.
Trump said “some” people in Charlotesville were “very nice people” and his words were twisted to mean he thought white supremicists were very nice people. They then made it a thing and promoted his racism based on their lie.
Dems do this all the time. It’s how, given their dark history on civil rights, they managed to convince the public (most of America) that they were the champions of civil rights and Reps were the racists!
“Look at the Pizzagate subgroups, the Qanon subgroups, the Alex Jones fans, the alt-right, the white nationalists. Whom do they support?”
None of these groups makes up the majority of Republican voters any more than BLM, Antifa or the New Muslim Brotherhood makes up the majority of your voters. But your party leadership and the many sub-groups that support them DO attempt to make extreme sub-groups the majority of our party. They do it by screaming racism at the drop of a hat. Nancy Pelosi and the Black Caucus accused the tea party, over a million people in the early days, of racism when our issue was taxes! There was no evidence of racism…just an agenda to mar the remarkable spontaneous moment.
The Republican Party denounced hatred and bigotry long ago, and through the years, by DOING SOMETHING…through all of the civil rights legislation we sponsored and passed.
I don’t think Trumps remarks are any more vulgar or insensitive than things Democrats have said (and done) through the years. Democrats got a woman (Anita Hill) to accuse Clarence Thomas in congressional hearings of sexual harassment with unsubstantiated vile accusations. Hill said Thomas, “…spoke about acts that he had seen in pornographic films involving such matters as women having sex with animals and films showing group sex or rape scenes. Hill also said, “One of the oddest episodes I remember was an occasion in which Thomas was drinking a Coke in his office. He got up from the table at which we were working, went over to his desk to get the Coke, looked at the can and asked, “Who has pubic hair on my Coke?”
Of course no Dem leader said these things…someone else did the dirty work. Democrats are covert as hell when it comes to the dirty work.
This travesty happened before right-wing media existed. This disgraceful unsubstantiated language (and more) went in the public Congressional record. it was nothing more than hateful, vile, he said-she-said gossip from a woman who was so terribly offended ad traumatized that she didn’t report any of it and transferred when he did to another branch of government so she could continue to work with him. A woman who purposely framed her testimony as private. At least twenty other women who worked with Thomas testified that he had never treated them with anything but respect. That matters little when the Congressional record will remain throughout history as a blot on his name.
This is one example, there are many examples. Democrats turn their many activists into slamming machines and your media engage in it too. Sarah Palin and her family were treated in the same vulgar hateful manner…McCain didn’t bother to defend her or to shame the vulgar press with any vigor. Eventually he turned on her completely. His image (with the media and the left) was more important than his sense of honor.
Trump was elected during times when many Americans use profanity, vile labeling, and false accusations to denigrate those with whom they disagree. Often the charges are mindless inaccuracies. Calling Trump “Hitler” or a “fascist” for instance. Some of it is reflective of the way our culture has changed. Politico featured an article in 2017, ” Why Democrats Are Dropping More F-Bombs Than Ever – The profane has become mundane.” The following paragraphs are appropriate to our discussion:
The reference to Perez was about his remarks featured in the article:
Did he have nothing civil and substantive to say to demonstrate his point so voters could make thoughtful decisions prior to voting? No, the vile sloganeering was preferred.
The suggestion that Trump is more disrespectful or vulgar than McCain or other Democrats, or their supporters, is ridiculous. The outrage against him is political theater in the same vein as the Thomas hearings. And by the way, he knows it, he gives back in kind, and keeps the angry vile left busy yammering away while he goes about the business of MAGA for the American people. He’s willing to take the hits in this ongoing vulgar war. Trump works harder in this regard than any president I’ve ever seen. He accomplishes more in less time than any president I’ve ever seen. And…he’s perfectly pleasant and considerate when addressed in the same way.
Republicans spent decades being civil and taking the insults in dignified silence. It just encouraged Democrats to become more vile and more disrespectful. (The media never criticized them or called them on their incivility and underhandedness)
You are too young to have this experience. You grew up during the combative periods that began when citizens on the right began to realize that we had to fight back.
It’s unfortunate that we’ve come to this but as long as your party believes in mob rule and activist politics that includes denigrating and destroying opponents and their supporters, more than respectfully discussing and debating issues, we are stuck in this wretched ugly game.
I don’t know where to start with that.
No, defending a woman we believe was sexually harassed is not the same as calling women ugly, saying they had a “bad facelift,” implying they’re on their period, or saying Americans should “check out” their non-existent “sex tape.” It just isn’t. You are comparing believing a woman was sexually harassed to the president openly sexually harassing women. That’s how much you’ve sacrificed logic and reason in order to support Trump.
I never said the Qanon supporters et al. are the majority of Republicans–in fact I said they weren’t. But they are the “crazies” and “deplorables.” Hillary said “half,” by the way, and she apologized for it. But she wasn’t wrong.
Your history regarding racism is half-informed by lies Dinesh D’Souza, a convited felon and huckster, has sold you. The Southern Strategy was real. It is Republicans today who honor the Confederacy, not Democrats. It is Republicans today who the KKK identifies with, because they believe Republicans can best further their agenda of restricting immigration. It is Republicans today who deny there is a problem with black people being overincarcerated and targeted by police. It is Republicans who voted for a candidate who said a judge was automatically biased against him because he was Mexican, that Jeb Bush had to like illegals because his wife was Mexican, and who said that “When Mexico is sending its people,” they’re sending murderers and racists, and that only “some” are good people. It was a Republican host of a Fox News show who said, last week, that *legal* immigration has become a problem because it has caused “massive demographic change,” i.e. more non-white people in America. It is Republicans who elevated Steve King, who doesn’t believe non-whites have contributed to society. It is Republicans who elevated Ann Coulter, who tweets about “white genocide” and tells Muslims to ride camels instead of planes. It is Republicans who elevated Steve Bannon, alt-right icon.
Again, that does not make all Republicans racist. But it does mean that pretending racism isn’t a problem on the Republican side is just denial.
Didn’t bother to watch either as I figured they’d be Trump bashing events.
Heard Bubba was at both. Another reason not to watch.
Bubba being Bubba…He never gives up his old ways…no matter how much trouble they get him into…and Ariana Grande??? I thought that was a side dish at Taco Bell.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/aretha-franklin-funeral-internet-frenzy-at-bill-clinton-s-gaze-during-ariana-grande-s-performance-at-a3925066.html
She IS her father’s daughter, and fits right in with the other Harpies on The View.
And let’s remember that McLame’s whole funeral extravaganza was personally planned far in advance. Anyone who knew John is not surprised that his ego is still hanging around.
So how much did the extravaganza cost taxpayers? I bet by the time it’s all said and done it amounts to tens of millions. Just the Secret Service detail for Obamma and Bush must have of cost a fortune.
But to these corrupt politicians it’s nothing. Nothing of course because they don’t have to pay for it.
After all, these are the crooks that helped get the feral (yes feral; that word describes the District of Criminals exactly) government 21 trillion in debt with unfunded liabilities in excess of 100 trillion, so to them tens of millions to celebrate a crook like McLame is nothing.
And what do you expect? McLame walked away from the Keating 5 scandal unscathed, more powerful than ever, even though it cost the taxpayers billions and ruined many lives.
So you’re concerned about the cost to the taxpayers for a funeral, but not Trump’s constant golf trips? I wonder what you said about Obama’s golfing, which was much less frequent than Trump’s. (I know what Tina said about it, and I’m not about to let her forget it.)
A reminder also that a lot of this taxpayer money is going straight back into Trump’s own pocket because he insists on golfing at his own resorts. But you don’t care about that. You just…say things that you think will help your tribe, and hope that no one will notice.
“…a lot of this taxpayer money is going straight back into Trump’s own pocket because he insists on golfing at his own resorts. ”
Kindly back up this comment. It doesn’t make sense.
Fuel for the planes is the major expense and that does not benefit his resorts or hotels. The expense to cover his security detail is the same o matter where he goes and that’s a lot of the bill. Does the resort charge the government for his room or the golf? I don’t know…do you?
Trump does play golf quite a bit. I had trouble finding current estimates of the cost to date. Articles I saw were all too old.
Another thing to consider as we try to compare is fuel costs: In Sept. 2011 jet fuel was approx. $120. a barrel. In Jan. 2016 it had fallen to just under $40. barrel. Now it’s about $90, a barrel. The changes represent a big difference in travel costs.
So far Trump and his wife haven’t taken expensive vacations in separate planes which doubles the cost for fuel and security.
I don’t know why you singled me out, Chris, Jack was just as vocal, if not more vocal, than I on this subject.
“Kindly back up this comment. It doesn’t make sense.”
Google is free, Tina, and my comment is not esoteric.
Penetrate the bubble.
His sense of self importance, need to be popular in media circles, and his vindictive nature were on full display as he cast the deciding vote against the entire Republican party and single-handedly defeated the repeal of Obamacare, something republicans had promised to do for years!
He didn’t “single-handedly” defeat the repeal. Four other Republicans joined him, and for good reason: there was no adequate replacement. Repealing Obamacare that way wouldn’t have improved the lives of Americans, it just would have sabotaged the parts of Obamacare that were working.
McCain put principle above party. I realize that’s offensive to you, but it is what it is.
His was the deciding vote, Chris. He voted last.
Even NBC wrote, “McCain hated Obamacare. He also saved it.”
His vote was disingenuous as well. Burgess Everette of Politico, , “Why McCain screwed the GOP on Obamacare repeal — again”
John Fund of National Review wrote:
Your opinion of McCain seems to depend on his usefulness as a hammer to denigrate those who have been betrayed more than once by the very self-serving Senator.
And conveniently ignored by our presstitute media: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/trump-approved-air-force-2-to-transport-mccain-casket-to-washington-dc-elitists-still-use-funeral-to-bash-trump/
TheDonald was ASKED not to attend the funeral by the McLame family, so he did something much more productive – he played golf. Let’s hope McLame’s ego was buried with him.
This ex-POW senator sounds more like someone we should have honored than McCain.
The Senate’s Unremembered Ex-POW:
“Such a contrast to the excess of the last several days.
His path to distinguished service in the United States Senate led through the Naval Academy, aerial combat over hostile territory, and long years of confinement, beatings, and torture in the Hanoi Hilton.
He was a man worth remembering.
No, his name was not John McCain.
Six years before McCain’s election to the Senate, Alabama voters sent retired Rear Admiral Jeremiah Denton to Washington’s upper chamber.
Both the parallels and the divergences in Denton and McCain’s lives tell something about the last few decades of our political history.”
https://spectator.org/the-senates-unremembered-ex-pow/
Denton’s response to torture in the Hanoi Hilton was spelling out “torture” in Morse Code before cameras to send the US a message. I remember that.
I guess in the elite circles in DC having a father and grandfather who were admirals is more meaningful or significant.
American Greatness, “Burying the Dead With Bile-Filled Histrionics, ” by Roger Kimball
What quote from the funeral, exactly, offended you?
I am sorry that there was no way for McCain’s loved ones to describe his values and ideals without you noticing that Trump does not hold to any of those values or ideals, or any at all, for that matter.
Perhaps next time he dies, the people who loved him can speak more carefully about him, so as not to offend you.