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I’ve run into these same kind of protestors my whole political life! Anytime we ever had a major speaker come to Chico the Dems lead by Bob Mulholland turned out his protestors. They chant slogans, but when confronted about the issues they come off dumber than a brick. They dont understand what their protest is even about..thats just weird
I suppose they are unprepared to defend their position because nobody in their circles ever asks any questions. Yet here they are, chanting and protesting, making lots of noise and gaining press coverage and the reporters never confront them with hard questions?
These are world class simpletons, partisan dupes and they have been whipped up by emotion, absent any reason or truth. There was a time when Karl Marx needed such useful fools and fortunately for him they were so abundant in Russia at just the right time. Marx and later Stalin manipulated them like robots and just like todays protestors. At their foundation in Russia and here is the hate. Yet, I have trouble believing that in this information age, in America, with all our open access to the truth that it’s still easy to gather these fools up in big numbers. They are USEFUL IDIOTS and they vote democrat. Its scary.
You know, there just has to be something fundamentally wrong in the leadership of the democratic party today. What in the heck has happened to the leadership? Have they been taken over by subversive or what? No kidding, how else could they abandoned common sense and critical thinking? They are relying on the stupidest people in America to carry them in electionswhat a joke they have become.
Democrats of the 50’s and 60’s were not like this! How could they have sunk so low in such a short period of time?
I was solicited once by a professional group to “join the pac” and contribute my share. I replied that I didn’t think pacs were the best way to donate. The person soliciting the contribution said simply, “This is your business, you should be supporting your business.” I knew the money would go to Democrats and as far as I was concerned the policies they favored were not going to help me or my business.
I can see these people gathered into a union hall or cafateria. They are told they need to go protest Beck, Palin, Breitbart, or Republican candidates because those people are hateful bigots that want to eliminate their jobs…or their union. They go based on emotions ginned up with lies and distortions…this video is terrific because it shows these poor folk don’t have information…just attitude.
Tina, you’re far more generous than I was about these protestors…I’ve had to deal with them on too many occassions, so my frustration is showing.
Tina you are spot on. As a retired CSEA member and union president for 4 years we were expected to volunteer our time to work for political candidates that were supportive of union causes.
Never did any protesting, but did picket the school board once when they tried to lay off classified employees while giving top administrators pay raises.
Union halls have huge printing facilities and all the sign making materials needed to supply a small army. They also have labor reps that are assigned to every work site who are very good at motivating people to participate or possibly lose their jobs if they don’t.
Beck is a coward because he will not respond to questions.
An adjective to describe Breitbart fails me. He is the POS that makes up news as he sees fit to fit his agenda. He sank that Sherrod woman for what??
Hearst could have taken lessons from this clown. Sadly, in this day of instant information, Breitbart’s sins far outweigh anything Hearst did.
For all I know the old guy was a plant. For all I know, the whole thing is ANOTHER Breitbart made-up news piece.
How is anyone supposed to know?
With the Supreme’s ruling that news orgs have a right to lie, you expect me to believe ANYthing this proven liar says?
You’re kidding, right?
As far as the ignorami whipped up into an unthinking frenzy, last year and this, on Tax Day, very few of the TEABaggerz I asked knew the difference between total debt and annual deficits. Hell, Tina doesn’t!
I saw thousands of people dancing to a career politicians tune as he lambasted career politicians last year.
This year you lauded welfare queen LaMalfa as he told you welfare was bad!
What you have described in this piece is a trait shared by ALL partisans.
Y’know, there are folks who believe wholeheartedly in the TEA party’s objectives. You guys could actually affect change if you weren’t so partisan–and blind to common sense.
Quentin: ” He sank that Sherrod woman for what??”
Sherrod, if anything, ended up with a fabulous offer of a new job, which she chose to decline, sympathetic news coverage, and probably a shot at a lawsuit. The entire matter would have remained in the blogosphere had the President and the NAACP not reacted with such inane fear and used the resulting controversy to paint racism stripes where none belong.
“For all I know the old guy was a plant. For all I know, the whole thing is ANOTHER Breitbart made-up news piece.”
Yes that’s one possibility…so what!
“With the Supreme’s ruling that news orgs have a right to lie, you expect me to believe ANYthing this proven liar says?”
I don’t expect anything from you, quentin, except peevish, negative, attitude.
“You’re kidding, right?”
About what?
“very few of the TEABaggerz I asked knew the difference between total debt and annual deficits. Hell, Tina doesn’t!”
Is that right! Deficits occur when expenditures are greater than income. Debt is what accumulates due to massive deficit spending and borrowing.
“What you have described in this piece is a trait shared by ALL partisans.”
And? Quentin clones aren’t available as an alternative even if they were running for office, which they aren’t. We get to work with what we have. I’m afraid you will just have to get used to being an angry holier than thou a**hole.
“You guys could actually affect change if you weren’t so partisan–and blind to common sense.”
And you’d be a lot more effective if you’d get down off that high horse and offer an opinion or thought rather than standing apart looking down your nose.
I am a little disheartened that none of the protesters provided examples of the hate spewed by Breitbart and Beck. There are tons of examples out there. Media Matters provides new inflammatory quotes from them almost every day. Breitbart made a bold move by directly confronting the protesters so soon after the biggest embarrassment of his career, and it would have been nice to see his opposition prepared. But these were everyday people, and he’s a big-time “journalist.” I can see why they might have been intimidated. It’s sadly common for protesters to suddenly go quiet and be rendered unable to articulate their concerns when confronted. Tons of similar videos have Tea Partiers reacting in the same way. The interviewers always claim that their videos are evidence that their opponents don’t know what they’re talking about, don’t have coherent positions, etc. But all it really proves is that the few people interviewed (that the video shows) might be freezing under pressure. Protests like this do engender a mob mentality where facts become obscured by emotion. Still, what a wasted opportunity.
Someone could have also pointed out that the “SEIU guy beating up a black guy” story is only one interpretation of that incident. The question of who started that fight still hasn’t been resolved.
I still can’t tell if the woman said “I think he’s gay.” But I’m glad at least one member of the group apologized for that. Interesting, though, that they call the term “homophobic.” I thought the official Tea Party position was that homophobia isn’t real.
Tina: “They are told they need to go protest Beck, Palin, Breitbart, or Republican candidates because those people are hateful bigots that want to eliminate their jobs…or their union.”
Well, Breitbart and Beck have made their hatred of unions quite clear, so if union leaders are telling their employees this, they’re right.
“I am a little disheartened that none of the protesters provided examples of the hate spewed by Breitbart and Beck. There are tons of examples out there.”
–Name one. Specify.
Chris, I’m hoping that you would read a best seller called, “Arguing with Idiots”, I have it in a set of CD’s. I like the CD’s better because I can listen in the truck or car while I am running around.
I think if you listened to what was said here you would be forever a changed person with knowledge that exceeds your years.
I have already acknowledged you are very bright and talented, but IMHO you’re just a wee bit off the path to truth and enlightenment. However, you’re still open minded and approachable, unlike so many others that have fallen victim to the big propaganda machine (college). I wouldn’t waste my time making such a suggestion to Libby, she’s gone completely over to the dark side. Her mind is made up and facts only confuse and frustrate her to the point of anger. You on the other hand are still in the process acquiring more experience and more understanding to form your idealism and your core foundation.
Yes, absolutely…we would all love to hear some specific hate speech being spewed by Breitbart and Beck. We’re ready to rip on em…hey, not so long ago we held Breitbart accountable when he published a video that was sent to him that we felt misrepresented the facts, so what else can we get em on? We’re ready for action – just tell us.
Hal–I’ll give you two from each.
Let’s start with Beck. How about his insistence earlier this year that parishioners should leave their churches if they preach “social justice,” which he said is a code word for “communism” and “Nazism?” This amounts to an attack on Catholics, Jews, many prominent Christian denominations, and even his own Mormon church. He compared all of these religions to Nazis! That is unjustifiable hate and bigotry. And it wreaks of a man attempting to get his viewers to cut ties to institutions that Beck feels might give them ideas contrary to his own. This is cult leader behavior.
There’s also his declaration that Obama is a racist with a “deep-seated hatred of white people,” an assertion that is based on nothing other than hatred.
Breitbart’s forays into hatred are well-documented. Surely you haven’t forgotten the scandal he engineered in which he attempted to prove that the NAACP was racist by posting a video of a woman telling a story about how she overcame racism. This was based on hatred for the NAACP and the backwards, victim-blaming narrative that black people are the ones most responsible for modern-day racism. His hit job on ACORN was similarly hateful and fact-free. The videos supposedly proving unlawful conduct in the ACORN offices were heavily edited as well, though unlike the Sherrod story this was only discovered after the story was considered over by the media. ACORN’s funding had already been pulled, but eventually it was found that the organization had not broken the law.
These aren’t little things. These are attempts to destroy lives, all for the sake of power and attention. It’s sick.
Jack, I don’t know if I can bring myself to read an entire book by Glenn Beck. (Although I’m sure it will be easy to read, and probably contain a lot of pictures. Maybe even pop-ups.) If I do choose to read one, it will probably be The Overton Window, just for a laugh. I have followed his show, though, and I do think I am pretty informed on his views and how he argues them. I remain unimpressed. But perhaps if I have time someday I will skim through it.
When the Liberals or a so called “independent” call the Rush Limbaughs and the Glenn Becks liars, that is when I know Rush and Glenn are hitting the mark.
Chris: “Well, Breitbart and Beck have made their hatred of unions quite clear, so if union leaders are telling their employees this, they’re right.”
What is hated about unions isn’t the individuals that have chosen to be a member of a union, but tactics used to keep non-union workers from working or applying for work competitively, and union bosses using extortionist methods to obtain bloated compensation packages that destroy companies, industries, and government. They aren’t right…they are opportunistic a-holes using the force of numbers to enrich and empower themselves without regard for the damage they ultimately cause to their members and the companies that provide those jobs.
There is a valid reason for this anger. It is not personal nor is it misplaced.
“Someone could have also pointed out that the “SEIU guy beating up a black guy” story is only one interpretation of that incident. The question of who started that fight still hasn’t been resolved.”
The black guy was “charged” by the SEIU guy and ended up with injuries. He is the only person that had injuries. “Who started it” is irrelevant in an atmosphere of words being exchanged until someone starts being physical. The SEIU guy definitely started that and, since he has been in leadership in the union, should have known better and set a better example.
Let’s start with Beck. How about his insistence earlier this year that parishioners should leave their churches if they preach “social justice,” which he said is a code word for “communism” and “Nazism?” This amounts to an attack on Catholics, Jews, many prominent Christian denominations, and even his own Mormon church. He compared all of these religions to Nazis!
That is not what he said at all. No wonder you react so strongly! Do you have any knowledge at all of the background for liberation theology? If you value the Constitution you might want to look at this in terms of holding on to your freedom and the principles of “equal” justice.
There’s also his declaration that Obama is a racist with a “deep-seated hatred of white people,” an assertion that is based on nothing other than hatred.
There is at least as much evidence to demonstrate the Presidents hatred of white people as there is Becks so-called racism. The problem with PC thinking is that it diminishes the ability to make distinctions.
This was based on hatred for the NAACP and the backwards, victim-blaming narrative that black people are the ones most responsible for modern-day racism.
Thats why the NAACP, the organization that could have checked the tape and didnt bother, at first tossed Sherod under the bus in their scramble to cover their own bigoted, butts.
The videos supposedly proving unlawful conduct in the ACORN offices were heavily edited as well
Had they been edited in any way that changed the things those employees were saying the blogosphere would have put them out and the outrage would have been huge. You would not put up with any US corporation suggesting ways for clients to avoid taxes or start a brothel with under-aged illegal immigrants. The lack of outrage from the left over these startling revelations is outrageous and hypocritical. You should be happy he exposed the unseemly and unethical things that go on within this organization.
Attempts to destroy lives is an interesting argument. Many lives have been destroyed by the marriage of ACORN and the Democrat Party through the lending laws enacted by Congress under Dem leadership. Our entire economy has been destroyed, homes lost, families put on the street and poverty on the rise. This is the underlying reality that fuels fury in Beck, Breitbart and others on the right, left and in the middlenot racism.
I have followed his show, though, and I do think I am pretty informed on his views and how he argues them. I remain unimpressed. But perhaps if I have time someday I will skim through it.
You will remain unimpressed as long as you view the words they speak through the prism you have acquired in college. You have to be willing to set aside your certainty that this man is hateful and racist (not give it up; set it aside for the moment) to get what hes saying.
This is the thing that makes communication difficult. When labels are used, in place of arguments, prisms are created in our minds and words become altered by the angles and colors of the prism. Instead of having an experience of what the person is saying we record a distorted picture, an altered copy, fashioned from our own prejudice.
Toby you are absolutely right and one way we know this is that they have been saying this about Rush for years. It got to be laughable especially in the early years when obviously they had never listened to the man and yet had already formed strong negative opinions about him. I lost all respect when even so-called media and political professionals played the labeling game.
One other thing. You ever notice that those Liberals and so called “independents” never have a bad thing to say about the bullshit spewing from NPR, or the very Liberal media? Funny how that works.
Tina: “That is not what he said at all.”
It’s EXACTLY what he said. Here are the widely publicized quotes:
“I’m begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes!”
Later, Beck held up cards, one with a hammer and sickle and other with a swastika. “Communists are on the left, and the Nazis are on the right. That’s what people say. But they both subscribe to one philosophy, and they flew one banner. . . . But on each banner, read the words, here in America: ‘social justice.’ They talked about economic justice, rights of the workers, redistribution of wealth, and surprisingly, democracy.”
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/03/08/glenn-beck-urges-listeners-to-leave-churches-that-preach-social/
Please, explain to me how this is in any way different from what I said Glenn Beck said. It’ll be funny.
Chris: “It’s EXACTLY what he said. ** Please, explain to me how this is in any way different from what I said Glenn Beck said. It’ll be funny.”
What you said:
“This amounts to an attack on Catholics, Jews, many prominent Christian denominations, and even his own Mormon church.”
this is an attack on “social justice” being taught in churches…not an attack on the religions! He is issuing a warning that if your church or synagogue is preaching social justice you might, if you also care about preserving our republic, want to reconsider your affiliation with that particular church or synagogue.
The following history is what his warning is based in:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guides/Z-Social%20Justice-Code%20for%20Communism.htm
Quoting the President: Its not that I want to punish your success, I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, its good for everybody.
The leader of the Democrat Party is obviously in favor of social justice principles (equal outcomes realized through entitlement and redistribution of wealth). His policies and the legislation passed by the Democrats in Congress reflect these principles. This represents a Marxist approach to governance and is absolutely against the founding ideals of freedom and personal responsibility. A church that preaches social justice (through government programs and redistribution rather than private charity) might be one that a patriotic person would want to avoid.
Laugh it up, Chris but Beck is right on the money!
Since Q. took this discussion to the basement with his name calling I thought we’d all like to see the truth as it’s expressed by those who spoke them.
Attempts to rewrite history is not possible when the truth is known.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc
Peggy, what a great find. I’ll put it up on page one this weekend. Thanks! Jack
Tina,
Your link is simply wrong. The concept of social justice was neither “formed” nor popularized by Karl Marx. The term was actually coined by Luigi Taparelli DAzeglio, a Catholic priest, who drew on concepts of distributive justice advocated by Thomas Aquinas, but going all the way back to Aristotle. The term “social justice” can be found multiple times in the Catechism of the Catholic church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice#cite_note-autogenerated2006-0
Interestingly enough, the term social justice cannot be found on Marx’s Wikipedia page, nor can Karl Marx be found on the page for social justice. That’s because the two have very little to do with each other.
Even The Heritage Foundation backs me up on this:
http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/social-justice-not-what-you-think-it-is
Though the Heritage Foundation disagrees with the way social justice is commonly used by progressives today, they do not rebuke the concept of social justice as a whole, and they believe that social justice is a good thing when applied in what they see as it’s “true” form.
Beck sometimes takes a similar stance, but other times, like in the instance under discussion, he says that people should start running as soon as they hear the term “social justice.” This is not at all consistent. But Beck has never been a very consistent liar. He recently condemned Imam Rauf for saying that U.S. policy contributed to 9/11, even though Beck had said the same exact thing a year earlier. He is a huckster and a fraud. You may remember his assertion that the civil rights movement was not about social justice, an assertion that every educated person on the planet should know is completely false.
Factual concerns aside, it is the height of arrogance to get on national television and tell people to leave their churches. Especially when said churches are attended by millions of Americans, many of them conservatives who would otherwise agree with Beck on many issues. Can’t you acknowledge that this was, at least, extremely rude and condescending? Can’t you admit that Beck has no business butting his nose into where people go to church?
Mark it is NOT wrong! Read the first part again. The article does not say social justice was “formed” by Karl Marx. It does take up the history of social justice to the point when Karl Marx formed the “popular concept”. The modern concept. the concept practiced by people such as REv Jeremiah Wright. Social justice as a matter of personal conscience anfd the western rule of law is not the same thing. The concepts may run parallel but what is described in the article is certainly not wrong!
Try this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
Leftist progressives are always bleating about the “seperation of church and state”…unless they can use the church to their own Marxist purpose.
The Heritage Foundation backs up social justice in its “true form”. Beck was warning people to be on the look out for the (modern day) Marxist form.
“…it is the height of arrogance to get on national television and tell people to leave their churches.”
Could be, I don’t follow Beck so I will defend him only to the degree that I have. However, I will say it is equally ignorant for a former Vice President of the United States to run around the world in a jet telling us that the world is doomed if we don’t all jump on the green movement bandwagon. It is ignorant to give such a liar a Nobel Prize. It is ignorant for trained scientists to skew results and then boldly claim we must adopt a UN prootocal. It is ignorant to say it is already too late to stop the damage of AGW and then insist we must live in poverty as our planet dies. People say things out of their passions and we are all capable of saying things that may sound a nuts to others. So what? What bothers you? that he has a following?
“Can’t you acknowledge that this was, at least, extremely rude and condescending?”
It was an opinion. Are you saying his audience is too ignorant to decide for themselves about their own churches?
“Can’t you admit that Beck has no business butting his nose into where people go to church?”
If he were rounding people up and herding them away from churches or, as many greens do, trying to pass legislation that would regulate what can be taught in churches I’d say yes, he has no business butting in.
Come on, take him or leave him; he has no power over your life on this issue.
Jack, regarding posting Peggy’s “great find”…DONE!
Tina: “Mark it is NOT wrong!”
I’m Chris, not Mark.
“Read the first part again. The article does not say social justice was “formed” by Karl Marx.”
After reading it again, I think the wording is unclear. I can’t tell if Loberfield is saying that Marx formed “social justice,” which has become a popular concept, or that the concept already existed and Marx merely formed the “popular concept” of it.
“It does take up the history of social justice to the point when Karl Marx formed the “popular concept”.”
It doesn’t do that at all. It says “To understand “social justice,” we must contrast it with the earlier view of justice against which it was conceived,” and then discusses principles of “liberalism” as found in documents such as the Magna Carta and the Constitution. There is nothing written there about “the history of social justice” prior to Karl Marx.
This is misleading, because even if it doesn’t say that Karl Marx was the founder of the social justice movement, it does imply it. Loberfield also leaves out the fact that the term “social justice” is much more strongly associated with the Catholic Church and even people such as Martin Luther King, Jr. Loberfield is trying to get us to associate “social justice” with a person whom most Americans villainize, while leaving out that it’s more strongly associated with history’s heroes. As an emotional appeal, it’s quite effective, but as a solid, rational argument it is quite lacking in detail.
“Try this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
Liberation theology[1] is a movement in Christian theology which interprets the teachings of Jesus Christ in terms of a liberation from unjust economic, political, or social conditions.”
I am quite aware of what liberation theology is, Tina. It incorporates principles of social justice, but the two are not synonyms. Neither is social justice a synonym for Marxism, which is not a synonym for Communism or progressivism. These terms have been bandied about so much, and used as synonymous for so long by the right that they have lost all meaning. They are not the same thing, and it belies historical ignorance to pretend otherwise.
“The Heritage Foundation backs up social justice in its “true form”. Beck was warning people to be on the look out for the (modern day) Marxist form.”
Beck did not advise his listeners to distinguish between one form of social justice and another; he told them to run at the very mention of the term. He said that any use of the term is “code.” This amounts to telling all Catholics, Mormons, most Jews, and members of tons of other religious denominations to convert to another religion. I have seen you rail against intolerance towards Christians and Jews before. Why not now?
“Could be, I don’t follow Beck so I will defend him only to the degree that I have. However, I will say it is equally ignorant for a former Vice President of the United States to run around the world in a jet telling us that the world is doomed if we don’t all jump on the green movement bandwagon. It is ignorant to give such a liar a Nobel Prize. It is ignorant for trained scientists to skew results and then boldly claim we must adopt a UN prootocal. It is ignorant to say it is already too late to stop the damage of AGW and then insist we must live in poverty as our planet dies. People say things out of their passions and we are all capable of saying things that may sound a nuts to others. So what? What bothers you? that he has a following?”
Tina, there is quite a difference between warning people based on a mainstream interpretation of scientific data, and telling people to leave their churches. I don’t even see how the two are related.
“It was an opinion. Are you saying his audience is too ignorant to decide for themselves about their own churches?”
Well…I won’t go there. Regardless, it doesn’t matter how his followers react, it matters what he said, and what he said was horrible.
“Come on, take him or leave him; he has no power over your life on this issue.”
On the particular issue of where I go to church, no. But he is a very powerful man and he has sadly gained a large influence on the level of political discourse in our country. This should dismay anyone who cares about an informed, rational voting public.
Chris, I don’t have time to respond right now but will take a moment to apologize to you (and Mark) for the mix up. I’ve been sparring with Mark of late and I guess I just wasn’t done, LOL. Sorry guys, I’ll try to better keep my brain in gear in future!