Submitted by Pie
Two video interviews (below) expose the vicious Saul Alinsky attack machine utilized by the radical left to destroy anyone and anything that they believe could get in the way of their ambitions and power. Megyn Kelly sits down with Charles Koch, a man high on the enemies list, to discuss his life and his political positions. Kelly sets the stage for her interview by revealing the fact that 53,000 attack ads were leveled at Charles Koch in just the last election cycle. That’s a lot of hate.
Charles Koch and his brother run Koch Industries, a conglomerate of manufacturing companies that employ 60,000 Americans and produce “transportation fuels, building and consumer products, electronic connectors, fibers, fertilizers, membrane filtration and pollution control equipment.” Koch companies and their employees are dedicated to responsible stewardship of the environment: “Twelve Koch companies’ sites are accredited by Wildlife Habitat Council for employee-led conservation and environmental education programs.”
Megyn Kelly with Charles Koch:
The radical progressive machine placed this fellow American citizen at the top of their enemies list and targeted him for personal destruction. (Alinsky Rule #12) Leaders of the Democrat Party including Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Harry Reid led in the attack. This cowardly, tyrannical method to retain or gain power has no place in American politics. It mirrors tactics used by the Nazi’s when they targeted the Jews and the mob in America. It represents a desire to garner power over the people rather than leadership representing the people. The portrait of Charles Koch as an evil, polluting, selfishly profiteering Scrooge is a fake. It is meant to deceive. It is meant to harm. I hope you will watch this important interview to get a sense of Charles Koch for yourself.
How bereft of ideas and American ideals must politicians and their mouthpieces be when they must stoop to the total destruction of the opposition to win elections?
I feel compelled to add that we can expect more attack ads in the coming year from all of the candidates. Unfortunately these ads will take up more space than respectful debate. This happens because the tactic has been successful. We the people buy into the lies and deception and are responsible for this sad state in American politics. It’s easier to vote based on nasty ads, phony chat and blatantly false accusations than it is to seek information and form impressions of candidates directly. I highly recommend that we evaluate not only the candidates themselves but the lows they stoop in attack ads.
Pie: “I feel compelled to add that we can expect more attack ads in the coming year from all of the candidates. Unfortunately these ads will take up more space than respectful debate.”
Tell me, Pie, does telling someone who disagrees with you that you hope they get tortured and murdered by terrorists count as “respectful debate?”
Pie didn’t write that quote, Chris, I did. Pie submitted the links and suggested they deserved to be on the front page. I agreed. The commentary is mine and mine alone. Apologies for the misdirection.
However, the remark here about a comment that was deleted following your complaint, is without merit…the very thing you supposedly deplore.
Every other poster here let’s the expressions of others stand on their own and either let insults roll off their backs or meet them in like kind. ONLY YOU feel the need to monitor others and tattle like a small child.
Put a sock in it and move on, please.
Again I need to apologize to Jack, Tina, and the followers of Post Scripts for my angry language in response to the left wing lunatics who frequent these pages. I recognize and admit my faults and shall endeavor to avoid repetition in this New Year, but it will be a cold day in hell that I ever apologize to the likes of Dewey and Chris.
Sorry, Tina. I should have realized the writing style was yours and not Pie’s.
Re : Tell me, Pie, does telling someone who disagrees with you that you hope they get tortured and murdered by terrorists count as “respectful debate?”
Pardon me, but what “debate?” True, I do not respect you or Dewey. You both are as horrid and stupid as horrid and stupid gets.
Would also like to see a requirement that any candidate who benefits from voter fraud be required to resign the seat they were elected to. If we’d had that 5 years ago, Dirtier Harry would not still be in the Senate.
Good point, J.
Connecting the dots we find several reasons for concern in Reid’s election even if voter fraud didn’t impact the election enough to make Reid the winner. His son was the county commision chairman and the SEIU serviced the voting machines:
Charges were waged that voting machines “…were rigged to place check marks next to Reid’s name before a person even had voted.
It seems to me that these types of conflicts of interest should also be illegal.
Yup! And ACORN played a big part in it, and later was convicted of voter fraud in Las Vegas. But Dirtier Harry kept his Senate seat . . . .
The Koch brothers are billionaires who take government subsidies from taxes which they discourage through Tea Party proxies who will see their Medicare and Social Security jeopardized by lower tax rates. The blatant willingness of the Koch brothers to achieve their means through hypocrisy is indisputable. They represent the billionaire class that is contributing to inequality through their manipulation of our political system. How can this even be stopped when money can purchase power so directly through lobbyists and marketing campaigns as clever as Tea Party Patriotism?
The Cato Institute, originally the Charles Koch Foundation, is one of the most influential libertarian think tanks in the country. With both Charles and David Koch on its board of directors, Cato has produced numerous studies on the evils of corporate subsidies (which it calls “corporate welfare”), dating back at least to the 1990s
Hypocrisy known Koch Subsidies?
Flagship Koch Industries has taken over $16.5 million in subsidies from 11 different awards, none of which are sales tax breaks (which generally are not subsidies).
Subsidiary Georgia Pacific has received 72 subsidies worth over $43.9 million (none of these were sales tax breaks).
Subsidiary Flint Hills Resources LP has received subsidies from Iowa, Kansas, Texas, and Michigan, according to the Good Jobs First Subsidy Tracker; the New York Times subsidy database, which omits Michigan but includes one more Iowa subsidy, puts the value of the Iowa and Kansas subsidies alone at just over $12.5 million (again, none of which were sales tax breaks).
Subsidiary INVISTA has received $217,504 in training grants from South Carolina, according to Subsidy Tracker. Several other subsidies appear to be connected to this subsidiary, but none have available subsidy amounts. Again, none were sales tax breaks.
To summarize:
Koch Industries: $16.5 million
Georgia Pacific: $43.9 million
Flint Hills: $12.5 million
INVISTA: $0.2 million
Total subsidies to the Koch brothers:$73.1 million
The minimum
David Koch’s 1980 VP Platform is public so you say you support it?
Let’s talk about it then.
Start with Social Security
“The Koch brothers are billionaires who take government subsidies from taxes which they discourage through Tea Party proxies who will see their Medicare and Social Security jeopardized by lower tax rates.”
Being a billionaire is allowed in this country, it’s even a source for admiration, appreciation, and inspiration for some of us. Those vast sums of money are reinvested to create jobs and support innovation and research.
Yes, the Koch’s are involved in industries that get subsidies through government paid by the taxpayer. They aren’t any different from man other big industry giants yet they have been personally demeaned. Charles Koch’s position is that he would eliminate subsidies and cronyism. However, if the government cannot be persuaded to remove subsidies, and remove them for all industries, then it makes sense for Koch companies to accept the subsidy, as every other like company does. Every American would do the same…even Dewey. Taxes are paid according to the laws set down by Congress. In fact I’m quite certain that Dewey has taken every tax exemption the law allows him when he files his taxes. (You do file, right, Dewey?) I’m also fairly certain that Dewey uses paper products, electronic devices, gasoline, and other products produced, if not by the Koch’s, then other companies that also receive subsidies. This includes the new environmental alternative companies he supports. In fact, one of the reasons the Koch’s have been targeted for destruction and given the label “hypocrite” is because they compete with those green companies on K Street who also lobby the government for their piece of the collective pie. The difference is that none of them, I would venture, have ever tried to get our leaders in government to remove subsidies as Charles Koch has for decades.
There’s plenty of “hypocrisy to go around when it comes to politics. The Kochs are hnest about their politics and about taking subsidies. if they could garner enough backing from the American people the subsidies, including their own, would be GONE!
The problem is not the companies who receive subsidies and spend to influence decision makers in government. The problem is that our leaders are corrupt. They take the money and then instead of doing what is in the best interest of the nation as a whole, return favors in the form of beneficial legislation. The thing that must stop is corruption in government!
“How can this even be stopped when money can purchase power so directly…”
We have voices that can be used to expose the problem but before we can be effective we must be clear about where the problem resides. Dewey you complain about the Kochs but I’ve never heard you mention companies like Solyndra or unions like the teachers union or the SEIU who also lobby and spend vast sums of money for favors.
Your compliant is partisan and the fact that you willingly join in the left’s vicious game of personal attack and destruction proves it.
Our readers can access information about various industries and the government assistance or subsidies they receive through Institute for Energy Research, another Koch operation. Of interest is the amount in subsidies that various energy industries received in the period 2009 to 2012. Oil, gas and coal received $1.69 billion; renewable energy companies received $27.05 billion with another $13.95 billion for “energy conservation.” The subsidies earned by coal were awarded only when certain hoops were jumped through: “…to projects certified by the Secretary of Energy after a competitive bidding process…eligible plants must reduce SO2 and mercury emissions below a certain level. ”
Direct loans, another method for redistribution, to Solyndra amounted to $535 millon. Solyndra went belly up and the taxpayer was on the hook for all of it. This wasn’t the only green energy debacle either. Other green companies went bankrupt and some of the money was funneled to China, another Dewey bugaboo.
I’d be happy to discuss SS but we’ve spoken before about Social Security. You refuse to see the benefits to every working American that reforms would bring, which means you are willing for our massive debt to continue to rise. It means you are willing for our government to collapse when there aren’t enough people still working to sustain our bloated bureaucracy never mind the entitlement programs. It means you have been thoroughly brainwashed by progressive elites who want to keep you dependent on our corrupt government.
Social Security and Medicare taxes are paid by employers and employees. Employers pay half. Koch industries pays half of all SS and Medicare taxes for 60,000 employees. Our corrupt government “borrows” that money and writes IOU’s. SS (And medicare) debt is one of the major drivers of our national debt. We will become a debtor nation like Greece if we continue down this road. The reforms suggested by Charles Koch and CATO would benefit all working Americans. Most reform suggestions include the option of remaining on the government plan which offers a poor return for all of the money invested and places future generations in jeopardy.
If IRA’s and defined benefit plans are safe for our leaders and government unions, why are they not safe for Mr. and Ms working American?
Tina slams Dewey’s vile mouth very nicely.
There are several grammatical errors in the above article but there is another error which is unclear with respect to meaning. I wrote:
“It mirrors tactics used by the Nazi’s when they targeted the Jews and the mob in America.”
The Nazi’s didn’t target the mob.
What I meant to write is, “It mirrors tactics used by the Nazi’s when they targeted the Jews and tactics used by the mob in America to coerce and intimidate for power and control.”
Many Americans hate the Koch’s and they don’t really know why.
It took me a second to parse that sentence, Tina, but I got it. It’s actually not grammatically incorrect, it just needed a comma between “Jews” and “and the mob in America” to make it more clear.
Also, just a sidenote: “Nazis” and “Kochs” in your sentences above don’t need apostrophes, since they’re plurals, not possessives.
Thanks Chris.
Chris is half-right. He is correct about the plural form not needing an apostrophe, but he is completely wrong about adding a comma between “Jews and the mob” in America. That would make it a compound sentence, like the one you just read, and thereby requiring its own active verb. I suppose being half-right is fitting for a half-wit.
— Soaps, Ph.D., English, University of California 1974
Soaps, you’re right. Despite being an English teacher, grammar has never been my strong suit. I actually give extra credit to my students when they correct my grammar. Thanks for the correction.
Re Tina : “Dewey you complain about the Kochs but I’ve never heard you mention companies like Solyndra or unions like the teachers union or the SEIU who also lobby and spend vast sums of money for favors.”
Nor have I ever seen Dewey or Chris heap scorn on George Soros. Democrats love to deceive. They pose as if they are the defenders of the underdog, minorities, and the poor, yet they court the wealthy and have more top donors than Republicans. Blatant hypocrisy and demonizing wealth and business is no stranger to the left.
“To begin to devise a counter-strategy, to expose their hypocrisy and impugn their character and neutralize their attacks, you have to ask yourself this question: How is it that Democrats liberals and socialists can pose as defenders of the poor?
“Obama has created more poor people than all the presidents since World War II put together. Today, forty-seven million Americans are on food stamps and 100 million on government handouts. In Democrat monopolies like Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Washingon DC and a dozen other major urban blight areas, liberal socialists have damaged and destroyed the lives of more African Americans than all the Republicans since the creation of the Republic. Yet every four years – and in between – they are able to persuade voters that they are defenders of minorities and the poor.
“How do they do it? Not by actually helping minorities and the poor, but by attacking the rich. They portray rich people as the enemies of minorities and the poor who refuse to pay their fare share. They demonize wealth. That is what allows them to pretend they are friends of the poor.”
David Horowitz – Fight Fire With Fire
The profit to “big oil” is around 8 cents a gallon, the taxes comprise around 60 cents per gallon. Who is the gouging whom?
Average breakdown based on $3,00 per gallon.
Gasoline Retailer 1 cent per gallon
Oil Company 8 cents per gallon
Refining 29 cents per gallon
Marketing/Distribution 32 cents per gallon
Taxes 59 cents per gallon
Cost of crude $1.71 per gallon (delivered)
Please note that the above gallon of gas breakdown DOES NOT INCLUDE taxes collected from each of the elements (businesses) involved. We should be praising our energy suppliers for a job well done, not demonizing them with political bull**** from Democrats and the left.
“How do they do it? Not by actually helping minorities and the poor, but by attacking the rich.”
They play two cards. The rich is one card and the evil republican/christian “racists” and “bigots” is the other.
Nice job on oil company profits as opposed to government profits from oil. I’ve posted these numbers before. The response from our left posters? Crickets!
Rigid adherence to socialist ideals is pretty much impenetrable even when common sense, factual information, or comparative examples are offered. I often wonder if some of them have ever bothered to doubt or question their beliefs.
Chris seeks to make this thread about me, Dewey goosesteps to his handler’s propaganda. Expect more of the same in 2016. Rats are nothing if not tenacious in their twisted beliefs and world views. A Marxist is a Marxist is a Marxist.
In the meantime our king must travel in style at the taxpayer’s expense.
https://web.mail.comcast.net/service/home/~/?auth=co&loc=en_US&id=58049&part=2
Dewey is so off base on his Koch agenda it’s laughable. There are much bigger contributors that donate to the Democrats, but they don’t fit his agenda, so he’d rather pretend they don’t exist.
It turns out the ‘Evil’ Koch Bros. are only the 59th biggest donors in American politics. Can you guess who is number one?:
“Charles and David Koch are the two most evil people in American politics, right? We know that because Jane Mayer proved it with her landmark “Covert Operations” tour de liberal force in 2010.
Well, it turns out that Mayer’s aim was off just a little, by like 58 slots on the all-time biggest donors in American politics list, as compiled by OpenSecrets.org.
OpenSecrets.org tallied the top donors in federal elections between 1989 and 2014. Koch Industries — privately owned by the Evil Koch Bros — is on the list, to be sure, but doesn’t appear until the 59th slot, with $18 million in donations, 90 percent of which went to Republicans.
So who occupies the 58 spots ahead of the Evil Koch Bros? Six of the top 10 are … wait for it … unions. They gave more than $278 million, with most of it going to Democrats.
These are familiar names: AFSCME ($60.6 million), NEA ($53.5 million), IBEW ($44.4 million), UAW ($41.6 million), Carpenters & Joiners ($39.2 million) and SEIU ($38.3 million).
In other words, the six biggest union donors in American politics gave 15 times more to mostly Democrats than the Evil Koch Bros.
So, if money is the measure of evil in American politics and the Evil Koch Bros only come in 59th, who is really the most evil donor ever?
Turns out it’s Act Blue, with just short of $100 million in contributions during its lifetime, which only started in 2004, 15 years after the Evil Koch Bros in the OpenSecrets.org compilation.
Any bets on when Mayer’s “Covert Operations II: Act Blue” will appear in the New Yorker?”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/it-turns-out-the-evil-koch-bros.-are-only-the-59th-biggest-donors-in-american-politics.-can-you-guess-who-is-number-one/article/2544025
Peggy, our readers should know what Act Blue is. More here:
Looks like Act Blue exists for the sole purpose of funneling money to leftist politicians and campaigns. As far as I can tell by looking at their site, they do all politics all the time.
Wikipedia lists Act Blue as a not-for-profit organization that is “open to all registered Democratic campaigns, candidates and 501c4 organizations.”
Outside the Beltway lists the three most likely 501c designations:
I couldn’t find the not for profit designation for Act Blue. I have to assume they are a 527.
It seems to me that this could be a site that would make it easy to get around contribution laws without much scrutiny, but that’s just an opinion based on nothing more than suspicion of the political process which seems to be rife with fraud and deceit. Placing Act Blue at the top of the list is a bit sketchy since they funnel money from many sources rather on behalf of themselves, but the service they perform is definitely political and definitely tied to the left.
I was curious if George Soros was involved with Act Blue and it turns out he was/is even though they originally denied he was. I found these from 2010 and 2013.
Dem on-line fundraiser ActBlue “lies” when they say Soros never gave them money:
“A couple of weeks ago I did a post on ActBlue, the number one on-line fund-raising website for Dems. ActBlue is actually a “conduit” for Dems to fundraise and now has partnered with Kos and according to this tweet raised $1.3 million in one day alone. To date ActBlue has raised over $146 million for Dem candidates. There is a candidate directory where one can find the candidate of your choosing, and supposedly donate directly to that candidate. I want again to be perfectly clear: not every Dem candidate is on this directory, but it is by CHOICE and the candidate MUST sign up on the site to fundraise.
In the post mentioned above I tried to draw a direct link from George Soros to ActBlue, meaning he had donated to them. The Secretary of State Project, of which Soros was one of the founders, gave $7500 to ActBlue in this election cycle. The Secretary of State Project also uses ActBlue to fundraise for them according to their website. My theory at the time was ActBlue, their candidates, and Soros were “in bed” with each other by a “couple degrees of separation” but at the time couldn’t find a direct link.”
Continued..
http://www.redstate.com/diary/ladyimpactohio/2010/10/06/dem-on-line-fundraiser-actblue-lies-when-they-say-soros-never-gave-them-money/
I’m not informed on campaign finance at all. But, I’m reading “Stealing America” by Dinesh D’Souza and find the comparison of one man who admitted he broke the law when he gave $20k to a college friend’s campaign and served 8 months of confinement, while certain individuals are able to donate thousands more by using backdoor venues suffer no legal ramifications.
Soros also tied to the IRS witch hunt of the Tea party, conservative and religious groups.
Soros Gave $6.1 Million to Groups Linked to Pressure on IRS to Target Conservative Nonprofits: 2013
“As IRS efforts targeting politically-conservative groups gained momentum, George Soros-funded liberal groups repeatedly called on the IRS to investigate conservative nonprofit organizations.
While the first reported instances of extra IRS scrutiny for conservative groups began in Cincinnati in March of 2010, the attacks began to pick up steam on a national level soon after Soros-funded groups began firing off letters to the IRS in October of that year – following the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling.”
http://cnsnews.com/blog/mike-ciandella/soros-gave-61-million-groups-linked-pressure-irs-target-conservative-nonprofits
Definitive guide to George Soros’ is at Discover the Networks.
See a list of the organizations he helped found and/or supported here.
ActBlue isn’t on the list but as you have said some of these organizations funnel money through ActBlue.
Hiding campaign donations in this way is a big deceitful scheme that’s been going on for some time. I imagine even if we could open the books we would not be able to tally all of the money funneled into progressive causes and democrat campaigns by Soros.
The Kochs contributions are peanut shavings compared to Mr. Soros.
It was obvious that both ActBlue and Soros tried to hide the fact he was funding them. It was only because of the diligent digging by this investigative reporter that he was able to come up with the screen shot showing Soros was funding them.
Hopefully, someone will do the same with the Clinton Foundation and expose where their funds are coming from since the Foundation has changed it’s mind and is now refusing to disclose their contributors and amend their prior tax returns.
Hillary’s latest email dump includes one about Soros and his meetings with Hillary and his regrets in supporting Obama in the 2008 primary.
Clinton emails: Billionaire Soros said he regretted backing Obama:
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/264542-liberal-billionaire-soros-told-clinton-ally-he-regrets-backing-obama
Just so there is no confusion, all I submitted were the links to this interview in Post Scripts’ Zuckerberg comment thread and suggested it get front page status. The words are all Tina’s and I concur and agree with everything she has said in her post.
Chris seeks to hang me on an earlier comment in another thread I made about the horrid Dewey (which was rightly redacted by Post Scripts and for which I have apologized to Tina and Jack) and make this about me.
My hunch is that neither Chris or his lackey Dewey have actually watched the complete interview.
I meant to thank you for your understanding, vow for 2016, and apology. Good man. You have my support for 2016, you are the best in calm mode 😉
Glad the Koch article pleased you.
To stave off confusion I should have written, “links submitted by Pie,” instead of making it look like you wrote or found and endorsed the full article in comments.
I apologize for not addressing be subject. To be honest I could care less about the Koch brothers, and whenever I see a liberal post an article about how evil they are I typically just scroll past it. To me they seem to have taken on a “bogeyman” stature on the left, similar to how George Soros is seen on the right. It’s boring and it seems like more a badge of tribal politics than a way to seriously address any particular issue. Both the Kochs and Soros have the right to use whatever legal means they have to change policy. I think both have some good points and both have some ideas that are pretty out there, but I don’t think either has quite as much control over politics as some accuse them of. I don’t know who spends more money, and I don’t really care; it won’t change how I feel about the necessity of changing campaign finance laws.
Re : “To be honest I could care less about the Koch brothers”
Honesty from you is refreshing.
It is a fool who does not realize just how much control all these political donors have. Their plan is available in writing for one to see.
Politicians even admit it. The gov is suppose to work for the people…. it does not. They are spending billions why? Because they get a huge return on these investments.
To accept this is anti Democracy. The SCOTUS decision was based off prior cases which are not accepted as correct. To watch these guys slowly change law and make buying out politicians legal, then passively just say it’s legal is laying down to the Oligarchy.
Chris you obviously have not followed the money. Regardless of your politics you owe it to yourself to see just how much these donors are spending and what they get in Return. The Koch’s Are not the only ones but they outspend most others. Koch even donates to several major universities with the agreement they can say who is hired and control what is taught. Their ideology is not supported by the Whole Country yet they buy the power to dictate to 100% of the citizens. Furthermore they write laws to increase profit with no regard for human life. We are talking billions over time here.
The amount of Koch money in local and state elections is astronomical. People talk about States rights and the ability of people to elect their own but it is undermined by a network setup at the Koch Summits. This is dictatorship by the elite. Anybody who cares about America as a whole needs to follow all the big donors Soros included.
Here in DC everybody has a lobbyist except the people. Laws are written by ALEC and orgs for corporate profit over the freedom and rights of people.
Time for politicians to wear the corporate sponsor patches like a nascar driver. They represent their sponsors not their constituency. They pitch bad law to the people for their donors profits. And most of them Dem or Rep pitch removing our constitutional rights.
The fascism playbooks of the past are written yet the people of the US can not see us follow down the same path?
Come spend some time out here on the east and you will see the dirty truths od corruption. Both parties are corrupted and it is an alternative universe these politicians live it. They are detached from the real people of this country.
Real people are rising. In the end we must stay united. They divide and conquer. Talk policy not people. Make all these politicians talk policy not just have a dog and pony show.
They look for cases to take to SCOTUS to widdle away the constitutional rights of the people. By law profit is more important than human life in many areas.
” Their plan is available in writing for one to see. ”
Some kind of “manifesto,” no doubt, using the UN as a vehicle. I’m aware of the plans. I’m just not convinced they will overcome the American people any time soon, if ever. Freedom is also powerful force.
“To accept this is anti Democracy. The SCOTUS decision was based off prior cases which are not accepted as correct. ”
Our readers do not reside in your head, Dewey. If you are going to insert extraneous information, like that highlighted above, please explain more thoroughly.
“The Koch’s Are not the only ones but they outspend most others.”
Dewey this is a blatant lie. There are many others who outspend the Kochs and nearly ALL of them donate to Democrats who before 1994 held control of the House and Senate for over fifty years and wrote most of the offending laws! Your criticisms about money and crony favors are totally partisan and completely ill-informed.
“Their ideology is not supported by the Whole Country…”
Their ideology IS closer to the ideology that framed our Constitution, and imminently more in line with personal freedom, than anything you back. Bernie Sanders is an avowed socialist with ties to communist leaders and organizations in his past…you can’t get much further away from the ideals of this nation than that!
“…they write laws to increase profit with no regard for human life.”
What laws do you imagine they have bought, Dewey? You are never specific. All of the laws effecting the environment have been written and imposed by the left, so what the heck are you talking about?
We at PS don’t need to spend time in DC to see the corruption, we see it occurring on both sides of the aisle and say so.
I am also not willing to follow the left spin about who is responsible. Liberals love to make it the fault of big corporations, that takes the attention off of them! K street exists because of the odious regulations, taxes, and laws Congress passes. It is the politicians who write the laws for greater power and control…government control and THAT is fascism.
“Real people are rising”
All people are “real.”
But we who are staunchly behind the Constitution are rising and the Kochs are part of that rising. Bernie Sanders is on the march for fascism.
“Talk policy not people.”
The Kochs are people…how about YOU back off.
Social Security reform is policy that put some control over retirement tax/funds back in the hands of the worker and out of the general fund where its squandered by politicians ad translated to debt. (You don’t support it; you are for government control…fascism)
“By law profit is more important than human life in many areas.”
This is an opinion not backed up by law unless you can name one I’d say your full of beans.
People are capable of thinking profit is more important than people. American ideals give every person the freedom to work where his abilities are valued and compensated well OR find new skills to put them in that position. We are all free to make as much or as little as our choices and ambitions take us. Over the last seven years the big government ideals the President favors have blunted business in America and chased business away…unemployment is high and wages are low. That should tell you something, but…
As I’ve said before…you are one confused dude!