Posted by Tina
This morning Politico released a story with a provocative headline: “Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship”
Sneaky, DECEITFUL, lying b’tards! The true story doesn’t fit the headline. Not even close.
The Carson campaign clarifies via The Daily Caller:
Politico published a piece Friday claiming Carson’s campaign “admits fabricating” the fact that he applied and was admitted to West Point.
“Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point,” Kyle Cheney writes in the lede.
The Carson campaign disputes Politico’s unsubstantiated claim he ever claimed to have applied to West Point or been admitted: “He never said he was admitted or even applied.”…
… Here is the full statement Watts provided to TheDCNF:
“Dr Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer.
He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.
The American people have some heavy lifting to do this election season. Wading through the mud and trying to determine truth from fiction will be tough. We at Post Scripts will do our part.
In addition to the famous Pinocchios, we now have both Harwoods and Politicos!
But whichever you choose, you’ll still need a truckload of ’em whenever $hilLIARy or Obumble step to the podium . . . . .
You left out a lot. Carson has said numerous times that he was offered a “full scholarship” to West Point. West Point says that isn’t even a thing. Politico has corrected their story to reflect that Carson never explicitly said he applied or was admitted, and that he never confessed to making up this incident, but they stand by the central point that Carson’s claim of a full offer had been disputed. Even Careon’s campaign has now said it wasn’t a formal offer, which clearly goes against what Carson implied previously.
There are also questions about whether Carson has exaggerated his self-described “violent” past.
Most damningly, and hilariously of all, Carson said this week that the pyramids were built by the Biblical Joseph to harvest grain, and that archeologists who believe they were tombs for royalty (which is all of them) are wrong. When pressed on this, he claimed that was in the Bible. Spoiler alert: it’s not. No religious denomination shares this belief. It’s just a whacky theory Carson made up and then falsely claimed www in the Bible.
Someone this stupid and uninformed has no business running for president.
Chris, do you know when this quote was made? If it was older than 20 years does that lessen it’s impact?
Jack, he originally made those comments about be pyramids in 1998. However, he defended them just last week. The first time he said it he claimed it was his own personal theory; this time he falsely claimed it was in the Bible.
https://youtu.be/iN7bs9Ur6dU
several times here is a quick clip. Chris is correct.
Ben Carson: “I was offered a full scholarship to West Point” (Oct 9, 2015) | Charlie Rose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xRzFL0_TRo
and this is not even the main clip. Search Youtube it’s all there
Chris you’re such a compassionate person…you should be a Democrat!
All people that go to West Point go on full scholarship, they repay their education by serving their nation. Is it really that big a deal that a young man from a poor family with little life experience beyond his neighborhood who had turned his life around and had reached the top in the ROTC program at his high school might express such an opportunity as a “full scholarship?”
I don;t think so.
There is a dispute going on about the pyramids and who built them. Egyptian Arabs are also denying that Jews were in Egypt prior to 1200 BCE.
A history of the Greeks and the Jews circa 332-63 BC can be read here
Here’s the answer to Carson’s “wacky” notion from a Jewish Rabbi’s perspective:
Knowledge about ancient history is pretty shallow in America. It doesn’t surprise me that an assumption has been made. I doubt even Chris would have made the distinction between a pyramid city, the storage areas surrounding a pyramid, and the pyramids themselves given what we’ve been taught. Read more about Egyptian history here:
The Biblical (Torah) history of the Jews, has been the subject of dispute for a centuries. It likely stems from common ties of Jews and Muslims to Moses. Muslims like to say that the Jews have no right to the Temple Mount too. I wouldn’t put much stock in disputes about ancient history and the Jews. the attack on the Jews will become more fabricated and more vicious in coming years with the growth and spread Muslim terrorists.
Re : “Most damningly, and hilariously of all, Carson said this week that the pyramids were built by the Biblical Joseph to harvest grain …
“Someone this stupid and uninformed has no business running for president.”
I really liked Dr. Ben Carson, but he has become an embarrassment. Nevertheless, I find it an interesting contrast it will be a cold day in hell that Chris ever ridicules Islam for that religion’s insane and brutal beliefs. Sticking it to Carson is left-wing PC, but ridiculing Islam is out of bounds. Chris is wise to pick on Carson and not Islam. Islam would be happy to kill him, but Carson never would even contemplate such a thing. There is only one explanation : Chris thinks sucking up to Islam makes him safe.
So it goes.
You keep talking of “Islam” as if it is a person. “Islam” doesn’t want to kill me; that’s impossible. Some Muslims would gladly kill me, but most wouldn’t. Many Muslims believe things that are not just ridiculous, but evil; none of them, last I checked, are running for president. On the other hand I have a few Muslim friends whose beliefs are all pretty run of the mill. I’ve criticized aspects of radical Islam more times than I can count; you have no idea what you are talking about.
Re: “You keep talking of “Islam” as if it is a person.”
HUH? What sort of brain dead nonsense is that???
In case you were not aware, Islam IS PEOPLE. Your anecdotal baloney does not cut it. Mainstream Islam would beat you and kill you in a heartbeat given the chance. It is time for you to start paying attention to what Islam is, not what you fantasize it to be.
Islam is a religion. OMG! Not people. BTW corporations are not people either.
Full Definition of ISLAM
1
: the religious faith of Muslims including belief in Allah as the sole deity and in Muhammad as his prophet
2
a : the civilization erected upon Islamic faith
b : the group of modern nations in which Islam is the dominant religion
Sorry Pie you are wrong
Ben Shapiro does an excellent job debunking the Politico Hit piece. Note the West Point marketing material that uses the word “scholarship.”
http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro
This morning CNN came out with an article saying, “What initially looked like a disaster for Ben Carson could now be a major black eye for Politico.”
http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/06/media/ben-carson-politico-west-point/index.html
You’re right, Peggy. And Carson is now thanking those presstitutes in the media for the increase in donations of $3.5 million to his campaign.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/259469-carson-thanks-biased-media-for-35m-fundraising-haul
Politico and CNN’s hit pieces have turned around and bitten them in the tush.
The Taranto Principle will be a factor in the presidential election.
The Politico hit piece and its failure is a perfect example of the Taranto Principle.
Also, if you missed Trump on SNL last night it was good and worth seeing.
On this Peggy and I depart. I really did not need another reason to not watch SNL and am glad I intentionally missed that circus of idiots. SNL was once funny, 40 years ago.
Instead, I watched “Satan Met A Lady”, (1936) the second of three film adaptations of Dashiell Hammett’s “The Maltese Falcon.”
John Hinderacker at Powerline shines the light on Carson giving it to the media:
Dang this feels good!
“In particular, he notes that Obama’s college and law school records are sealed.”
Oh. So he lied, then.
“Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/
Carson did not lie.
Obama has closely guarded his school records and history.
Hillary’s senior paper was also protected from public scrutiny.
The practice of withholding permission to release records has been referenced as “records are sealed,” or “unseal his records,” or “will not unseal” before. It is a generalized term rather than a specific term. Examples:
Western Center for Journalism:
Chalk and Talk:
Wikipedia:
An inordinate amount of basic information about Obama is being withheld and he went to a lot of trouble to fabricate a history to deflect attention away from his actual record and history. Carson’s point was media attention to such details. They hound Republicans and he’s asking why not the same treatment for Democrats.
Surely you agree it’s a legitimate question!
Tina, both links you provided to show that the word “sealed” has been used to refer to Obama’s documents are right-wing sources. That hardly proves that “sealed” is the objectively correct term; those sites are, knowingly or not, spreading the same lie as Carson. (The teacher’s complaint is especially ridiculous; like you couldn’t write a research paper on Obama without his college records and passport? Come on. Luckily the comments are filled with insightful people pointing out that his complaints don’t make sense, and he addresses them politely.)
The Wikipedia article seems correct in how it uses the word “sealed,” since Clinton specifically asked that the thesis not be released.
As has been pointed out, other presidents including GWB also chose not to reveal their college records. This is their right. You’ve provided no evidence that Obama has chosen this more than any other president.
I do agree that the media is biased toward the left.
LOL carson is a looney Toon. Who cares about him?
Good grief Dewey you have to be projecting!
The libtard twins are sure having fun bashing Dr. Ben Carson. *Yawn*
Chris the point was that the term “sealed” “is a generalized term rather than a specific term.” The examples, chosen to illustrate this, were from a variety of sources, Wikipedia, a teachers blog, and a right wing website.
The point isn’t that candidates sometimes seal their records. The point is that the media had no curiosity about a candidate whose history was being managed and hidden and they didn’t care or attempt to dig deep.
The media fabricated lies about Bush in an effort to flush his candidacy. That’s overt activist journalism.
I am asking that the media do its job instead of taking sides. There isn’t anything unreasonable about that.
Regarding the “Chalk and Talk” blog the teacher had a point. From the comments section:
Why are there no articles available from the Harvard Law Review? Why is nothing available from his days as a professor? It isn’t just grades or a passport. It’s like his past was scrubbed and replaced by a couple of books FOR THE PRESS. And they dutifully complied and questioned nothing. They became his cheerleaders.
Obama lied his way into the White House and the media helped him. Fat chance you will ever hear from Piss or Screwy about it.
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/11/465980-false-things-obama-said-about-his-bio-that-didnt-cause-the-media-to-go-into-full-meltdown/
A reminder that a few journalists who dug into Obama’s history found fabrications and embellishments in his books.
How many Americans know about Mark Ndesandjo. The article includes the kind of media claim that gives those who have researched Obama’s past another piece to consider in the puzzle:
As I wrote when Chris first brought up the birther question, if there is controversy and mystery and distrust of Obama’s past it’s because he has been so secretive. There was plenty for the media to use against Obama had they wanted to pursue it. Clearly, they didn’t want to do it.
Hillary is the next “in the bag” candidate for president as far as the left media is concerned. Will America be fooled again?
Dewey: “BTW corporations are not people either.”
Hmmm, I guess that means you’re in favor of removing official tax numbers from all corporations and ending all taxes and regulations on them too, right?
More proof that anyone can be uninformed. Someone made the snarky comment that Carson probably learned the story about the Pyramids from the movie, “The Ten Commandments” with Charleton Heston as Moses. Turns out the movie portrayed the story accurately, at least according to Wikipedia:
The set features pyramids in the background. It’s easy to see that the assumption that Jewish slaves were working on a pyramid.
Wasn’t the point supposed to be that slavery and oppression have been with us for centuries and black people are not the only race or group to be enslaved? In other words aren’t blacks part of the human race, subject to the evils of the world just as any other group…and in America opportunity gives anyone the chance to realize his dreams. Isn’t the purpose in saying that to free the minds of blacks who don’t realize they have opportunities and all they have to do is apply themselves. Is that not the better message for backs? I think it is!