Posted by Tina
Gateway Pundit, quoting from a Tribune/Dailymail story, reports that the last words uttered on the downed flight were “Allahu Albar”:
“Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar! They shouted it before he died,” said Nurcahyo, as quoted Dailymail.co.uk, Wednesday (14/01/2015).
Not a good sign, if true, in terms of what has been promised by the bad guys.
Islam, the “religion” of peace.
Off Topic: Racists, racists, who are the racists.
The Drudge Report is a valuable compendium of news and information,here are some headliners from today —
Martin Luther King Jr. enlisted to fight illegal immigration, Obama amnesty
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/martin-luther-king-jr.-enlisted-to-fight-illegal-immigration-obama-amnesty/article/2558628
Flashback: Corretta Scott King warned illegals would take black jobs
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/flashback-coretta-king-warned-illegals-would-take-black-jobs/article/2558647
Secret Service Shakeup
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/4-top-secret-service-executives-told-to-leave-their-posts-in-agency-shake-up/2015/01/14/a084b164-9c1f-11e4-96cc-e858eba91ced_story.html
As if on cue:
Of course since its a story from the “discredited” Dailymail with the equally unreliable source, FBI, we can’t be sure this isn’t just a right wing lie.
Pie thanks for posting the links. I’ve had a busy work day…seems that always happens when there is a lot to post about. I may get a chance to front page some of this later tonight!
Whereas any Christians on the flight might have exclaimed: “God have mercy, Lord have mercy.”
Maybe the braver amongst them managed a: “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, ….”
Tell us … why were the one contingent praying, and the other terrorizing?
Me and Chris are going to make you a “Bigot Hat” … that you can put on every time we catch you being a bigot.
Good point Libby, there’s a slim chance that may be all it is.
For you we have fashioned the traditional “dunce cap” that you can wear at all times, generally speaking.
Aren’t we all playing nice now?
REF post #3 Libby’s comment about “Bigot Hat” in reference too “Not a good sign, if true, in terms of what has been promised by the bad guys.”
I Don’t see the “bigot label” as proper, Tina’s post and closing comment leaves it open to discussion, but no specific conclusion has been reached.
However it seems Libby is attempting to create a negative out of this comment.
Without surprise, her comment is incorrectly applying the label of “Bigot” regarding this post.
For her sake ,hope those “dunce caps” come in extra large
I knew I couldn’t get you to think seriously about it: “what would you be doing on your way into the icy depths?”
Your own scenario: that the pilot called in for permission to avoid bad weather … and then crashed the plane … is irrational … and born of bigotry.
Harold: “For her sake ,hope those “dunce caps” come in extra large”
Nicely done, Harold! The egos/narcissism run in XXXXL for so many on the left!
Standard operating procedure of the radical left. When all else fails, call the people you hate bigots and racists.
Libby I did take it seriously! I immediately wrote, “Good point Libby…” I then considered the atmosphere in which we live and a long past record of bad guys using planes as weapons or war arenas, and voiced the logic behind including the possibility of terrorism.
I thinks it’s just more important for you that you have an opportunity to accuse than it is to add what was a very good point.
You tarnished that excellent take with your snarky stab! How dumb is that! And is it simply learned leftist behavior or are you just naturally a nasty contentious person?
It’s incredible how you guys expect us just to take your crap, fall to our knees, as apologize when we know in our hearts that your personal attack has no basis in reality and is absolutely wrong!
Chris…I hope this serves as an explanation for your questions about “the rules”.
I will treat others with respect when they show the same to me. I will not become anybodies whipping post or B***h!
Here’s a Muslim immigrant I’d welcome with open arms and one this administration should cut through the red tape and fast track to grant him asylum.
He’s the Afghan Who Saved Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell’s Life — and Now He’s in Need of America’s Help:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/01/15/hes-the-afghan-that-saved-navy-seal-marcus-luttrells-life-and-now-hes-in-need-of-americas-help/
Peggy, Obama can expedite when it comes to releasing prisoners from Gitmo, but he can’t cut thru the red tape on this guy? Who’s running American, the bureaucrats and pencil pushers or we the people?
Cause if its the people we would say just bring the guy here…give him citizenship and help him restart his life. That’s the decent thing to do. All this crap with all the technicalities drives me crazy. How can 15 millions illegals get here so easy anyway?
Apparently, this whole story is based on a mistranslation from Yahoo News.
From the Right Scoop:
“IMPORTANT UPDATE: Yahoo News sourced their version of this article to the New Straits Times Online. So I went to this website and found the original article and it turns out Yahoo News left something very important out:
Analysing the recording while listening to their final words like “Allahuakhbar” repeatedly, give the investigators goose bumps, Nurcahyo said.
“It is as if we can feel them… Allahuakhbar, Allahuakhbar were the last words said before they died,” he said referring to his experience analising black boxes from past crashes.
The phrase “he said referring to his experience analising black boxes from past crashes” was completely left out of the Yahoo News story even though the story is almost identical word for word. Why they would omit such a crucial detail, I’m really not sure. But I certainly can’t do that which is why I’m bringing it to your attention.
So it appears that this story is not true as reported by Yahoo News.”
Read more: http://therightscoop.com/revealed-last-words-of-pilot-on-airasia-flight-allahu-akbar/#ixzz3OwM5WMrE
So the man quoted had not yet analyzed this particular box, he was talking about the last words of members of previous flights. And it wasn’t about terrorism, it was simply passengers praying before their deaths.
Kudos to this conservative site for correcting their story immediately. Hopefully Yahoo and Gateway Pundit will do the same (though I’d bet Gateway Pundit won’t, as correcting erroneous stories is not Jim Hoft’s style).
The President could always cut through the red tape with his phone and his pen.
If anyone deserves a “path to citizenship” it’s this wonderful man. He and his family are exactly the reason that America and the free world must spread freedom throughout the world. “Nation building” has been given a black eye by those who want tax dollars to spend elsewhere. It was targeted for destruction using the same Alinsky method that was used to destroy Sarah Palin and others in the Republican Party and broad brush catagories like “Corporate America” or “Big Banks.”
Nation building when nations pose a threat to their own people and the rest of the world is perfectly acceptable as a possible solution to a problem as long as its done without the intention of taking over the nation. It worked in japan and Germany after WWII. Those nations joined the rest of the free world and put aside their old ways.
In Iraq we did not impose our style of government. We let them establish a government that worked for them. We had no intention of “occupation”
Gotta go…
One thing you can say for sure, Libby and Chris are keen fashioners of “Bigot Hats” out of whole cloth. It is their raison d’tere.
“I then considered the atmosphere in which we live and a long past record of bad guys using planes as weapons ….”
Uh, there was only the once, actually. (Unless you want to bring in the Japanese & WWII … but they weren’t Muslims, were they?)
I repeat:
Your own scenario: that the pilot called in for permission to avoid bad weather … and then crashed the plane … is irrational … and born of bigotry.
I mean, come on ….
I have not been keeping score, but haven’t the twin ass hats Libby and Chris called just about every conservative frequenting this forum a bigot and racist?
Chris: “…though I’d bet Gateway Pundit won’t, as correcting erroneous stories is not Jim Hoft’s style”
I see you couldn’t resist spoiling an otherwise good comment by taking a pot shot at an opposing opinion source. If you’re going to do that you really must learn to be adult about pot shots others take at you.
The most significant thing about your having done this for me is that it carries with it an insinuation that this is something the sources you favor could never do. But that isn’t true.
The left media has gotten major stories wrong for decades, often on purpose in the style of Alinsky, and have only very rarely made a correction. They’re famous for sticking corrections of fact in a tiny paragraph and posting it in the help wanted or financial pages. Of course they are also never called on it the shenanigans by those of the liberal persuasion. Their “news” is accepted as gospel and then disseminated liberally across the left news pack.
Left thinking people had a monopoly in the news business for several decades and that’s not a good situation. Competition finally arrived in the late eighties and then radio and the internet exploded and so did the numbers and variety of sources. You should be happy about that and lighten up about insisting on absolute truth at all times. In this age of instant access to constantly changing news and themes with millions of internet, television and radio sources it makes sense that sometimes the facts are wrong. Knowing this, people should be encouraged to take what they read as information that may or may not be absolutely true and then watch to see how the story develops. And that practice should, over time, provide people with a number of sources they feel they can trust. But even then it would be a mistake to assume or expect absolute or complete accuracy every single time. That’s a recipe for constant disappointment, anger, and frustration.
I don’t trust the NYT or Media Matters to deliver factual information. In fact liberal media in general has a reputation with many of us for reporting erroneous information that is rarely questioned. Brent Bozell from the right perspective has fashioned a career of exposing the biases, egregious lies, deceptions, and omissions of fact by prominent left media.
“So the man quoted had not yet analyzed this particular box, he was talking about the last words of members of previous flights. And it wasn’t about terrorism, it was simply passengers praying before their deaths.”
YOU DON’T SAY?
Suckers! … or worse … again
… AGAIN!
I know … it’s against the rules.
But … CAN YOU REALIZE? … this is serious.
You have gotten away with too God Damned much for too God Damned long.
You have deliberately re-printed an appalling lot of malicious inaccuracies … for months and months … and the ER really ought to shut you down. They really ought.
Libby: “Uh, there was only the once, actually.”
Remember the shoe bomber? And the underwear bomber? Both failed but the desire to blow up the plane was still there. How about the Air France flight 8969 in December of 94, hijacked en route to Algiers. Three people were executed and others injured. In 1999 Indian Airlines flight 814 is another example of a hijacked plane.
Other plots have been foiled that involved planes as CNN reported in 2012. Salmon Pak in Iraq was the alleged sight for training the al Qaeda 911 hyjackers:
Of course this was dismissed by left media.
Our Marines found a training site in Qatar:
So much for “uh”
Tina, why must you tuen everything into a left-right competition? All I said was that Gateway Pundit posts a lot of inaccurate stories without correcting them. That is simply a fact. You can easily Google this record for yourself. Comparing Hoft to the NYT or even Media Matters is simply ridiculous.
And since you bring up Brent Bozell and the MRC, their media analysis generally consists of complaning that they have to see gay people on television. I hardly think pointing to them as a paragon of truth in journalism is going to help the right’s credibility, especially given our recent discussion about bigotry.
Chris: “why must you tuen everything into a left-right competition?”
Why must you?
Why must your party?
“Comparing Hoft to the NYT or even Media Matters is simply ridiculous.”
Sorry, but your bias is showing. As I pointed out Brent Bozell at MRC has tracked the errors of outfits like the NYT and Media matters too and found errors that never get corrected.
The arrogance of the left is they actually believe they are always right and always perfect.
“…their media analysis generally consists of complaning that they have to see gay people on television.”
Much like left media complains that Christians have a “wrong” point of view and deserve to be scorned. See how you turn everything into a competition. See how biased you are?
“I hardly think pointing to them as a paragon of truth in journalism is going to help the right’s credibility”
Big surprise!
Just know that a growing number of Americans have become aware of the left medias lousy credibility and the ratings and subscription numbers show it!
“…especially given our recent discussion about bigotry.”
You are so full of yourself.
You said: “a long past record of bad guys using planes as weapons ….”
If you’re going to bring in all violent shenanigans on airplanes, we’ll have to pitch those Catholic Cubans into the pot.
I don’t suppose you’re getting the message at all? Imputing airplane violence on Muslim extremists particularly, when all your extremists have been known to indulge in it … is not rational. And I am afraid that the appellation “bigoted” is also applicable.
Libby: “You said: “a long past record of bad guys using planes as weapons ….”
In context I actually said after praising your comment, “I then considered the atmosphere in which we live and a long past record of bad guys using planes as weapons or war arenas, and voiced the logic behind including the possibility of terrorism.”
Do you honestly think it is stupid to “consider” in the atmosphere we live in? Why? Is it wise to take Muslim radicals off the table?
“if you’re going to bring in all violent shenanigans on airplanes, we’ll have to pitch those Catholic Cubans into the pot.”
Fine with me; I did say “bad guys” didn’t I?
The problem is you come from a need to “consider” based on moral equivalence and fairness tests. How many Catholic Cubans do you suppose pilot Air Asia flights out of Indonesia?
Your side has focus problems. And you have a pathological need to prove once and for all that the left’s Alinsky smear, Republicans are racist,” is absolutely TRUE when in fact it is simply left political propaganda from which has sprung all of the PC nonsense that has this nation strangled and divided.
You’d be interested to know about one of the terrorist attacks that I found in researching this. A vigilante KKK group in the South following the Civil War targeted and murdered fredmen and Republicans:
The KKK has been suppressed and rejected in this nation and are not currently causing trouble or I would also be willing to include them.
These allegations are just specious! Republicans have no record of racism or violence against blacks as Democrats do.
Republicans have an early and continuing record of support for blacks. The Party of Lincoln favored freeing the black man, bled and died in a war to do so, and were active in the civil rights movement from its beginning. See here, and here.
Tina: “Much like left media complains that Christians have a “wrong” point of view and deserve to be scorned”
Not simply for being Christian. When Christians argue against legal equality for gays, and when Christians such as Brent Bozell argue that is is somehow sinister to portray healthy, positive gay people on TV, then yes, those particular Christians are wrong and deserving of the same type of scorn they throw against gay people.
But there has been no similar campaign from the left to argue that Christians should not be represented in a positive way on TV.
Tina, Chris’ moan “why must you tuen everything into a left-right competition?” was truly one of the funniest posts I have ever read in this forum.
He truly is the most gifted natural unintentional comic I have ever witnessed.
Keep the laughs coming!
Re: “Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar! They shouted it before he died.”
Unanswered question, who is this “they” who did the shouting? The pilot and crew?
Pie: “Unanswered question, who is this “they” who did the shouting? The pilot and crew?”
Pie, the expert was actually referring to the passengers of previous crashes. They were misquoted by the Yahoo story.
Seven countries enforce the death penalty for homosexuality, they are all Islamic nations, and the magnificent defender of Islam, the self-appointed lambaster of “Islamophobic” bigots, bitches about Brent Bozell and Christians.
(Insert whatever the internet symbol for humongous eye roll here.)
Mainstream Islam also regularly punishes women Muslim victims of rape with prison and flogging for committing adultery by being raped.
Those durn Christians!!!
Because obviously everyone should spend as much time and energy on problems in other countries as they spend on problems in their own.
Bye Pie’s logic, no conservative should ever complain about President Obama since Kim Jong-un is so much worse.
Re #27 Bullshit.
Clarification of #29 in case there is a misunderstanding: The story is bullshit.
Also, Pie, I was not “bitching about Christians.” Tina brought up treatment of Christians by the left-wing media; I pointed out that while anti-gay Christians (NOT Christians as a whole) are often criticized and mocked, that is not typically because they are Christians, it is because they are anti-gay. There is also no concerted effort by the left to deny Christians basic civil rights on the left. The moral equivalence was silly.
You also ignore that Uganda, a majority Christian nation, nearly passed a law enforcing the death penalty for homosexuality, but only changed the punishment at the last moment due to international pressure (now the punishment is life in prison). This law was influenced and supported by some figures on the American Christian right fringe, including the Family Research Council, a hate group which has been defended many times on this blog.
I’m not trying to draw an equivalence; I do think anti-gay bigotry is a bigger problem in majority Muslim nations than it is in majority Christian nations. But it seems silly to argue that it’s wrong for someone to criticize anti-gay bigotry sponsored by and affecting Americans unless that same person spends as much time condemning anti-gay bigotry in other countries.
But there has been no similar campaign from the left to argue that Christians should not be represented in a positive way on TV. Hollywood has been run by the left for some time. There has been a concerted effort to portray Christians as being ignorant, silly, backward, and stupid…definitely not cool. Left Hollywood/left politics has been mocking and criticizing Christians and their beliefs in this country since the sixties. The theme was front and center in the first Bill Clinton run for President.
Tip of the hat to Pie! I nearly got sucked into the gay vortex again. I was saved by your “humongous eye roll” comment.
Tina: “But there has been no similar campaign from the left to argue that Christians should not be represented in a positive way on TV.”
Ridiculous. Where are the editorials lamenting over the moral decay of America whenever there is a Christian portrayed positively on TV, or a scene takes place in a church? Most shows avoid religion as a matter of principal, but it is common for athletes and actors to thank God for awards or successes. When a Christian is portrayed positively in the media no one complains about it.
Here is an interesting take on Glee’s portrayal of Christians:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/11/my-take-gays-are-coming-out-on-tv-christians-are-too/
Further proof that Chris is an insane left-wing equivocater — “I do think anti-gay bigotry is a bigger problem in majority Muslim nations than it is in majority Christian nations.”
Seven nations prescribe the death penalty for homosexuality. ALL are Islamic. Christians, on the other hand, are trying to save souls, not murder gays.
Get a damn clue.
Re: Bye Pie’s logic, no conservative should ever complain about President Obama since Kim Jong-un is so much worse.
I don’t know where the magnificent one comes up with this utter nonsense, but I suspect it comes from a weak and diseased mind desperate and grasping at phantasmagorical straws in order to justify its own putrid existence.
Re Postscripts original post: “Not a good sign, if true, in terms of what has been promised by the bad guys.”
I agree. Not a good sign IF TRUE, given the very real terrorist context that expression has with aircraft and atrocities. Nothing wrong with that at all.
The left-wing harpies, Chris and Libby (Chris being the self castrated magically transsexual harpy) are full of ****.
Pie at #35: You must have misread my comment. I said I DO think anti-gay bigotry is a bigger problem in majority Muslim nations than it is in majority Christian nations.” In other words, I was agreeing with you that Muslim countries have MUCH more homophobic policies than Christian countries.
Pie at #36: The analogy works perfectly. You suggested that it made no sense to criticize American Christian conservatives for anti-gay beliefs because Muslim countries treat gays far worse. By the same logic, you should also believe it is wrong to criticize the American president because the leaders of those other countries are so much worse. But of course you don’t believe that.
Pie at all times: Fuck off you bigoted bully.
Nice to see Pie has now added transphobia to his repertoire of bigoted slurs.