Posted by Tina
Is someone escaping America by plane into Cuba? Or what other terrible thing might be going on? it’s all up in the air at this point:
(CNN) — The U.S. military is trailing a small aircraft that is unresponsive and is flying over the Atlantic Ocean headed towards Cuban airspace, NORAD said. Two F-15s are flying with the plane east of Florida. The windows, according to a NORAD spokesman, are frosted and it is not known how much fuel is left. NORAD is in touch with Cuban authorities via the U.S. Coast Guard. The U.S. military jets will not enter Cuban airspace, a NORAD spokesman said.
I won’t be back for a few hours so ya’ll will have to update as the afternoon rolls out! Pins and needles time.
It is reported the plane crashed in Jamaica without ever having radio contact.
Well, sadly the plane is down, it crashed just off Jamaica as reported on the newswire, loss of 2 lives if they got the facts correct.
So we responded with a F-15 escort in OPEN AIR SPACE ONLY, bet the Terrorists that captured those 11 planes in Libya will be pondering that bit of intel if needed for any future plans, just in case the speculation of the use of those aircraft, and if they would be used in a attack has any merit,
Thank you Geraldo’s of the media for suggesting what they could do to get within striking range.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/05/if-terrorists-entered-u-s-airspace-with-stolen-libyan-planes-these-are-the-pilots-who-would-greet-them/
From elsewhere on the web—
Comment #17 at this link:
http://www.saysuncle.com/2014/09/04/be-prepared-7/#comments
David Liddy Says:
September 5th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
The story about the missing Libyan airliners needs to die. First, the logistics of stealing those airplanes to begin with would be huge. Some were prop jobs (ATR twin engine) which would be easier to pilot. The CRJ jets could be stolen by someone with a decent amount of flight training. The rest were A320′s (airbus’s version of the 737) and one larger A330. Just to steal those, you need capable pilots with time in those particular aircraft.
Now, let’s say you pull that off. Now, you’ve got to find somewhere to hide 11 stolen aircraft. With enough runway for the larger A320′s and A330.
Okay, let’s say you did that.
Now, you want to fly them across and kill some infidels! Praise Allah!
Wait.
Only 1….ONE of those aircraft is capable of the flight from Africa to the US. The A330. You might make it in the A320′s if…and this is a giant &%#(#) if….if they are configured in such a way for long range flight, stripped of anything and everything (like seats). But you’d need Allah to be on your side. No deviations for weather, no delays, and no headwinds. And a Metric ton of luck.
Oh, and let’s discuss the trans-Atlantic flight, shall we?
1) you’re not flying “under the radar”. First, there is no such thing. US air defense radar will pick up an A320 or A330 at anything but about wave top level. The skill required to fly an airplane that size that low for that long….well, let’s just say *&%^#@^#$ IMPOSSIBLE. And let’s discuss Fuel. Air is denser at the lower altitude. You’ll burn through fuel at an exponentially higher rate. IMPOSSIBLE.
2) Fly across disguised as an airliner/charter/cargo plane? Okay. Maybe. But you’ll need a metric ton of faked documents from your point of origin. And filing an international flight plan isn’t simple. And navigating a modern Airbus across the Atlantic? You WILL need an experienced air crew. You’re not pulling that off with simulator time, or with shitty training like the 9/11 hijackers got.
No, this story needs to die because at most, the simpler of the airplanes will turn up on the black market for smuggling around Africa and the Middle East. More than likely, these airplanes were destroyed or tore apart for scrap.
Make that an even dozen missing planes. Some believe the missing Malaysia plane is in Pakistan and will be used in a similar manner as those that hit the Twin Towers.
Former USAF general says US govt knows missing Malaysian plane is in Pakistan:
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2014/03/former-usaf-general-says-us-govt-knows-missing-malaysian-plane-is-in-pakistan-2823728.html
Some history. During WWII, passing out from lack of oxygen was a risk faced by all our airmen. Single engine fighters did not have autopilots. In some cases, pilots were able to recover when their plane reached lower altitude after they had passed out. Here is one such story—William Overstreet flying his P51 Mustang over France—
Bill relates, “Not long after (the March 6th Mission), I had a freak accident. I think it was a mission to southern France. While over enemy territory, a burst of flak cut my oxygen line. Since I was at about 25,000 feet, I soon passed out. The next thing I knew, I was in a spin, engine dead since the fuel tank it was set on was dry. Somehow, I recovered from the spin, changed fuel setting, got the engine started, and dodged the trees that were in front of me. Then, I looked at my watch. Ninety minutes were not in my memory. I had no idea where I was, but remembered where I had been headed so I reversed it. I was able to find the coast of France and headed for Leiston. By this time, I was low on fuel, so I landed at the Fourth Group base. The officer I talked with was Captain Mead, who had lived a couple of blocks from my home in Clifton Forge, Virginia. To top it off, the mechanic who repaired my plane was “Hot Cha” Tucker, a former schoolmate, also from Clifton Forge. I still have a picture of Tucker and me with a P-47. Many weeks later, this story got a lot of publicity – Lowell Thomas on radio, newspapers and TIME magazine.“
Read the complete story of this American hero here:
http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbird-articles/wwii-veteran-aviator-bill-overstreet-p-51-mustang-berlin-express.html
RHT447 at #3 does the same reasoning apply to these planes if the targets were in Russia, or Europe?
Lions and Tigers and bears oh no!
Not like the Planes reported the pilot was out cold but breathing and the US informed Cuba who scrambled Jets and their pilots reported the same.
Might want to commend the 2 countries for being able to track a runaway plane and communicate appropriately.
Meanwhile the corporate media discusses it all day while the arms industry is selling military gear to the worlds police forces in Oakland.
I am more afraid of over zealous idiots waiting to practice terrorist warfare on peaceful citizens who use the 1st amendment.
Re: Tina at #6
Perhaps a bit of background is in order. Bear with me.
I am no expert at this. I have never held any kind of security clearance or had access to any classified material. I served a tour in the Regular Army and a bit later, nearly two decades in the State Reserve, the last six years as a battalion commander (yeah, I’m a mustang). During the mid-80’s, I served on the battalion staff as the operations officer. Many of those in my unit were Vietnam and/or Cold War vets, and as such pretty good at “thinking like the bad guys”.
We were tasked at one point to write some potential scenarios where in we would play the part of the bad guys for local LEO agencies. To make a point, we wrote one scenario that went as follows:
A person or persons of middle-eastern decent, probably here on a student visa, is going to beg, borrow, or steal something in the way of a general aviation aircraft. They are going to load it with high explosives or a back-pack nuke, then land (ditch) it into the water 1/2 mile behind Oroville Dam. This will start the countdown of one hour, giving the plane time to sink.
My only point in mentioning this is that it is not a new topic for me. Oh, the response to our scenario? Our chain of command smiled, patted us on the head, and told to go back and write “something more realistic”. It would seem we were a bit ahead of our time.
Back to your question: “RHT447 at #3 does the same reasoning apply to these planes if the targets were in Russia, or Europe?”
Mechanically speaking, probably not. Most of the missing aircraft have enough range to hit any number of targets in that part of the world.
Tactically speaking, I think it does apply. The original 9/11 hi-jackers were very clever in taking over planes already in the air and, in the system. All they needed was some basic knowledge of level flight control. By the time our defense system figured out what was happening, it was too late. The missing planes now are all on the ground. Who is going to pre-flight them, and then take off and fly them? Everyone is watching the skies, so any un-scheduled blip on the radar will be an instant red flag. Most of the “infidel” targets are in western countries with credible air defenses. I just don’t think they would get very far.
If however, one or more un-identified aircraft popped up on the radar as a diversion to make us look the wrong way—-well, who knows?
“Our chain of command smiled, patted us on the head, and told to go back and write “something more realistic”.
Not surprised. You’re going to blow a damn, from half a mile away, under water?
You need to watch some of that “Breaking Bad” and get yerself some chemistry and some physics.
Libs, didn’t quite understand your comment, but I do like watching Breaking Bad. I get a kick out of it because of the chemistry between Walter and Jesse. They are total bunglers and survive because they keep getting breaks. The writing is ingenious. I’ve known a number of big time drug dealers and they eventually got themselves caught because they always wanted more. They tended to flash their new found wealth in the dumbest ways. Dope money burned a hole in their pockets…every one of them without fail and this often led to their demise.
You don’t understand that RHT’s scenario … that you could blow a damn from half a mile away, under water … is entirely deserving of a pat on the head?
Point for me.
And other people, not you, would have taken the irony in a suggestion that RHT, et al., should be getting their scientific education from that sicko, psycho show.
Thanks RHT447. The tough thing, as we found on 911 is the thing nobody considers. I’m clear that we have good people working behind the scenes…just not clear we have adequate leadership and that’s unsettling.