by Jack
Speaking as a witness to a number of major riots including the Watts Riot, and also as a retired police officer, what I see happening in Minneapolis is sickening, but it is also part of a bigger picture that is even more disturbing.
“President Donald Trump on Friday threatened to take action to bring the city of Minneapolis “under control,” calling violent protesters outraged by the death of a black man in police custody “thugs” and saying that “when the looting starts, the shooting starts.” I agree with Trump, because the rioters are taking advantage of a tragic death, using it as a pretext to loot and burn.
It makes me wonder, are these looter really citizens of America, because they sure don’t act like it? They show absolutely no respect for the things that makes a society function. Their actions speak more like backward, primitive people, completely devoid of social and moral responsibility. I think… Americans, real Americans would stand up for justice. Sure they would protest loudly and demonstrate their concerns, but they would never be part of the smash and grab mob. I wonder…. how have we devolved to this low conduct?
Intelligent, adult Americans don’t behave like thugs. We have too much respect for ourselves and for the rule of law. What we are seeing now is an abomination, a cancer in our society and they should be dealt with severely, just as Trump says.
We should meet this challenge head on and put it down quickly, because our thin blue line that keeps society civil will not be able to contain the growing threats much longer. Our lives depend on the police to be able to maintain order. When they are outnumbered a 100 to one they can’t. The liberal mayor of Minneapolis has orders to restrain his officers just like our gang of four in Chico have done. This is no good – it doesn’t work. Appeasement is not the way to regain control after the burning has started.
We established a criminal justice that is second to none. It may have it’s flaws, but compared to all the rest, its still the best in the world. What kind of people would not respect that? Who would turn away from that system to pursue mob violence? Only, fools and criminals. We owe these people nothing, except a jail cell. WE DON’T NEED LYNCH MOBS burning AutoZone to get attention. NOTHING THAT HAPPENED between one cop and one suspect that could justify that.
How does stealing connect to anything the cops may or may not have done? It doesn’t! Make no mistake, there is a larger agenda in play here. This crowd and others like them are not guilty of a simple riot, of cause and effect. No, this is another major attack on civilized society and its happen too often with increasing violence.
This has happened so many times in America it has become a learned behavior spread across generations. And in all these examples shown below at least 98% of the responsibles got away with it and profited too. Let me remind everyone now how many times they’ve played the same old race card; check this out:
- 1946 – Airport Homes race riots, Chicago, Illinois
- 1947 – Fernwood Park race riot, mid-August, Fernwood, Chicago, IL
- 1949 – Fairground Park riot, June 21, St. Louis Missouri
- 1949 – Anacostia Pool Riot, June 29, Anacostia, Washington, D.C.
- 1949 – Peekskill riots, Peekskill, New York
- 1949 – Englewood race riot, November 8-12, Englewood, Chicago, IL
- 1951 – Cicero race riot of 1951, July 12, Cicero, Illinois
- 1960 – Ax Handle Saturday, August 27, Jacksonville, Florida
- 1962 – Ole Miss riot 1962, September 3-October 1, The University of Mississippi, Oxford, Mississippi
- 1963 – Birmingham riot of 1963, May 11, Birmingham, Alabama
- 1963 – Cambridge riot 1963, June 14, Cambridge, Maryland
- 1964 – Chester School Protests, April 2-26, Chester, Pennsylvania
- 1964 – the July 16 killing of James Powell by police in the Yorkville neighborhood just south of East Harlem precipitates a string of race riots in July and August, including:
- 1964 – Harlem Riot of 1964, July 16-22, New York City
- 1964 – Rochester 1964 race riot, July 24-25, Rochester, New York
- 1964 – Jersey City Riot, August 3-5, Jersey City, NJ
- 1964 – Dixmoor race riot, August 15-17, Dixmoor, Illinois
- 1964 – Philadelphia 1964 race riot, August 28-30, Philadelphia
- 1965 – Selma to Montgomery marches, March 7-25, Alabama
- 1965 – Watts riots, August 11-17, Los Angeles, California
- 1966 – Division Street riots, June 12-14, Humboldt Park, Chicago, Illinois
- 1966 – Omaha riot of 1966, July 2, Omaha, Nebraska
- 1966 – 1966 Chicago West-Side riots, July 12-15, Chicago, Illinois
- 1966 – Hough riots, July 18-24, Cleveland, Ohio
- 1966 – Marquette Park housing march, August 5, Chicago, Illinois
- 1966 – Waukegan riot, August 27, Waukegan, Illinois
- 1966 – Benton Harbor riots, August 30-September 4, Benton Harbor, Michigan
- 1966 – Summerhill and Vine City Riots, September 6-8 Atlanta, Georgia
- 1966 – Hunters Point social uprising, September 27-October 1 San Francisco, California
- 1966 – Sunset Strip curfew riots, November 12, various other flareups, basis for the song “For What It’s Worth (Buffalo Springfield song)“, West Hollywood, California
- 1967 – Long Hot Summer of 1967 refers to a year in which 159 race riots, almost all African-American, erupted across the United States, including:
- 1967 – Avondale riots, June 12-15, Cincinnati, Ohio
- 1967 – Buffalo riot of 1967, June 27, Buffalo, New York
- 1967 – 1967 Newark riots, July 12-17, Newark, New Jersey
- 1967 – 1967 Plainfield riots, July 14-21, Plainfield, New Jersey
- 1967 – Cairo riot, July 17, Cairo, Illinois
- 1967 – 1967 Detroit riot, July 23-29, Detroit, Michigan
- 1967 – Cambridge riot of 1967, July 24, a.k.a. the H. Rap Brown riot, Cambridge, Maryland
- 1967 – 1967 Saginaw riot, July 26, Saginaw, Michigan
- 1967 – Milwaukee riot, July 30, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
- 1968 – Orangeburg Massacre, S.C. State Univ., February 8, Orangeburg, South Carolina
- 1968 – Memphis Sanitation Strike riot, March 28, Memphis, Tennessee
- 1968 – Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., April 4, Memphis, Tennessee, precipitates all April 4-14 riots, including:
- 1968 – 1968 Detroit riot, April 4-5, Detroit, Michigan
- 1968 – 1968 New York City riots, April 4-5, New York City, New York
- 1968 – 1968 Washington, D.C. riots, April 4-8, Washington, D.C.
- 1968 – 1968 Chicago riots, West Side Riots, April 5-7, Chicago, Illinois
- 1968 – 1968 Pittsburgh riots, April 5-11, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
- 1968 – Baltimore riot of 1968, April 6-14, Baltimore, Maryland
- 1968 – Avondale riot of 1968, April 8, Cincinnati, Ohio
- 1968 – 1968 Kansas City riot, April 9, Kansas City, Missouri
- 1968 – Wilmington Riot of 1968, April 9-10, Wilmington, Delaware
- 1968 – Trenton Riot of 1968, April 9-11, Trenton, New Jersey
- 1968 – Columbia University protests of 1968, April 23, New York City, New York
- 1968 – Louisville riots of 1968, May 27, Louisville, Kentucky
- 1968 – Akron riot, July 17-23, Akron, Ohio
- 1968 – Glenville Shootout, July 23-28, Cleveland, Ohio
- 1968 – 1968 Miami riot, August 7-8, Miami, Florida
- 1968 – 1968 Democratic National Convention protests, including the police riots of August 27-28, Chicago, Illinois
- 1969 – Zip to Zap riot, May 9-11, Zap, North Dakota
- 1969 – People’s Park Riots, May, Berkeley, California
- 1969 – 1969 Greensboro uprising, May 21-25, Greensboro, North Carolina
- 1969 – Cairo disorders, May-December, Cairo, Illinois
- 1969 – 1969 York Race Riot, July 17-24, York, Pennsylvania
- 1970 – Augusta Riot, May 11-13, Augusta, Georgia
- 1970 – Jackson State killings, May 14-15, two killed, Jackson, Mississippi
- 1970 – 1970 Asbury Park race riots, July 4-10, Asbury Park, New Jersey
- 1970 – 1970 Memorial Park riot, August 24-27, Royal Oak, Michigan
- 1971 – Wilmington riot 1971, February 9, Wilmington, North Carolina
- 1971 – May Day protests 1971, May 3, Washington, D.C.
- 1971 – Camden riots, August 1971, Camden, New Jersey
- 1973 – Shooting of Clifford Glover Riot, April 23, Rioting broke out in South Jamaica, Queens after an undercover NYPD officer shot and killed a ten-year-old African-American youth. New York, New York
- 1974 – Baltimore police strike, July, Baltimore, Maryland
- 1974 – Boston busing race riots anti-busing riots throughout Boston, Massachusetts
- 1975 – Livernois-Fenkell riot, July 1975, Detroit, Michigan
- 1976 – Escambia High School riots, February 5, Pensacola, Florida
- 1976 – Anti-busing riot in downtown Boston, April 5, Boston, Massachusetts
- 1976 – Marquette Park unrest, June-August, Chicago, Illinois
- 1977 – Humboldt Park riot, June 5-6, Chicago, Illinois
- 1977 – New York City Blackout riot 1977, July 13-14, New York City, New York
- 1978 – Moody Park riot, May 5, 1978, Houston, Texas
- 1979 – Herman Hill riot, April 15, Wichita, Kansas
- 1979 – White Night riots, May 1979, San Francisco, California
- 1979 – Greensboro massacre, November 3, Greensboro, North Carolina
- 1980 – Miami riot 1980, May 17-19, Miami, Florida
- 1982 – Miami riot 1982, Dec. 28, A Miami policeman shoots a black video game player in an arcade. Riots breakout in the Overtown section of Miami. Miami, Florida
- 1986 – Marquette Park KKK rally, June 28, Chicago, Illinois
- 1988 – Tompkins Square Park riot, August 6-7, New York City
- 1988 – Cedar Grove, Shreveport, Louisiana
- 1989 – 1989 Miami riot, Jan. 16-18, Miami policeman kills a black motorcycle rider. Riots breakout in the Overtown section of the city. Miami, Florida
- 1991 – 1991 Washington, DC riot, Mount Pleasant riot, May 5-9, Washington, D.C.
- 1991 – Crown Heights riot, August 1991, Brooklyn, New York
- 1992 – L.A. Rodney King riots, April-May 1992, Los Angeles, California
- 1992 – West Las Vegas riots, April 29, Las Vegas, Nevada
- 1992 – 1992 Washington Heights riots, July 4-7, Manhattan, New York, Dominican community
- 1996 – St. Petersburg, Florida Riot 1996, October 1996, St. Petersburg, Florida
- 1997 – North Hollywood shootout, February 1997, Los Angeles, California
- 21st century
- 2000 – Elián González affair, Miami, Florida
- 2000 – Brooks Brothers riot, Miami-Dade county, Florida
- 2001 – 2001 Cincinnati Riots, April 10-12, Cincinnati, Ohio
- 2003 – Benton Harbor riot, June 2003, Benton Harbor, Michigan
- 2003 – Miami FTAA Protests, November 2003, Miami, Florida
- 2004 – 2004 American League Championship Series, October 21, 1 dead, Boston, Massachusetts
- 2005 – Civil disturbances and military action in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, August – Sept., New Orleans, Louisiana
- 2005 – 2005 Toledo riot, October 15, Toledo, Ohio
- 2007 – The Los Angeles May Day mêlée, May 1, Los Angeles, California
- 2009 – Riots against BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant, January 7, 120 arrested, Oakland, California
- 2009 – Akron riots, March 14, 2009, 7 arrested; and July 2009, unknown number arrested, Akron, Ohio
- 2009 – 2009 G-20 Pittsburgh summit protests, Sept. 24-25, 193 arrested
- 2010 – Oakland protest riot, November 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009; see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. Oakland, California
- 2013 – Flatbush Riots, March 11, Riots in Brooklyn, New York after the death of Kimani Gray who was shot and killed by NYPD.
- 2014 – Ferguson unrest, Ferguson and St. Louis, Missouri, August 10 and November 24. Following the shooting death of Michael Brown by a Ferguson police officer, protests erupt in the streets. Police respond with riot gear, tear gas, sound canons, police dogs, concussion grenades, rubber bullets, pepper balls, wooden bullets, beanbag rounds, tasers, pepper spray, and armored vehicles. Unrest occurred continuously for weeks in August, and sporadically through December, with nearly daily protests throughout the period and rioting following the non-indictment announcement on Nov 24. Unrest again occurred on the one year anniversary in August 2015, with dozens of arrests.
- 2014 – St. Louis, Missouri – October 8, police vehicle windows broken as rage at the killing of Vonderrit Myers Jr. Protests continued for days afterward, during the nearby and ongoing Ferguson Unrest.
- 2014 – New York, New York, and Berkeley, California – After prosecutors and a grand jury refused to indict a police officer in the death of Eric Garner, protests erupted in New York City and other cities.
- 2014 Oakland riots, November-December, A series of riots and civil disturbances that took place in Oakland and the surrounding area, in reaction to the events involving the Shooting of Michael Brown and later, the death of Eric Garner, Oakland, California
- 2014 – Berkeley, Missouri, December 23-24. Antonio Martin is shot to death by police in a St. Louis suburb nearby to Ferguson, leading to violent conflict with police, and looting.
- 2015 – 2015 Baltimore protests, April 25-28. Days of protests break out following the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody. 34 people are arrested and 15 Officers injured after rioting and looting break out. Gray’s funeral was held on April 27 and followed by further protests and looting. Governor Hogan had preemptively activated the Maryland National Guard, while the Maryland State Police had activated at least 500 officers.
- 2015 – St. Louis, Missouri, August 19. Conflict with police following fatal shooting by St. Louis police officers of black teenager Mansur Ball-Bey leads to deployment of tear gas then burned car, buildings, and looting. Protests continue in subsequent days with tensions remaining high.
- 2016 – Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, January-February 2016. 1 killed and several dozen arrested at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon.
- 2016 – 2016 Donald Trump Chicago rally protest, March 11. Five people arrested and two police officers injured during a demonstration at the UIC Pavilion.
- 2016 – Democracy Spring rally in April. March to Washington D.C. and sit-ins lead to arrests.
- 2016 – Widespread protests erupt in response to two deaths at the hands of police, the Shooting of Alton Sterling and shooting of Philando Castile. At least 261 people were arrested in protests in New York City, Chicago, St. Paul, Baton Rouge, and other cities.
- 2016 – 2016 Milwaukee riots, Sherman Park, August 13-15. Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
- 2016 – 2016 Charlotte riot, September 20-21, Protests and riots break out in response to the shooting of Keith Lamont Scott by a Charlotte police officer.
- 2017 – Berkeley, California, February 1, civil unrest ensued at UC Berkeley as Milo Yiannopoulos was scheduled to speak on the campus.[2][3]
- 2017 – 2017 Anaheim, California protests, February 21, protesters demonstrate after police officer grabs boy and fires his gun. Protesters damage property and throw bottles and rocks at police.
- 2017 – May Day, violence breaks out at May Day protests in Olympia, and Portland, as masked anarchists damage property and clash with police.
- 2017 – 2017 St. Louis protests, beginning September 15, large protests erupted when police officer Jason Stockley was found not guilty of murder in the shooting death of Anthony Lamar Smith on December 20, 2011. Some of the protests turned destructive and the police became violent. Windows were broken at Mayor Lyda Krewson‘s house and in the Central West End business district on the first night, many windows were broken in the Delmar Loop on Sept 16, a few were broken downtown on Sept 17 after police drove swiftly through a crowd following a peaceful march. Police conducted a kettling mass arrest operation of nonviolent protesters and bystanders, beating and pepper spraying many, including journalists, documentary filmmakers, and an undercover officer. Protests and sporadic unrest continued daily for weeks.
- 2019 – Memphis riot, June 13, following the fatal shooting of Brandon Webber by U.S. Marshals, Memphis, TN.
- 2020 – New York City FTP protests, Jan 31, Anti-Transit Police and MTA protest resulting in hundreds of arrests over the three separate days of demonstration. Vandalism and violence on train stations was reported.
The evidence (show above) makes it quite clear – we have a growing problem within our society that must come to an end soon or it will end us.
Mobs don’t care about laws, they don’t care about evidence, right or wrong, they only care about their own self-centered narrative. And anything like the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, that supports the theory of their wholesale victimization at the hands of rogue police everywhere is all they want to hear. But, the facts don’t support them. The facts say they are completely wrong – its statistically provable!
Regarding this Minneapolis riot, what allegedly triggered the violence was video crafted to fit the race-baiters narrative. It was edited to show only a white cop kneeling into the neck of a handcuffed black man. We saw a cop’s knee pressed into the black guys neck and nothing else. An autopsy is still pending, but the media claims this black man died of his injuries caused by the misapplied force by a cop. Maybe it was, but we don’t know that for sure yet. Look, I’m not defending the cop, but I am also not willing to get out in front of the truth and jump to conclusions like our mainstream media.
There’s a lot of questions to be answered before anyone should join the liberals and the lynch the cop mob. For example, did the man die from asphyxiation or something else? Was the man resisting arrest up until the time the office held him down with his knee? Why did he continue to hold him in this manner? What kind of training did the officer/s have in order to safely handle arrested persons? There’s a ton of questions that need to be answered that are not available at this time. So we need to chill and let the system do what it is intended to do. (I’m speaking to the nation at large not our PS readers – you guys are already chill! )
All that we know at this time is the cop seems to holding the man down with his knee on the man’s neck. That’s bad, I admit, but there is so much more we need to know before we form a verdict. We don’t see the cop/s trying to beat him, shoot him, we only see a knee in the guys neck. We did see several cops walking the suspect, that was ok. So, that’s it. If this knee was really the cause of death, then it was not a clear cut case of anything, certainly murder or even deliberate malice. If that is the case, then at worst this is a case of involuntary manslaughter, its not a case of crazed cops out to kill black people as Black Lives Matters and every liberal on earth would have us believe.
We only are allowed to seeing the image of the white cop on the black man, because that fits the liberal narrative perfectly. This is all that the race baiters, the radical progressives and agitators want to you to see, and then they fill in the blanks, the rest of the story, for you. Why this is a clear cut case of a brutal, racist cop killing a black man. A black man who was a pillar of society, a gentle giant and would never do a thing wrong or harm a fly! He was murdered by white cops for absolutely no reason. And this is what they have played 24/7 since it started. This is like pouring gasoline on smoldering embers.
Now enter the “ready to riot people.” They could care less about the cause of death of George Floyd. They are not out for justice - not when they could be looting a department store. Not when they could steal whatever they could carry away! Remember New Orleans after Katrina? Sure looks familiar. It was looting time and this is what they do. Could happen in any big city and we’ve got a long list lootings to prove it! These ready-to- riot types are always looking for an excuse and get their 10 seconds of fame on the news.
The big question America should be asking is, why? The looting of stores and arson all went down with scripted precision. But, why, these places had absolutely nothing to do with the original incident? They were simply places of opportunity for the flash mob to do what they always do. This is always what happens – but why?
In my opinion, there are thousands of people in every state, ready to riot right now and we need to do some major soul searching, because the direction we are headed is unacceptable.
I never again want to hear… the rioting and damage was “understandable given the circumstances.” No it is not! It is not understandable, its not justifiable and it is being done for reasons we need to address – now!
Over the years I’ve read a lot about the causes of social unrest and rioting. One of the main causes may surprise you, because it goes back long before America. It originated in Africa about the dawn of mankind. And it has lasted in various forms and by various names until the present time. This is a cultural thing among blacks now and specifically its called tribalism. Even though the black community may not recognize it, they are certainly influenced by it.
The dictionary says, tribalism is the state of being organized by, or advocating for, tribes or tribal lifestyles. Human evolution has primarily occurred in small groups, as opposed to mass societies, and humans naturally maintain a social network. In popular culture, tribalism may also refer to a way of thinking or behaving in which people are loyal to their social group above all else, or, derogatorily, a type of discrimination or animosity based upon group differences. This area is best handled by historians and sociologists, but its worth looking into and maybe we’ll open some minds in the process?
Another ingredient to social unrest is a carry over from the old cold war days. The anti-American rhetoric of the 1950’s lives on in the talking points of socialists (progressives) today. Liberals took the lessons from the communists and use the same tactics to undermine our value and idealism and attack everything we hold as dear. Their objective is power and control. They need to make us hate our own country and our own moral principles. They need to control how we see things through their blinders. This is taking place in institutions of higher learning everywhere.
Stay with me just a bit more and I’ll wrap it up as quick as I can. One of the leading progressive tactics to gain control is instilling class warfare among our minorities. You can read this in works by Karl Marx and his theories about society, economics and politics - collectively understood as Marxism. He holds that human societies develop through class conflict and this can be exploited. Class conflict really resonates with tribalism, its a perfect fit for our race baiters. Then we have the media feeding frenzy that fuels the flames and helps coordinate the next rampage. There’s a lot more to this, but I’m not writing a book.
In closing, if you can just step back from headlines, away from the incident du jur that provoked a riot you will see the bigger picture. It is so obvious what’s going on, yet so few people seem to be aware of it. We headed for a revolution, a social and political revolution inspired by progressives, socialism and racism.
If we don’t figure it out soon and have the guts to resist the subversions… its over.
Jack, I am 100% with you on the riots. There is no defense of them and most of those who are defending them would never actually riot themselves because they know that they are wrong.
But this is ridiculous:
“Regarding this Minneapolis riot, what allegedly triggered the violence was video crafted to fit the race-baiters narrative. It was edited to show only a white cop kneeling into the neck of a handcuffed black man. We saw a cop’s knee pressed into the black guys neck and nothing else.”
What more is necessary to see? I am not aware of any situation in which it is appropriate for a police officer to kneel on a handcuffed person’s neck for two minutes—are you? I didn’t see any explanation of when this would be justified in your article so I have to assume there is no justification. You raised a good point about tribalism—is it possible that you are engaging in tribalism yourself here? You identify with cops and are very sensitive to allegations of abuse by the police, so is it possible that is causing you to bend over backwards to consider possible excuses for what looks like inexcusable conduct—just as those defending the rioters are doing?
Chris, I would not call waiting to see the evidence as bending over backwards. I never want to rush to judgement and have said so many times in many other similar situations.
Yes, I am sensitive to police being disrespected, but I’m not blind to police misconduct. I know it happens and I’ll be the first to admit that it does. But, I also know it is a rare incident. The numbers problems as reported by the FBI are just about the lowest of any occupation.
There’s no epidemic of racism against blacks by cops. That is pure fiction. If anything, its the reverse. America is NOT a racist country as blacks are so often heard to say.
Of course cops come in contact with blacks more often than other races because the black offender has the worst track record. Murder, rape, robbery, gun violence, the black offender is always overrepresented. Is that stereotyping? Do you think this because of white cops pinning the crimes on black males?
The black male is many times overrepresented in prison, just as he was found to be overrepresented in looting stores following Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. Black offenders have the single worst track record for criminal behavior. Not just here, but anywhere, where there’s a significant number in the resident population. This is due to one simple fact, because they are doing more crime. That’s not racist, its just reality. That is an earned distinction. I didn’t create it – they did. Its too bad, but that’s the way it is. So I am very suspicious when blacks claim racism following their capture for a crime.
Jack, I’ll ask again: under what circumstances is it appropriate for a police officer to kneel on a detained man’s neck for two minutes? You have more police training than I do so I assume you know the answer. If the answer is “no circumstances,” then you have all the evidence you need to make a judgment in this case, and withholding judgment is unwarranted.
We have seen even more police abuse during the protests and riots. Journalists have been arrested. Videos of cops pepper spraying whole lines of unarmed people have emerged. One cop was even caught staging an act of vandalism. The “one bad apple” narrative is disproven every single time something like this happens. This was exposed in Ferguson–the officer who killed Mike Brown turned out to be justified, but the department as a whole was rife with systemic racist abuse and mistreatment of the local minority communities. Crime, poverty, and police mistreatment is a cycle, Jack, and blaming only minorities for that cycle is not a good look.
Chris you are assuming the police officer in question killed the black guy by his actions. Suppose for a moment, this wasn’t the case? You are willing to bet the lives of 4 officers and one in particular that placing his knee on the suspects neck was what killed him. Would you be willing to be your own life on that verdict or would you like to have a little more information first, like a medical report?
“Chris you are assuming the police officer in question killed the black guy by his actions.”
Where? Show me. Point to where I made that assumption. You can’t. You are making that up because you don’t want to engage with what I actually said. I’ll ask a third time:
“under what circumstances is it appropriate for a police officer to kneel on a detained man’s neck for two minutes?*”
Although now I have to alter that question because according to the autopsy it was eight minutes, two of which occurred after the man was unresponsive.
At least one of the officers in this video seem to know that putting one’s knee on a detained man’s neck is not OK; watch him forcibly stop another officer from doing so:
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1267068608057835520?s=20
We need more officers like the one who checked his colleague, and less who think responding to riots over police brutality with more police brutality is the proper response. Unfortunately, there is evidence that the former outweigh the latter, if not in numbers, than in power:
“A Department of Justice study revealed that a whopping 84 percent of police officers report that they’ve seen colleagues use excessive force on civilians, and 61 percent admit they don’t always report “even serious criminal violations that involve abuse of authority by fellow officers.”
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/seven-reasons-police-brutality-is-systematic-not-anecdotal/?fbclid=IwAR2_zeJovMQ1GB5M9zr7sY7uflmwWL-wEv_UtCwZ-ZfHGRU07TU-w-ACVho
So most officers admit they have seen what they consider police brutality, but they are too afraid to do anything about it. That’s a systemic problem, Jack. There is a culture of silence and fear of being seen as a “snitch” in police culture. This is something they have in common with gangs. The problem isn’t that there are too many “bad apples,” the problem is that the good apples are intimidated from coming forward when they know an injustice has occurred. I am glad to see the American Conservative document this problem, but I wish more American conservatives would listen to them.
You and I both know that there are many people who join the police to serve their community to do good…and that there are many who join to act out their desire for power and their rage, and that they often target this rage against particular communities. This is true of the military as well. Denying this truth is absurd.
Chris your inference reads the same as an indictment. It’s abundantly clear where your bias is, because you keep focusing on the cop kneeling on the suspect’s neck. This is the popular narrative from the left, is it not? Neither you nor them will it let go. It was not the cause of death – that was an erroneous assumption. Yet, even after independent medical facts emerge that say this was not the cause of death, we’re still talking about the cop putting his knee on the guys neck as if it did cause his death.
I’ve already said this appears to be an improper control hold, but why do you think we see 3 officers holding down the suspect? He was resisting, the cops don’t enjoy laying in the street and getting filthy. They did it to restrain the man for a reason – he was resisting! So why should I be required to speculate about the knee on the neck??? For the 10th time it had little to nothing to do with the cause of death? To what end would I even want to speculate about that? To validate the lefts wrong beliefs? No, I won’t do that. If there were tactical mistakes made, my experience says this has more to do with training than racism, but once again, any arrest mistakes made had nothing to do with the cause of death. If you must speculate, then try this….if the man was white and the officer was black I speculate we would not even be having this conversation.
I am in awe of your suggestion that an abusive and illegal tactic by a police officer doesn’t matter and shouldn’t be discussed if it was not the direct cause of death in a given situation. If you really can’t think of a reason why that would be worth discussing other than “to validate the left’s wrong beliefs,” you are poisoned by partisan bias and the same kind of tribalism you’ve condemned here.
Chris, I have acknowledge the tactic and being controversial, and lets see what else I can say… oh, okay, its cause for further investigation. How’s that? What else do you want from me Chris? I didn’t do it, but there are times when I did worse. I picked up a black guy once and body slammed him into the gravel, that’s not a police tactic is it? But, in the real world you fight to win. You do what every it takes. I could have clubbed him over the head with my gun, but I didn’t I just raised him over my head and thru him down. Not a police tactic. It took the fight out of him. That’s all I wanted.
I want you to say that kneeling on a guy’s neck for eight minutes is wrong, Jack. That shouldn’t be hard. S it’s “controversial” is cowardly, nihilistic, and morally bankrupt.
I can imagine plenty of situations where the body slam you describe could be justified—if the suspect was charging at you, for instance. That doesn’t apply in this situation—the suspect was already subdued. In no way is that “worse” than what was done to George Floyd. You’re one of the good ones, Jack—don’t put yourself on the same level as the bad ones out of tribal loyalty. If police decide to do that instead of standing for what’s right, then what makes them better than any other gang?
Chris I’ve already done you one better than that, I didn’t put a time on it, 8 minutes, 5 minutes, 2 minutes who cares and who knows? The officer was in motion, the subject was in motion, contact points changed. There’s only one thing that matters, was this the cause of death? I said all along that this was controversial hold, not a routine hold. It is not something that is taught in police departments as far as I know. Now that being said, was it really the proximate cause of death? This is the whole enchilada here… was it Chris? It appears he (cop) was not on the victims neck anywhere near as long or as hard, as alleged. A second video shows the officer shifting his weight to his right knee and that his left knee was slightly above the mans neck but still over it. Okay, look this is all academic if it turns out that the knee was not the proximate cause of death, right? Chris, granted, it could turn out that further and more detailed autopsy could turn up something new.
Common sense says, given the high profile nature of this case, one would expect the medical examiner to really be on his game. He knew he had to do the very best autopsy in his professional career! He knows he is front and center of a super hot investigation! He knows that the outraged public is looking for evidence to confirm their narrative and if his investigation turns up something to the contrary, he’s going to be called on to defend his conclusions. So he’s going to make a darn good medical investigation. He knows his work will be heavily subject to review because a lawsuit against the City is pending.
Now we must all realize that the lawyer/s involved will not profit unless there is a settlement, right? Of course. Well, lets skip this, he said she said stuff. How about we wait for a trail where all the evidence will be judged.
Last sentence of the first paragraph should say “Just saying it’s “controversial” is cowardly, nihilistic, and morally bankrupt.”
Okay.
I didn’t put a time on it, 8 minutes, 5 minutes, 2 minutes who cares and who knows?
Anyone concerned with justice should care.
There’s only one thing that matters, was this the cause of death?
That is not the only thing that matters. Most of the other incidences of police brutality that I have documented here over the past few days has not led to deaths. It is still police brutality and it is still a threat to us as free people.
The independent autopsy has already contradicted the original autopsy and concludes that Floyd was asphyxiated.
Common sense says, given the high profile nature of this case, one would expect the medical examiner to really be on his game. He knew he had to do the very best autopsy in his professional career! He knows he is front and center of a super hot investigation! He knows that the outraged public is looking for evidence to confirm their narrative and if his investigation turns up something to the contrary, he’s going to be called on to defend his conclusions. So he’s going to make a darn good medical investigation. He knows his work will be heavily subject to review because a lawsuit against the City is pending.
Or, he’s helping cover up a corrupt police department in a corrupt city. That happens.
How about we wait for a trail where all the evidence will be judged.
Because of qualified immunity police are often let off the hook even in a trial. Police who have killed people and pets or stolen property have been found not guilty. This happens all the time and a simple Google search of “qualified immunity” could expose this problem to anyone not deeply invested in denying it.
Sharpton said it all with, “Some of the stores that are being damaged are black-owned stores!” Sharpton exclaimed. “So we cannot become so reckless that we are destroying each other in our rage.”
This isn’t about justice for George Floyd, it’s taking what they want from those who have more, but only if they aren’t black. All the hardworking hispanics, asians, whites, etc. deserve to be robbed and their stores burned to the ground, because they all owe them.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/al-sharpton-black-owned-stores-destruction-minneapolis-reckless
Heartbreaking stories of people losing everything and not knowing if they’ll be able to rebuild. Lake Street sounds like it WAS a wonderful place to live and work.
‘We don’t have law and order’: Black and Latino business owners face destruction in Minneapolis:
“Some tried to protect their businesses against looting by taping messages of solidarity in their windows, including “African owned business” and “We support our small diverse and minority businesses.” But those windows were broken overnight, too, leaving security guards sweeping up the shattered glass Friday.
“We never expected this,” said Elmi, who like other merchants has also been buffeted by the lost business and travails the coronavirus has brought.
He noticed that even East Lake Street’s mainstays were looted, including Ingebretsen’s, a Nordic bakery and meat market where residents line up at Christmas to buy lutefisk, pinnekjott, and yulecake. Elmi and his restaurant supplier, Mohammoud Abdi, said the damage reminded them of their youth in Somalia, where they watched militants roam and the government lose control of the country.
“We don’t have law and order,” said Abdi, 47. “This is not helpful to George’s family.”
Liban “Lee” Alin surveyed the damage with dismay. Alin, 30, who works at a local homeless shelter, grew up in the area before settling there with his wife. As a child, he prayed and studied the Koran at the makeshift mosque Elmi created at the back of Hamdi Restaurant. But as an adult, he had been racially profiled by white police officers who live in the suburbs.
“I agree with why people are upset,” Alin said, “but don’t destroy the community. Who knows if the businesses are going to want to come back?”
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-05-29/minneapolis-minority-business-owners-awake-to-destruction
Peggy: Sharpton said it all with, “Some of the stores that are being damaged are black-owned stores!” Sharpton exclaimed. “So we cannot become so reckless that we are destroying each other in our rage.”
This isn’t about justice for George Floyd, it’s taking what they want from those who have more, but only if they aren’t black. All the hardworking hispanics, asians, whites, etc. deserve to be robbed and their stores burned to the ground, because they all owe them.
It never ceases to amaze me how you’ll bend over backwards to defend any Trump or Trumpist quote, no matter how clearly bad, while reading any quote from a person on the left in the most uncharitable light possible. Your interpretation here is just dishonest. I’m no fan of Sharpton, but his point here seems clear: the rioters who are hiding behind “Black Lives Matter” are acting hypocritically when they destroy property and businesses owned by black people. Absent any other context showing otherwise, I see no rational, non-bigoted reason to assume that this means he thinks looting non-black people is acceptable.
Ilhan Omar made a similar point today, condemning rioters and saying “If you care about black lives, you cannot set a fire in Minneapolis risking black lives.” Again, this doesn’t mean that all lives don’t matter, it’s giving activists another reason to not engage in violence and choose peaceful tactics instead. Isn’t that exactly the message leaders on the left should be sending?
Saturday morning
I see that the Gov of MN is gonna send in the National Guard to Minneapolis – and it only took him 2 nights of rioting and burning to get him to make that decision.
Guess he was too busy issuing orders about wearing masks . . . .
And on another subject – I’m in favor of shooting looters – of ANY color!
Orchestrated “protests” such as these do NOT happen across the country without advance planning and funding. And why do the only happen in Demwit-controlled cities?????
Wouldn’t be at all surprised to find George Soros behind much of this as he was during the last Antifa Thug outbreak!
FYI – George Soros’ money again? Of course it is.
“They have military grade communication systems. Who is funding them? Who pays for their bail and fines when arrested? Who transports them? Who else are they communicating with around the country? Minneapolis, Los Angeles, Houston, New York city, and more. Who is responsible?”
https://twitter.com/BernardKerik/status/1266464309208666114
Minnesota officials: “Every person arrested last night was from out of state.” Locals: “We don’t know these folks.”
https://twitter.com/SharylAttkisson/status/1266737052047101953
Ah come on, Jack. Aren’t you being a bit hard on the looters???
After all, I saw several wearing masks and practicing social distancing. 🙂
From my son by another mother who is a San Jose police officer/captain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLclPXEkrHM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3zQmDHM4PIr0GEWeJdHdvL5GdaSoFM5zCumd3gAWdr0Uu_FBAGjJo9YTw
People getting paid for protest martials!!!
https://twitter.com/TKQ1777/status/1266941688972378113
I’m more concerned about the police being paid by our taxpayer dollars to pepper spray women for walking away from them:
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1267455512846700544?s=21
Starting other altercations with civilians:
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1267459054839967746?s=21
Shooting civilians on their balconies:
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1267456110291755009?s=21
Pushing civilians into traffic:
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1267433654101434371?s=21
Shooting reporters in the throat:
https://twitter.com/aguzmanlopez/status/1267269781805137920?s=21
And all the other abuses I’ve linked to on this site.
But I guess I’m the only one here concerned about that.
(I remember a month ago when the conservatives here were mad about government overreach and were cheering on protesters for standing up for their rights. But that was about getting haircuts instead of not wanting to get killed by police, so I can understand why those protests were so much more noble.)
Chris, you keep producing twitter feeds, I don’t do tweeter, sorry. Too much opinion, too little fact.
They are VIDEOS, Jack!
I can post the links to them but I can’t make you watch them. And even if I could do that, I couldn’t make you open your eyes to the reality of police brutality in America, because you are tribally invested in denying it.
And it’s about damn time!!!!!!
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500357-trump-says-he-will-designate-antifa-a-terrorist-organization
Typical democrat attitude. He has since deleted his Tweets.
Former ESPN reporter tweets “burn it all down” – until the “animals” came to HIS neighborhood:
https://therightscoop.com/former-espn-reporter-tweets-burn-it-all-down-until-the-animals-came-to-his-neighborhood/?fbclid=IwAR252Td0qj96fV-Bf1kFLNCCvY6g6pKRccNj9Sl_s2TjyAJOG7fgkQg8mG8