Posted by Tina
I was anxious to read about the first meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and President Trump after watching their photo-op introduction. Trump and Putin squared off with equal presence at first but I noticed Putin lowering his eyes at times and physically deferring slightly to Trump. Their private meeting apparently went on for a few hours. Clearly they had important things to discuss.
The best article I found featured a Tucker Carlson interview with 78 year old professor emeritus Stephen Cohen, Ph.D., an avowed liberal with connections to The Nation whose expertise is Russia. He teaches Russian studies at Princeton University and New York University. His opinion on the meeting was aligned with many on the right, it was the “Most Important Summit since World War II” (Full video at the American Thinker link above) Noted excerpt:
Tucker Carlson: Professor, the first thing you notice is just how much the press is rooting for this meeting between our president and the Russian president to fail. Why would they want it to fail?
Stephen Cohen: It’s a kind of pornography. Just as there is no love in pornography, there is no national interest in this bashing of Trump and Putin. As a historian, let me tell you the headline I would write instead, about what we witnessed today in Hamburg. “Potentially New Historic Detente Anti-Cold War Partnership Begun by Trump and Putin but Meanwhile Attempts to Sabotage It Escalate.”
You said I was an expert. I actually do have one expertise. I’ve seen a lot of summits, as we call meetings between American and Russian presidents. I was present at some, and even participated in the first George Bush’s summit preparation. When he met with Gorbachev, he invited me to Camp David to debate before his team.
In that context, I think what we saw today was potentially the most fateful meeting between an American and Russian president since the war time [WW II]. The reason is, is that the relationship with Russia is so dangerous and yet we have a president who might have been crippled or cowed by these Russiagate attacks on him, and yet he was not. He was, I think, politically courageous. It went well. They did important things. And this will be astonishing to be said, I know, but I think maybe today we witnessed President Trump emerging as an American statesman. I think it was a very good day for everybody.
Now if the left would back off on it’s private political war with Trump (and Russia) for a bit to see what these leaders can accomplish we might all be pleasantly surprised at the outcome.
“Stephen Cohen: It’s a kind of pornography. Just as there is no love in pornography, there is no national interest in this bashing of Trump and Putin.”
I’m not sure these two are in any way comparable … unless … Stephen has heard some of the obscenely salacious speculations being made about this … unique … meeting.
Giggle. Snort. Chortle.
And Stephen’s hope that this will make Russiagate go away is silly. At this point, Russiagate is a foregone conclusion. Flynn, and one or two other monkeys, will be convicted of idiocy. Donald will be found to have obstructed justice. But the sitting Congress will flatly refuse to do anything about it … unless … all this brouhaha takes 18 months, and, an entirely different Congress is sitting.
Lovely thought.
Yes Lib’s we see you are quite familiar wit “idiocy.”
Projecting again, are we?
The meeting was supposed to last for a half hour but instead went on for hours which is a good sign.
Despite the fact that there is no reason for the US and Russia to be enemies the mainstream media and the Demorats are doing everything they can to make that reality.
There is a reason for the US and Russia to be enemies. Russia attacked our country. Trump responded by encouraging and condoning the attack during the campaign, and continues to deny that Russia attacked our country, insult our intelligence agencies, and reward Putin for the attack. It is now clear that Trump puts Russia’s interests ahead of America’s.
Which administration put the US and Russia on such a dangerous path, Chris? Have you forgotten so soon?
US Russian relations deteriorated greatly during the Obama administration. His, and his state department’s, failures probably put more in motion than we citizens know. (not following through after that red line threat, for instance)
A new administration with a new diplomatic approach and a new military stance in world affairs are just what’s needed to stabilize the situation. It’s what we have and it can;t be any worse than BO, the most inept, the most irresponsible president in my lifetime regarding these matters.
You are a warmonger, Hillarycrat. Go back to your fake news.
People like you and your Demorat buddies are a much greater threat to this country than Putin.
If Putin helped Trump beat Hillary that was the greatest thing he could have possibly done for this country and the world.
Nonsense!
“Russia attacked our country.”
First of all this has not been proven. Three intelligence agancies said there was evidence although they have not stated what that evidence was. It was also made public that US intelligence has the ability to make their activities on the internet appear to be the work of other countries. Guess what, the Russians also have that ability. By the way, I have that ability. It is very easy to mask your identity and target someone else as the perpretrator by using proxy servers. I know this because I write networking software for a major networking company. Now…., if the Russians also have this capability why wouldn’t they bother to cover up their activities. Or, was it someone else that wanted everyone to believe it was the Russians. Who would do that? Look at who is trying to use this Russian connection nonsense to undermine the administration and I think you have your answer.
You said the Russians attacked the country. Seems to me whoever did the hacking hacked the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s email server. Yes they were in the country but I have difficulty saying that was an attack on our country since both were private servers, not government servers.
You also called this an attack. It is widely know that Obama meddled in Israel’s election. So Obama is guilty of attacking Israel? Actually I agree that he is guilty of this act, but it is more like misusing his office. If we want to blame the Russians for attacking “our country” we will have to make sure we are not “attacking” other countries. Seems to me we shut down North Korea’s internet for a while after the Sony hacking. I would be astonished if we weren’t also hacking any Russian computer that was accessible. That’s the game that is played. I guess the DNC and Hillary didn’t get the memo.
“Trump responded by encouraging and condoning the attack”
This is soooooo ridiculous. He made a joke. You are hurting your credibility by bringing this up.
“continues to deny that Russia attacked our country”
Now this is actually a lie. Even the anti Trump media is quoting Trump as saying it might have been the Russians. This was clearly a topic of discussion with Putin. Why would he bring it up if he was convinced it had no merit?
“It is now clear that Trump puts Russia’s interests ahead of America’s.”
What a totally stupid statement! This is the kind of statement you throw out in desperate hope of doing some damage when you know you have (and are) totally lost. Evidence…. where is the evidence? All you have are tin foil hat scenarios and pure fiction theories. A year later there is no evidence only innuendo.
MCS:
First of all this has not been proven. Three intelligence agancies said there was evidence although they have not stated what that evidence was.
Those three agencies were the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA.
We also now know, thanks to the e-mails released by Don Jr., that the Trump campaign was aware that the Russian government supported Trump and was willing to meet with Russian government agents to obtain damaging info about Hillary. This is potentially a crime.
You said the Russians attacked the country. Seems to me whoever did the hacking hacked the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s email server. Yes they were in the country but I have difficulty saying that was an attack on our country since both were private servers, not government servers.
The illegal hacking was an attempt to influence the election. That is an attack on our country.
You also called this an attack. It is widely know that Obama meddled in Israel’s election.
“Meddled” how? Through endorsements, or illegal means? A hack is an attack; expressing an opinion is not.
Seems to me we shut down North Korea’s internet for a while after the Sony hacking.
Yes, that was an attack. It was also a justifiable one.
This is soooooo ridiculous. He made a joke. You are hurting your credibility by bringing this up.
He explicitly said he hoped Russia would reveal more of Hillary’s e-mails. You think he wasn’t serious about that? We know today that the Trump campaign was willing to solicit information from the Russian government. The “joke” excuse didn’t hold up to scrutiny then and it definitely doesn’t now.
Now this is actually a lie. Even the anti Trump media is quoting Trump as saying it might have been the Russians.
He says it “might,” then parrots Putin’s denial and says the intelligence community doesn’t know anything. That’s as good as a denial, MCS.
Just two questions no one seems to be able to or want to answer. If Putin did help Trump to win why did Hillary get three million more votes? And how did he convince her to not campaign in the states that cost her the electoral college votes.
Also, Obama attacked Israel when he used taxpayer money to send his former campaign team members to beat Bebe. So, where is the difference between Obama and Putin?
Peggy, the intervention doesn’t have to have been completely successful in order to have happened, nor does it mean that Clinton herself ran a perfect campaign. The Russians could have interfered to help Trump AND Clinton could have made ordinary campaign mistakes and still won the popular vote–these things are not mutually exclusive.
The Dumbocrats weren’t even hacked
New Research Shows Guccifer 2.0 Files Were Copied Locally – DNC Not “Hacked By Russians”
http://disobedientmedia.com/2017/07/new-research-shows-guccifer-2-0-files-were-copied-locally-not-hacked/
I bet it was Seth Rich and that’s why Hillary had him murdered.
Joe I’d bet you don’t have any solid evidence against Hillary.
It’s one thing to express your own opinion and quite another to state opinion as fact. You can do better, and should.
I said I’d bet. I didn’t say I had evidence. But evidence is hard to get when you have the DC police and people very high up not being forthcoming.
In my opinion the DC police are lying as there is evidence this was a hit, not a robbery. It seems clear that there is no interest from the DC police to solve this murder.
But others (not from the government) are investigating and bringing things to light that verify some of my suspicions. These people conducting this independent investigation better be careful or they could very well wind up like Seth Rich.
Independent group releases new report on Seth Rich murder investigation
D.C. Police tell the 7 ON YOUR SIDE I-Team that Seth Rich’s murder is still being investigated as a botched robbery.
The Profiling Project doesn’t buy it. A report just issued by the Profiling Project says the murder was more likely committed by a hired killer.
http://wjla.com/news/local/read-new-report-released-on-seth-richs-murder-investigation
Tina, you deserve credit for that comment. Good for you for calling out conspiracy theories.
Yes, Christer (Chris, Brewster and whoever else is rolling around in your noggin today), it is a theory and of course you call it a conspiracy theory.
It currently is a theory because that’s just the way the DNC and the Clintons want it. And the one thing I can guarantee you is that the DNC and the Clintons will do all they can to make sure it stays just a theory.
The Publicly Available Evidence Doesn’t Support Russian Gov Hacking of 2016 Election
https://medium.com/@jeffreycarr/the-publicly-available-evidence-doesnt-support-russian-gov-hacking-of-2016-election-3ab928758a2f
And why did your beloved Demorats deny access to the servers??? Straight from the Comey Chameleon’s mouth:
James Comey: DNC denied FBI direct access to servers during Russia hacking probe
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/10/james-comey-dnc-denied-fbi-direct-access-servers-d/
Watching the media presstitutes build up to the big meeting with negative comments was almost laughable.
TheDonald could cure cancer, settle world peace, make our $20 trillion debt disappear, remove ISIS and Al Quaeda and invent the wheel and still the Leftie presstitutes would complain.
Ah, poor J. Right … and yet wrong.
I’ll bet you five bucks that the NYT has been sitting on this morning’s little bomb for months … waiting for Donald to provide them just the moment … which he did, the doofus.
And, you know, Mueller already knows all this.
All we have to do is create a Congress willing to act on it.
Bomb is correct – a STINK bomb which is already stinking up the NYT. Another nothing burger just like the last 11 months of the Russian collusion claims by the Demwits.
Speaking of ISIS, they are apparently toast in Mosul having been limited to about a square mile of turf and then defeated: “Iraqi Prime Minister congratulates armed forces for Mosul “victory” … it’s also “losing ground” in Raqqa, Syria, it’s operational base.
It ain;t over but it seems a corner has been turned.
Speaking of Obama. What the he77 is he up to? Someone needs to make him sit down and shut up. Like he said, elections do have consequences. He doesn’t get a third term
Lou Dobbs: Obama Is ‘Shadowing’ Trump All Over the World and It’s ‘Appalling’:
“Fox Business host Lou Dobbs says he is appalled with former president Obama because he has been “shadowing” President Trump around the world in an effort to “undercut him.”
On “Lou Dobbs Tonight” Thursday evening, the host brought up footage from 2012 of Obama asserting that “we have one president at a time” to establish his point that the former president is the ultimate hypocrite. He pointed out that five years later, Obama has “embarked on a world tour that appears to be clearly organized to mirror, to shadow President Trump’s meetings with foreign leaders.”
Obama has met with the former prime ministers of both Italy and Britain.
He talked with Germany’s Angela Merkel in May, before the president — just hours before her meeting with President Trump. Mr. Obama had dinner with Canada’s Justin Trudeau last month, and Obama met with South Korea’s new president Moon Jae-In in just this past Monday, only three days after President Trump met with the Korean leader at the White House. Three days.
The former president’s shadowing of President Trump is appalling, and so is the silence of the national left-wing media who have supported Obama in his egregiously awful behavior since he left office, and of course, throughout his eight years as president.
There’s nothing surprising in it at all, of course, the former president who spent those eight years undermining core American values, traditions and our national interests to boot, and who now does his very best to undercut President Trump and the will of the American people.
And I’ve noticed — have you? That there’s been not one Dem[ocrat] with sufficient integrity to protest these aggressive and offensive acts of a former president, who is now only extending his presidential record of failure through these disgusting efforts to subvert President Trump and his administration.”
https://pjmedia.com/video/lou-dobbs-obama-is-shadowing-trump-all-over-the-world-and-its-appalling/?utm_source=PJMFacebook&utm_medium=post
Peggy I’ve noticed too. He will follow in Jimmy Carter’s shameful footsteps and interject himself where ever he wants. He should take Bill Clinton’s admonishment to heart, “You’re time is up.” I don’t recall who he said it to but it does have a certain ring to it.
I’ve also noticed that the world’s leftist elites gather together to hear him speak, paying big bucks to listen to the same (Lenin/Marx) old-white-guy tripe.
The thing that’s most interesting is (mostly) nobody’s paying him much attention. Maybe they’re more embarrassed about his 8 year record than they would admit. Maybe they’re as fed up with covering him as we were in enduring his two terms. Maybe they’re just determined not to let anything distract from their mission to destroy President Trump. Whatever it is, he’s not getting much traction. I’m all for that!
I heard he’s filling the void of a leader for the DNC. He’s not just flying around to other countries he’s hitting states in the US too. Today I saw a picture of him holding a baby in Alaska. What’s he doing there? Vacationing? I don’t think so. Not many five star facilities up there like at Martha’s Vineyard.
The only explanation is he’s trying to save his legacy and to do that he needs to take out Trump. Russia, Russia, Russia, collusion, collusion, collusion will be playing like a broken record for the next four years. While the Clinton Ukrainian collusion will go almost unnoticed. And it’s where the real collusion took place. Politico even wrote an article about it last January.
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire:
“Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
Here’s Obama’s legacy and the reason for the all out war on Trump. IMHO
https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19554800_10209874948211383_6305048644355845329_n.jpg?oh=c88b80e1340a085bc659dedc58cca099&oe=5A031130
Oh yeah, did you hear one of Clinton’s cash cows closed? Yup, CGI did because no money was coming in to buy their influence and pay for the lavish elite life-style. Poor babies. LOL
Clinton Global Initiative Closes Its Doors. The Last 22 Employees Have Been Laid Off!
July 8, 2017
https://reagancoalition.com/articles/2017/clinton-global-initiative-closes-doors-last-22-employees-laid-off.html
Good article by Larry Kudlow at National Review, “Trump Has Putin over a Barrel-In Warsaw, he called the Russian president’s energy bully-bluff”
Our left press didn’t bother to notice this little nugget either…doesn’t fit their narrative.