by Jack
Legislators on both sides of the isles are practically tripping over themselves in a stampede to pass more worthless ”feel good” gun laws in the wake of the Muslim terror attack in Orlando, Fl.
But, step aside from the herd and think for a moment. Tell me, how is it that in France, with all their restrictive gun laws, do terrorists routinely obtain and use the AK47 assault rifles against the disarmed population?
How could this be? The AK47 is an illegal weapon – nobody in France can own one. Did you hear that? Nobody can own one… period. Forget background checks, you can’t own this weapon. Yet, it is the weapon of choice by terrorists. And it is showing up quite frequently. The French have disarmed their population and they still have gun violence! But, lets say we could keep guns out of the country, what about improvised explosive devices made from common household products?
So, the old saying, “When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.” has never been more true than it is now in Europe. However, guns are not the only way to kill (pressure cooker bomb). But, this obsessive gun control laws are where we are headed, because liberals think the 2nd Amendment ought to be repealed and replaced with their gun laws.
Look at what this nutty law professor says about the 2nd Amendment:
“I teach the Constitution for a living. I revere the document when it is used to further social justice and make our country a more inclusive one. I admire the Founders for establishing a representative democracy that has survived for over two centuries.
But sometimes we just have to acknowledge that the Founders and the Constitution are wrong. This is one of those times. We need to say loud and clear: The Second Amendment must be repealed.” June 13, 2016 (Cohen is an attorney and assistant law professor at the Thomas R. Kline School of Law). This guy isn’t the only, we have many so called experts calling for your guns and they are indoctrinating your children!
Ironically, the President has virtually declared war on everything related to guns, gun owners, the NRA, etc., but he has yet to declare war on those doing the actual killing. He won’t even say the two words ”Muslim terrorist” in the same sentence, yet Islamic terrorists have killed Americans be the thousands from 9/11 on and cost us billions of dollars.
We need a real plan of action – Obama has none. Obama has failed us for almost 8 years and now we are about to elect another dufus just like him, Hillary the liar Clinton.
We’re in deep trouble folks…deep, deep, trouble.
Donald Trump today tweeted that he is meeting with the NRA to talk about making it illegal for people on the no fly list to buy guns.
Are you including him in your condemnation of those advocating for further gun laws?
“Ironically, the President has virtually declared war on everything related to guns, gun owners, the NRA, etc., but he has yet to declare war on those doing the actual killing.”
Mental. This is mental. We are at actual war with Muslim terrorists. You think a “virtual war” is more of a war than a real war. There is no reasoning with you.
“He won’t even say the two words ”Muslim terrorist” in the same sentence,”
And you know damn well why. You know damn well that Bush stopped using the same phrase for the same reasons. And I know damn well that you will never address that, nor will you rebut the national security experts who same calling them “Muslim terrorists” legitimizes them while refusing that term insults them; you will just keep repeating this ignorant sound bite over and over again, and your ignorant target audience will cheer and send you a virtual high five.
It’s so tacky.
Bush was wrong, so is Obama, and so are some so-called national security “experts.” Calling Muslim Terrorists “Muslim Terrorists” neither legitimizes them nor does refusing to use that term insult them. Using it or not using it does not make a goddamn bit of difference as the attacks in Europe and no Orlando attest to. Idiot.
Hmmm, Trump may have a good idea here. If a person is considered to dangerous to fly or is on the terror watch list, it is reasonable to assume they are too dangerous to be allowed to purchase firearms.
“… you will just keep repeating this ignorant sound bite over and over again, and your ignorant target audience will cheer and send you a virtual high five. ”
F*** you. You are such a tacky jerk, Piss.
“Using it or not using it does not make a goddamn bit of difference as the attacks in Europe and no Orlando attest to. Idiot.”
So then if using it or not using it does not make a goddamn bit of difference, why are you not also calling Jack and Tina “idiots” for insisting that it is crucial we use the term?
Is it because you’re a giant hypocrite?
From else where on the web—
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/15/bigots-no-heroes-u-s-gun-owners-everywhere-offering-free-shooting-lessons-to-gays/?singlepage=true
(Warning–some strong language in this one)
https://leshunky1.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/enough-already/
“… but he has yet to declare war on those doing the actual killing.”
Those doing the actual killing are a 29-year-old security guard, and citizen of this country, who is already dead. Who are we supposed to declare war on?
That was rhetoric, but you ought to get the point. You beat your chest, tear your hair, and make wild florishes on the keyboard, but what are we supposed to do that isn’t already being done?
Here’s something to ponder. Why do you get so much more worked up over this than over our very own white boys shooting up theaters and elementary schools and college campuses? What’s that about?
Libby is it possible for you to mock my intentions any worse? I think not. You try to reduce this constant threat of homicidal rage by Muslims on Americans to the simplest of equations, paraphrasing….”Oh, (tee hee) it was just one guy and he’s dead, who are we supposed to declare war on?”
How utterly ridiculous and foolish for you to pose it that way. Why should I even bother to reply to such silliness?
You know its not about one guy. And you know Obama is always going after the wrong people, namely US gun owners. He seems far more concerned about them or cops, than he is about actual threats from Islamic terrorists. I’ve yet to hear him be as tough on Muslim terrorists, two words he wont say. Oh, wait, you didn’t say Muslim terrorists either did you? No, but you did say he was a 29 security guard! You did say he was a citizen of this country! Oh very nice details Libby, good to know, but you conveniently left out the part where he was a radical Muslim from immigrant Muslim parents. That he had been self-radicalized on the internet by following the teachings of the Imam Anwar Al Alaki, also a Muslim – also a US citizen, and now also dead! And you forgot to mention how he called 911 and said he was pledging his allegiance to ISIS!
Funny how could insert so much detail about the shooter in Florida up to a point and then omit all the uncomfortable, but pertinent details? It just shows your true colors Libby. We got your number. I more than clear, you have no interest whatsoever of lifting a finger to protect your country from Muslim extremism and terrorism.
You would rather kibitz and mock those who do see the danger and who desperately want to do something to save this country. What a shame and what an awful statement about yourself. But, its a free country, for now, so why not enjoy it while you can. If the Muslim extremists had their way you would already be dead.
Jack, You just wasted five paragraphs. We cant go forward with this until you answer my question. What are we supposed to do that isn’t already being done?
I’m very happy with our efforts to date. We ARE persecuting the fundamentalists with our special forces and our drones. We ARE NOT engaged in a proxy war with Russia over Syria. We are, in fact, very busy. You just won’t see it.
And, for the hundred and twelve millionth time, nobody is going to take … the guns you already have. But this AR, high capacity shit. I think we may be gonna put a stop to that. Anybody who needs that kind of fire power to get his deer is no hunter. You clowns can get yourselves some VR goggles, and get your rocks off virtually.
Jack: “He seems far more concerned about them or cops, than he is about actual threats from Islamic terrorists. I’ve yet to hear him be as tough on Muslim terrorists, two words he wont say.”
Yes, the numbers of gun owners and police officers Obama has had killed via drone strike are truly astounding.
But go ahead and keep up this obsession with words.
“Those doing the actual killing are a 29-year-old security guard, and citizen of this country, who is already dead. Who are we supposed to declare war on?”
How many months now have we been hearing about loan wolf jihadists being the next front in the war?
So this “citizen,” whose name came up twice as a person of interest, was taken off the watch list. A citizen who wouldn’t have been taken off the list if this administration hadn’t shred intelligence information had been more diligent about connecting the dots. That information would have connected him to Imam Anwar Al Alaki, the same radical voice that recruited the San Bernardino terrorist. This guy was a citizen of Muslim heritage, within the target age group, who worked in security and, I would hope, had to pass security clearance. Where was the ball dropped on this guy…and why? And if this government knows it’s facing radicalized lone wolf attackers why aren’t the Mosques being quietly surveilled…connect the dots, connect the dots…remember? One of these guys is going to end up with a chemical bomb or worse. Do you trust this administration gives a fig? I don’t. They will do as they have always done…blame someone or something else…the right wing, gun owners, the sun was in their eyes, the dog ate their homework….
100+ people in Orlando would be better off today IF this administration had endeavored in this war to get this loan wolf before he attacked the gay bar in Orlando. Some of those (brown) people would be alive today if the president didn’t constantly signal that reporting suspicious activity or noticing radical speech from a Muslim neighbor or colleague will target you as a racist, Islamophobe.
The president wages war stupidly; the evidence is splattered, scattered and shattered all over the world.
It was the Obama Administration that set the threshold that led to the terrorist being taken off the list.
“A citizen who wouldn’t have been taken off the list if this administration hadn’t shred intelligence information”
Please prove this claim.
Oh, and churches. I forgot churches.
So please be clear your position is people on the terrorist list should be able to buy AK? AR’s?
Now I heard they are trying to make it so they have to go to court for someone on the list to be banned since the lists need to be addressed.
So given we make sure The person on the list is vetted as an actual threat you are saying they should be able to buy assault weapons?
Crazy RW White men have committed most mass murder here in the US.
And about Orlando…… I am not buying this crap from FBI
Omar worked for Q4s one of the most controversial International security companies. Coworkers reported him to FBI. He may have been Bipolar. His wife knew he wanted to do attack.
Yet the FBI had no profile on him that alarmed them? YEA RIGHT BS
“Crazy RW White men have committed most mass murder here in the US.”
White, probably, since America has been mostly white for most of its existence…thats like saying mostly brown people have committed mass murders in Mexico.
Crazy, yes. (But see American Thinker below)
Right-wing, wrong.
The American Thinker sheds some light on the matter. We used to remove the crazy people from the community, caring for them where they couldn’t harm people or themselves. Also, most murders that occur in the US occur in bastions of left-wing leadership and are gun free zones:
Now if you want to go world wide to look for causes of mass murder, you might consider Atheism/Communism:
More here.
Now don’t you feel a bit silly.
BTW someone watches too much fox news
BTW, some snotty, juvenile, smart ass jackass who frequents Post Script keeps making stupid, derisive remarks about Fox News and people who watch it.
There is a reason Fox News is the most watched news channel on cable. There is a reason its rating soar while everone else is in the dumper, Dupester.
Yes, the same reason Two and a Half Men was the most watched sitcom and there is going to be a fifth Transformers movie. The reason is not “quality.”
There is a reason fox won a lawsuit saying they could lie cause it’s infotainment. There is a reason Laws were changed to allow a station owned by a foreign propaganda magazine mogul with with Saudi price as a 10% shareholder is allowed on US TV.
Being the most watched makes it true? LOL Even Bilbo has been busted for his stupid lies about his career!
Bill Clinton holds some responsibility for news being a propaganda machine.
By Law it is OK to Lie in the news it is no longer mandated to be for the public service. Clinton – telecommunications act
READ IT!
Clinton is a Republican who also did NAFTA, signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which repealed some of the provisions of the Glass-Steagall Act.
Know your facts. Know your history.
Fox news is a well known propaganda source. CNN is the Clinton News Network. MSNBC is now the Comcast Network.
It is a fool who believes the MSM.
The real world is out there. Try it. All documented and easy to find.
Sorry pie but anyone can debunk Fox.
I only have a minute so I won’t address what has been discussed so far at this time. But I have to address this because it tells us all we need to know about today’s so called intellectual Constitutional professors and what they have been teaching our citizens in college, quote:
He doesn’t revere the document when it is used to protect individual rights, especially the one right we were given to protect us from tyrants or for self defense?
The left has no grounding in the notion of individual liberty…only special groups have rights and then only if they are in the right group…that’s social justice. Some pigs are more equal than others…fool
One or two armed and trained people in that club could have taken out the terrorist before he did so damn much damage…a man whose name should have been on a terror watch list, except that this administration ordered the information shredded, would have been stopped! A Marine did manage to help a few people escape…but he was unarmed. What a pity.
We don’t think this through. Armed, inebriated twenty-somethings?
Bad idea.
Besides, there was armed security at the club. It’s my understanding that he confronted but did not shoot Omar, drove Omar back into the club, and initiated the two hour hostage stand-off.
Armed everybody will solve everything, my butt.
Think you got the story wrong Libby, but its early and your version may be right, but I’ve read other versions that were completely different. Arming everybody is NOT what has been suggested. However, if there had been a couple of people carrying guns who were trained how to use them, its quite possible the carnage would have been much less. A point you’ll never admit. It might also have been much less if the people reacted with a hail of glasses, bottles, chairs, tables and rushed the shooter. Laying on the floor pretending to be dead wound up being exactly the wrong thing to do. Right after the Paris shootings experts all over warned people, do something, don’t just try to hide under a table or play dead – do something! So your butt is safe this time Libby, we’re not looking to arm everybody.
And we’re never going to get the straight story now, which is annoying. You coppers cover each other’s butts to a degree damaging to the state.
You are also having an unrealistic assessment of human nature. Once he had stopped shooting, I expect his hostages were very, very anxious that he not start again. As long as he didn’t, the stand off would hold.
P.S.: His hostages were supposed to rip the toilets off the floor and toss them?
Tina have you even realized it is probable the Armed Police actually probably took out a few people. Do you watch? They all had a shoot out this was not a surgical extraction. I suggest the Orlando police could have done better but will refrain as this is Florida they will never tell us the facts.
So now we want some people we do not know to start shooting too? THINK
Last thing I want is some RW gun nutjob to add to the confusion. Unless you have an Ar-15 to start you are no help. Then we have 2 people with AR-15’s in a shooting spree in a club and more people live?
THINK
Tina: “…a man whose name should have been on a terror watch list, except that this administration ordered the information shredded, would have been stopped!”
Why do you keep telling this lie?
As I explained to you, people on the terror watch list can legally buy guns.
Do you believe we need a new gun law to stop people on the terror watch list from buying guns?
Also, where is your proof that Obama “ordered the information shredded?”
I think it’s insane that people on the terror watch list wouldn’t be flagged and cross referenced with other gathered information to at least alert the authorities that someone might be plotting an attack…don’t YOU!
That did not answer my question.
OMG all you do is Blame Obama … This is becoming scary if you believe this crap. Hate Obama gets votes, but why is that? The problem needs to be addressed. RACE
They race bait for votes and people actually believe this crap? No you know better and that is why you sidestep.
If you care about America than you will cut it out.
“Nearly a year ago to the day, on June 15 of last year, the deranged Dylan Roof entered Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston South Carolina, opened fire and killed 9 people, all of them black Americans. Not fifty. Nine.
Shortly after that tragic massacre, photos began surfacing on the internet of Roof with a Confederate flag. Once those pictures began circulating, the left in America lost its collective mind. People began defacing statutes and other historic monuments, in the face of relentless pressure some such monuments -pieces that speak to the actual history of our nation- were taken down.
The government of the state of South Carolina likewise succumbed to pressure, removed the Confederate flag and ceased flying it over the capital building as did multiple cities across the south. Confederate flags were pulled off store shelves and internet e-tail sites and if you were unlucky enough to be spotted with a sticker of that red flag on the bumper of your car, you were likely to be verbally assaulted, called all sorts of ugly names, and quite possibly worse.
Now in the wake of a 50-person slaughtering at the hands of a jihad-bent Islamic maniac, will the left in America begin calling for mosques to be torn down? If the government does not begin the process of their removal will they begin defacing them, spray-painting the sides, tearing them down or doing as much damage to them via their own devices as possible? Will there be protests in which noted politically left groups and individuals burn the black ISIS flag or the flag of Afghanistan (the national origin of the shooter’s parents.) Will there be any protests at all?
Or, instead of the protests and outrage that Mr. Roof’s atrocity solicited, will there be calls for understanding, will these same people who were so incensed at the shooting of nine perfectly innocent people excuse away this senseless loss of life and call for us not to judge all by the actions of one?”
However, it is more convenient for the anti gun people to place blame on a tool verse the fool. Those fools will attempt to achieve their terrorist ways on our soil, using whatever means available, remember there where no guns involved in 9-11, but air planes still fly, case cutters are still sold, but that serves no purpose for Liberal gun haters , they hate guns and they feel we all should, well responsible gun owners think they are entitled to our freedom of ownership, be it for personal defense or sport, no matter the type, style or color, guns by themselves are not the problem.
but that matters not to liberals, it do as they say, freedom of choice is not relevant to their thinking, just more Governmental control.
And Yes , just one qualified gun owner inside the club could have prevented so many of the deaths this jihadist Isis follower caused.
Harold, that’s a ridiculous comparison. The Confederacy existed for the primary purpose of advancing slavery and keeping white supremacy. The states were very clear on that in their declarations of secession. There are almost no “Confederates” today. Islam is one of the world’s three largest religions, still followed by over a billion people. You can’t compare mosques to Confederate flags; it doesn’t make any sense.
I’m tellin’ ya, these people are seriously cracking up.
Harold, no more posting about mosque burning … unless you want to give your local field agent a little something to do, for a change.
To Chris, no its a fair assessment of Obamas and Liberal policy. One sided irony, but a fair comparison never the less .
As to Libby, To close to home for you. it was stated
‘Will the Left’, which are your people, nanny Government control types, react as knee jerk about Mosques as they did with the Confederate flags.
I doubt it, there was no reason for the flag to be blamed or to be removed from buildings any more than the need to react to a Mosque in a negative manner.
And while we’re at it, you need to stop the hateful message about burning things down, because it is you who said burn them, yes YOU!.. my post only made a reference to the difference in current political practice of how the Liberal Left uses tragedies.
However I do believe your “burn” comment does reflect your hidden desire to impeach another’ posts with misdirection and falsehoods. You might be careful, it could be construed as your coded message by those field agents, a sick message that you are putting out, Like Jack mentions in another post, it only takes one crazy to pick up on a comment.
Sadly, the Left never seems to let a tragedy go to waste politically. Attack anything the left does not like, those are your methods .
My post is all about symbolism and making a tragedy work for the lefts hatred of anything they disagree with.
You know it, you practice it, and readers see through it.
The Confederate flag had no more a physical involvement in the 9 murdered at the church than a Mosque has to do with the 49 in Orlando, unless you Liberals spin it that way.
You can be a such a negative person,
All 3 of you lib’s that post here of late just chant the same mantra, “if we respect them they will respect us as well”
Well stop using your head for more than just a Hat rack. The junior league as Obama called them have declared war on the western culture, he does not seem to grasp it, and I doubt you will either.
OMG
The confederate Flag had many varieties 3 or 4 I think. The chosen flag was a sign of treason in the name of slavery.
Why does no one here just say it. RACE is a problem.
Comparing a mosque to the real reason people hang on to the treason flag is INSANITY
Just say it….. stop trying to justify
Those flags were celebrating Treason in the name of slavery. PERIOD
20 replies and still Jack and Tina have not answered my question in comment 1.
I’ll try again:
Donald Trump tweeted that he is meeting with the NRA to talk about making it illegal for people on the no fly list to buy guns.
Are you including him in your condemnation of those advocating for further gun laws?
Donald Trump tweeted he is meeting to talk.
Arguably all that we have a this point is a bunch of talk.
What is the big deal?
I am 100% certain it would be a “big deal” to you if any liberal politician had tweeted the exact same thing.
Do you believe we need a new gun law to stop people on the no fly list from buying guns, Tina? I asked you this previously, but you responded by changing the subject.
Chris, the now retired intelligence guy who gathered the research and was told to shred it is the source of the information. You can choose not to believe him if you want. I think it’s consistent with the Obama policy to purge all references to Islam, Muslims, jihad and terrorism from the lexicon. Those words were removed from training manuals for all security and law enforcement in the US as well. We posted about that aspect of his policy early in his first term.
Tina: “I think it’s consistent with the Obama policy to purge all references to Islam, Muslims, jihad and terrorism from the lexicon.”
Why do you tell such ridiculous lies?
Obama has never purged the word “terrorism” from the lexicon. You know it. I know it. Your readers know it. So why did you say this?
The other words are rarely used in connection with terrorism because they are part of the language of the enemy. ISIS uses these words to recruit and legitimize their murder and terror. It was decided under the Bush administration to move away from these words. Obama has taken that a step further, but that in no way lends credence to the claim that he had documents shredded which would point to threats from specific individuals.
I’m not talking about what is said to the public. I am talking about the terms that are not allowed in the lexicon when the FBI talks with Homeland Security or the CIA or your local sheriff. I’m talking about training manuals for new recruits or transfers, people who work in the security divisions.
Breitbart:
Counter Jihad Report:
FrontPage Magazine:
Believe whatever you want Chris.
“I’m not talking about what is said to the public. I am talking about the terms that are not allowed in the lexicon when the FBI talks with Homeland Security or the CIA or your local sheriff. I’m talking about training manuals for new recruits or transfers, people who work in the security divisions.”
Yes, and the claim that the word “terrorism” has been removed from training manuals is a lie. There’s no way I’m going to read that whole wall of text, as I’m sure absolutely none of it supports this lie.
So, I tracked down the work of the nefarious Mr. Ackerman. He is a pistol, and been sacked for it more than once. However, if you choose to look, the leaked training materials are available in the article. This is my favorite bit:
“Several of these briefings were the work of a single author: an FBI intelligence analyst named William Gawthrop. In 2006, before he joined the Bureau, he gave an interview to the website WorldNetDaily, and discussed some of the themes that made it into his briefings, years later. The Prophet “Muhammad’s mindset is a source for terrorism,” Gawthrop told the website, which would later distinguish itself as a leader of the “birther” movement, a conspiracy theory that denies President Obama’s American citizenship.
“At the time, Gawthrop’s major suggestion for waging the war on terrorism was to attack what he called “soft spots” in Islamic faith that might “induce a deteriorating cascade effect upon the target.” That is, to discredit Islam itself and cause Muslims to abandon their religion. “Critical vulnerabilities of the Koran, for example, are that it was uttered by a mortal,” he said. Alas, he lamented, he faced the bureaucratic obstacle of official Washington’s “political taboo of linking Islamic violence to the religion of Islam,” according to the website.”
“Back then, however, Gawthrop didn’t work for the FBI. He had recently stepped down from a position with the Defense Department’s Counterintelligence Field Activity. That agency came under withering criticism during the Bush administration for keeping a database about threats to military bases that included reports on peaceful antiwar protesters and dovish Church groups. It is unclear how Gawthrop came to work for the FBI.”
“Through an intermediary, Gawthrop told Danger Room that he was unavailable for comment before our deadline.”
*****
The article is also fun in that it leaves one with the distinct impression that the upper realms of FBI bureaucracy had no idea this was going on and squelched it immediately upon exposure.
Successful counter-terrorism is a battle for hearts and minds you will not win by vilifying the prophet. So we’re not going to do it.
Salon is on a tear this morning:
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/17/the_ar_15_has_to_go_sorry_jon_stokes_but_your_toy_isnt_more_important_than_peoples_lives/
YOU CAN”T DECLARE WAR AGAINST an IDEOLOGY
Turn off the TV it is not doing you any favors
You know there was never any such thing as Al Queida right? All CIA created and that is the truth.
Why do you think John McCain is posing with terrorists in that picture?
Tina THINK
The people who are dealing with the intel have a bit more qualifications to write and deal with the training manuals.
You continuously repost others propaganda. Paid pundits ect.
The Pentagon CIA ect are the advisors and you act like Obama is some dude after you.
Obama is a wall street New Dem which means old school Republican who has done good and bad.
His biggest threat to us is these trade deals to which were started under GW and this strike about to happen in Syria. He has dranken the Trade and Military Industrial Complex Kool-aide
I am fighting him on this
But this RW silly crap is counterproductive
Obama not gonna git ur guns nor is he a secret Muslim coming for your country
He is a Wall Street Corporatist, He is doing republicans well in the war setup