by Jack
Pie Guevara speaks on the dirty tricks and thuggery coming from unions and the democrats. . .here are few of his right-on comments worth repeating on page one:
“From Lynching Racists to Sons Of Bitches to Barbarians. What next? Democrats are famous for this sort of extreme rhetoric. How do you spell “Desperation”. Extreme desperation. I think this crap from the Rats will backfire. Backfire big time. What do you think? Biden: “You Are The Only Folks Keeping The Barbarians From the Gates” http://www.hapblog.com/2011/09/biden-at-afl-cio-rally-you-are-only.html”
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Palin Answers Hoffa — http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150285058673435
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Few to none of the TEA party membership (at least that I know of) has ever engaged in this sort of concentrated and sustained rhetorical violence although Bachmann on one occasion used similar language. Who has the well documented history rhetorical and real violence? Democrats and other assorted progressives. For example, days after Barrack Obama gave his marching orders — “I want you to argue with them and get in their face.” — SEIU thugs mercilessly beat Kenneth Gladney to a pulp. Of course, the George Soros funded left wing propaganda rag Media Matters called the savage beating Gladney took a charade. Progressives have no shame.
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I think this crap from the Rats will backfire. Backfire big time. What do you think?” It already has — Obama hits all-time lows, according to NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44401295/ns/politics/ This poll was conducted just before Jimmy “The Toilet” Hoffa formulated his Labor Day excrement. It will be a few weeks before his and Joe Biden’s “Barbarians” speech sinks Obama even lower. Of course, Obama’s up coming “jobs” speech will likely have an even more significant effect than the execrable rhetoric coming from his surrogates. Give it three weeks and correct me if I am wrong.
You are constantly knocking em out of the park Pie! Keep it up.
Mr. Colgan seems to enjoy posting and re-posting this mocking and giggling canard of his.
Perhaps he thinks his admiration for Jimmy Hoffa and gun violence is not misplaced. Perhaps he thinks calling TEA party members racists is a good idea and furthers his cause. Perhaps he thinks the weird, stupid, disjointed, laughing, mocking hate speech he engages in daily here and on his own blog elevates his status amongst progressives and aids his political cause (whatever the heck that is).
We will see.
Some folks may also remember this time last year when Democrats were calling TEA party members racists, brown shirts, terrorists, and Nazis.
Then came the November election cycle and a seismic shift in American politics and a refutation of Obama and Democratic party excesses and their onslaught of rhetorical violence. Even the chosen one was stunned.
Pour it on, Mr. Colgan, pour it on. And we will see what it gets you.
How cute, Mr. Colgan. Evidently I am quite the stuntman in your eyes. I really must have really touched a nerve with you to deserve such focused attention. Oh well.
Seriously, Quentin, people get a load of you every day right here. No skit necessary. You are your own show, truly a legend in your own mind.
I am merely a fellow citizen who likes the Post Scripts blog and the people who run it. Watching you make a complete ass of yourself and stupidly insult these good people day in and day out has been mildly revealing, but I don’t think it makes much in the way of entertainment.
I hope you have fun with your “skit”, but honestly, I could not care less what you do, unless it were to drop dead. May I suggest you make your announcements to someone who actually gives a hoot?
As for “post production”, thanks for the belly laugh!
The only thing you are in post is post relevant.
Re Colgan’s: “The propaganda machine of the TEA Party tried to call it a seismic shift.”
Actually, Mr. Colgan, the “seismic shift” thing I borrowed from the United Kingdoms premier, most influential, most important, anti-capitalist, left-wing progressive Marxist publication, The Guardian.
You have heard of “The Guardian”, haven’t you? They are the UK version of “The Nation” except they publish daily and are better at it. You have heard of the “The Nation” haven’t you? Or are you, Mr. Colgan, so parochial that you don’t even bother to read anything outside of your own blog and your comments on Post Scripts?
Do you recall, Mr. Colgan, when you idiotically and ignorantly wrote that The Guardian was a affiliated with Fox News? Do you remember what you do or say from one hour to the next?
“Tea Party victories show seismic shift in US politics”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/03/tea-party-victories-us-politics
Read it for yourself Quentin, if you have enough time between your busy schedule of scant to nothing blog writing, skit creation, post relevance, and spending so much of your valuable time making a complete ass yourself in this forum.
“SEIU thugs mercilessly beat Kenneth Gladney to a pulp.”
LOL! Pie, how can one be said to have been “mercilessly beaten to a pulp” when they are able to leap right up off the ground immediately after? A “pulp” can’t do that.
Also, it’s funny that you point out how Media Matters determined that Gladney’s version of events was not true, but you don’t bring up the more important point that this same conclusion was arrived at by a court of law. (As well as anyone whose eyes aren’t permanently clouded by partisan bias and legends of union “thugs.”)
Your side was completely wrong on this incident. It was obvious you were wrong when the video first came out, and it was obvious when Gladney’s story kept changing throughout the entire case. Get over it already.
Mr. Hoffa is the leader of the Teamsters. The Teamsters are the most violent union in our nation’s history. After watching the Teamsters’ performance during a labor dispute some years ago, I doubt the reference to “take them out” referred only to votes.
Re Chris’: “SEIU thugs mercilessly beat Kenneth Gladney to a pulp.”
LOL!”
It figures that you would find this a laughing matter, Chris. No surprises there.
I hope you got a good long laugh, you despicable jerk. I always suspected you were as every bit of the dirt-bag you appear to be, thanks for the confirmation.
Gladney was hospitalized, his assailants publicly admitted to beating him in open court, and they got off.
You think that would be enough for you progressive thugs. But no, you have to lie and laugh and make fun too. Gfy, you horrid little man.
Chris, you are just about the poorest excuse for a human being I have ever had to displeasure to converse with.
You and Quentin Colgan are two peas in a pod.
Have a nice laugh. I sincerely and deeply hope it happens to you with hospitalization required. Of course, not as the result of your execrable politics, just for you being the jerk you are and doing it at the wrong place at the wrong time. May you have a nice laugh spitting up blood all the way to the hospital, you odious creep.
Maybe that would give you some reasonable perspective. But I doubt it. No beating ever wised up a bag of doorknobs.
Re J Soden’s: The Teamsters are the most violent union in our nation’s history. After watching the Teamsters’ performance during a labor dispute some years ago, I doubt the reference to “take them out” referred only to votes.
I agree. Hoffa’s comments were a very thinly disguised call for violence. Union thugs know exactly what he meant but he said it in a way so that the two faced, violence approving and seeking, left-wing progressive hooligans (some who frequent this blog) can pose and dance around Hoffa’s call for “political” blood.
Threat and intimidation are also violence and that is what the Teamsters and Hoffa are all about, threat, intimidation, and physical violence.
I remember getting nails in all four tires, destroying them, when I went shopping near a Safeway when they were having union contract negotiations. I didn’t go anywhere near the Safeway but had my tires destroyed by union thugs because they spread nails all over the entire parking lot, even a block away from the Safeway.
Q: “Winning a race with poor turnout means absolutely nothing.”
So…you’re already admitting FAILURE!!!
Low turn out will mean nobody thought enough of Obama to turn out and vote for him.
DEDICATED TEA PARTY PATRIOTS will all came out to vote.
Of course it means something…no matter how many people turn out, the election will result in a change in government.
Chris: “Your side was completely wrong on this incident. It was obvious you were wrong when the video first came out, and it was obvious when Gladney’s story kept changing throughout the entire case. Get over it already.”
You’re something else, Chris. I can’t believe you buy into the manufactured deflection and defense of the SEIU thug that attacked Gladney.
Whether Mr. Gladney was beaten to a pulp or simply pushed or hit (the hospital did treat injuries) there is no doubt that the SEIU thug attacked the man inapropriately. The courts decision is also suspect.
I expect dirty tricks from this bunch…the thuggish activity preceeds them. The attacker is a union leader and should know better but their Saul Alinsky marching orders, “I want you to get in their faces…” and training are directed from high places. This isn’t the first time in American that injustices have been done but I am certain that is exactly what happened in Mr. Gladneys case. There is no excuse for what was done to this innocent black man.
Other cases since this administration took office have been suspect as well. Politics is running our justice system.
The violence Jimmy “Take the bastards out” Hoffa called for has already begun.
Union thug alert: Day of Rage festivities
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/08/union-thug-alert-day-of-rage-festivities-start-early-in-longview-wa/
Hundreds of Longshoremen stormed the Port of Longview early Thursday, overpowered and held security guards, damaged railroad cars, and dumped grain that is the center of a labor dispute, said Longview Police Chief Jim Duscha.
Six guards were held hostage for a couple of hours after 500 or more Longshoremen broke down gates about 4:30 a.m. and smashed windows in the guard shack, he said.
No one was hurt, and nobody has been arrested. Most of the protesters returned to their union hall after cutting brake lines and spilling grain from car at the EGT terminal, Duscha said.
The International Longshore and Warehouse Union believes it has the right to work at the facility, but the company has hired a contractor thats staffing a workforce of other union laborers.
Pie Guevara’s summary:
Kidnap, hostages taken.
Property vandalized and destroyed.
NO ARRESTS.
Chris and Quentin must be laughing their hats off.
Re Tina’s: “Whether Mr. Gladney was beaten to a pulp or simply pushed or hit (the hospital did treat injuries) there is no doubt that the SEIU thug attacked the man.
At least four SEIU thugs attacked Mr. Gladney, only two were prosecuted. Both defendants admitted to the beating in court.
Obviously Chris has never had the benefit of a good, solid beating. Two on one, four on one, either would do the job. Evidently Chris needs a personal introduction to this special life experience to get the proper perspective. So do the scum at Media Matters.
Chris obviously has no understanding how the body pumps adrenalin when faced with violence and injury. I know this adrenalin pump well from the time I was a victim of a viscous and violent attack. Under such conditions the human body can endure a lot of severe injury and pain. It is only until after the adrenaline rush is over that you realize just how bad your injuries are.
There is no doubt in my mind that Kenneth Gladney leapt up in an adrenaline rush, probably believing he needed to escape his attackers. They hadn’t beat him unconscious, they had merely beat him. LOL! (No, I am not laughing out loud, that was for Chris.)
In the past, I would have never wished what happened to Kenneth Gladney (or myself) on anyone.
Chris is the first exception. He needs a little education. I really do hope he gets it so he can evaluate, first hand, up close and personal, just how much of a mockable and laughable an experience it is to have multiple assailants beat a person up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQp9rnsuEk
A few facts about the Kenneth Gladney beating and SEIU thug trial. Make of it what you will. Heck, even laugh about it if you want —
Gladney, a cancer survivor, was treated for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face in the emergency room of the St. Johns Mercy Medical Center.
The mainstream national media ignored the crime.
Two and 1/2 months AFTER the beating, charges were filed against his six assailants.
Two years after the beating SEIU members Elston McCowan and Perry Molens go to trial for misdemeanor assault and plead not guilty.
The SEIU donated $50,000 to Media Matters.
St. Louis County Prosecutors watered-down the charges.
Prosecutors never checked St. Johns Hospital for medical records of Gladney’s injuries.
Prosecutors never interviewed any witnesses.
Both defendants admitted to beating Gladney in open court.
Both defendants got off.
Facts Not In Evidence:
The jury was packed with people like Chris.
The prosecutors didn’t do their jobs on purpose.
Law enforcement did not do their jobs on purpose.
Law enforcement and the DA’s office delayed evidence gathering when they simply did not do it at all.
The charging prosecution of this crime was delayed until local public outcry forced them to do their jobs. A good show of solidarity with SEUI, no?
St. Louis County law enforcement and the DA’s office circled the wagons. The trial was a whitewash charade, not the beating victim, Mr. Gladney
Pie: “It figures that you would find this a laughing matter, Chris. No surprises there.”
Pie, you’re missing the joke. (“No surprises there,” as you would say.)
The incident itself–which was a minor altercation of the sort that happens every single day somewhere in this country–wasn’t funny. Your breathless, over-the-top, and just plain FALSE summary of the events is what’s funny. And it’s hilarious that there is a whole community of conservatives like you who have managed to dupe themselves into believing the absurd myth of the savage beating of Kenneth Gladney, despite all evidence that it this not at all an accurate depiction of events.
You did not answer my question: how can someone be said to have been “mercilessly beaten to a bloody pulp” when they are able to get right up off of the ground two seconds after? It doesn’t make sense.
This site has the full video, as well as a long list of lies and inconsistencies told by Kenneth Gladney and his witnesses. He even showed up to Tea Party events and press conferences in a wheelchair, which he clearly didn’t need. You’ve been snookered, Pie.
http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2010/04/case-against-tea-partykenneth-gladney.html
“Gladney was hospitalized,”
“Hospitalized” implies being taken away in an ambulance to a hospital. This did not happen. He sought treatment from a hospital–there is a difference.
“his assailants publicly admitted to beating him in open court,”
Citation, please? I was unable to find evidence that this is true.
Tina: “Whether Mr. Gladney was beaten to a pulp or simply pushed or hit”
That you can so easily shrug off such a major difference as if it’s nothing indicates that you are not interested in the truth of this matter, Tina.
“there is no doubt that the SEIU thug attacked the man inapropriately.”
There is doubt. The video does not show who attacked whom first.
“The courts decision is also suspect.”
Based on what? The fact that it doesn’t justify your conservative persecution narrative?
Do you have any actual evidence to justify your charge that the court’s decision is “suspect?”
“Other cases since this administration took office have been suspect as well.”
What does “this administration” have to do with the Gladney case? Are you under the impression that the verdict was decided by the DOJ? Or do you think President Obama personally paid off a judge in order to…what, exactly? Make sure that union members never have to answer to misdemeanor charges? This incident has certainly sparked numerous conspiracy theories, and it would be interesting to know which one, specifically, you’re entertaining at the moment.
Pie, I’m sorry that happened to you. We should be a more civilized people, but unfortunately we’re not and we still have too many bullies running around in need of a good thumping.
Your story reminded me of the fights I used to get into as a cop. When people resisted an arrest I rarely got tough, but it was enough to call it a fight. Using restraint is just part of the job as far as I was concerned. So I never tried to deliberately hurt anyone, well, almost never. lol
All totaled I’ve had probably over 300 fights, kinda lost count, but that was just fairly normal in our work week, that went on year after year. It just ads up if you last long enough. But, mostly these (so called fights) were just a bar drunk trying to act bad or somebody who lost their temper and then it was wham – bam, down for cuffing, no big. But, there was a few times when the bad guys got really serious and then they got seriously hurt in return. The guys I worked with were all hard men and they didn’t take a lot of lip, and throwing a punch at one of them was big mistake that today would probably windup being investigated for excessive force…which is BS.
No cop is ever paid to take a beating, and so when somebody tries it, then as far as we were concerned, whatever happens next is on them. It kinda works like this, if they went for a pool stick you go for a bar stool, if they pull a knife, you pull a gun. It was never supposed to be a fair fight. However, for those who thought they were tough, they always had to learn the hard way.
Re Chris’: You’ve been snookered, Pie.
No I haven’t. You have been. And willingly. You are a willing, mindless, mocking, laughing, despicable stooge and I am done with you.
Get it?
May you get the well deserved beating you need some day. It just might wake you up.
Re Chris’: You did not answer my question: how can someone be said to have been “mercilessly beaten to a bloody pulp” when they are able to get right up off of the ground two seconds after? It doesn’t make sense.
I did answer your question, just not to you. It was answered in a post to Tina. Except for this post. I am completely done with conversing with you now.
Go to hell. Drop dead. ESAD. How many ways are there to say it? Chris, you are dead to me. Period.
Pie: “Facts Not In Evidence”
What an Orwellian term. A more accurate description for the list you present after this would be “Unfounded Conspiracy Theories.”
It also turns out that your claim, “Both defendants admitted to beating Gladney in open court,” is entirely false, according to CBS St. Louis.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/07/12/acquittal-in-town-hall-assault-case/
“McCowan testified that Gladney was the first to turn what had been a verbal argument into a physical fight. Molens testified that he came upon a fight in progress and pulled Gladney off his fellow union member McCowan.”
CBS St. Louis also reports on conflicting claims made by Gladney.
“During his closing argument, D Agrosa questioned whether Gladney was wearing a neck brace to the trial for sympathy, saying it reminded him of a Brady Bunch episode.
Gladney had testified that he underwent recent neck surgery not related to the August 2009 fight. Later, outside the court, Gladney told a reporter he belived his neck problems were the result of blunt trauma he suffered in the fight.”
I understand that no one likes to be proven wrong, Pie, but that’s no reason to wish physical harm upon me.
Re Jack’s Comments:
What can I say? I have been the victim of extreme physical violence twice in my life. The second incident permanently maimed me for my entire adult life.
Both attacks were the result of not being aware of my surroundings. Not that, in either case, I could have done much about it unless I had been armed. If I had been armed in the first I may have avoided a beating. If I had been armed in the second, I would still would be permanently maimed.
I had two other actual fights (not the later grotesque, one sided assaults) in my life. Both of then occurred before I entered high school and both I was forced into by bullies (who now, no doubt, work for the SEUI). I successfully fought off first and the second quit when he broke his hand on my jaw. My jaw was sore for weeks and my face looked like I had stuck it in an industrial fan. Oh yeah, being beaten is a mockable, laughable thing.
Ask Kenneth Gladney.
Ask Chris.
I have never been a fighter, but it is something I should have probably learned. I prefer to walk from, run from, sneak away, or completely avoid violence in the first place, not meet it head on.
I know personally what it means to be beaten and maimed. I also know how easy it is to kill a human being having experienced near death up close and personal. I was lucky to survive but sometimes I think I would have been better off dead. (Not often, but sometimes.)
Basically, being assaulted hurts like a sonofabitch and, with severe nerve damage it never stops. It is something you have to get used to and it takes years. I don’t know how the wounded coming back from Iraq or Afghanistan, losing limbs and some, astonishingly, going back into to service do it and manage it.
As such, I have a keen personal knowledge of what police officers face daily, and I appreciate their bravery, valor, and sense of duty. The physical demands are treacherous, intense skills training are required, and the potential for severe injury profound.
Thank you for your service, Jack.
Recently I put a down payment on the the first burning propellant firearm I have ever owned in my life. In fact, outside of air propelled and spring propelled BB and pellet guns, milk straw spit wads, sling shots, and bows, I can count the times I have ever fired a projectile weapon on two hands.
When I take possession I have scheduled to take multiple, repeat courses on gun safety and basics before entering into target shooting and defensive training.
I am little more than an old man whose body has been beaten to a pulp, but all my life I have wanted to learn, if I can, the proper and safe operation of the great equalizer.
Hopefully, I will soon be doing just that.
Pie, I’ve never recommended this to someone before, but maybe you need to go smoke some weed or something. Anything to get you to CHILL OUT. I’ve gotten into a lot of heated exchanges with Jack, Tina, and other people on this blog, and I’ve never seen anyone react the way you do to the people you disagree with. Your responses are hysterical and usually completely out of proportion to those of the people arguing with you. Maybe you won’t respond to this, or even read it–although I’ve seen plenty of people claim they are never going to respond to another commenter online, and they almost always eat their words later–but just know that I have no hard feelings toward you, and I hope some day we will be able to have a respectful debate without you making every little thing into a personal attack.
Again we have the tiresome tactic of declaring victory to win an argument. Evidently Chris believes he has “proved me wrong” while proving nothing. This is a typical tactic of the left, progressives, and other assorted creatures with a political axe to grind.
Both McCowan and Perry admitted in open court that they had beaten Gladney.
McGowen testified that Gladney was the first to make the situation physical.
Fellow SEIU thug Molens chimed in.
No counter witnesses were called. No medical records were brought into evidence.
I sincerely hope that, in the event of Chris getting a good, solid, hospitalization required beating by several people —
One of the assailants testifies that Chris started it.
One of the assailants friends agrees.
No other witnesses are called.
And any and all of Chris’ assailants get off as the result.
I really do.
Then I hope the assailants friends focus on a character assassination of Chris.
You see, for progressive thugs like Chris it isn’t enough to get off for a crime, you have to continue to beat up the victim further after the verdict.
Trust me, even if the SEUI thugs had been convicted, folks like Chris would still be beating up in Gladney.
Nothing short of all out destruction is acceptable. Why do you think the SEUI gave $50,000 to Media Matters? For the follow up.
Pie I wish you much luck on your weapons safety courses. I have confidence that you can do it and moreover, that you should do it. It’s your right to own a firearm and feel secure in your home. After the course get a CCW permit then you can take comfort in knowing Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson or Mr. Colt are walking with you to keep you safe, they are good company to keep.
Pie, I am very sorry for what you went through. No one should be attacked like that. But given your experiences, you of all people should be able to tell the difference between being “mercilessly beaten to a pulp” and what happened to Gladney. Even taking into account your adrenaline theory, the video doesn’t show a scratch on the guy. He doesn’t appear to be bleeding. Even if he was injured, “beaten to a pulp” is a silly way to describe what happened. When you are “beaten to a pulp,” you don’t get up for a while.
“Oh yeah, being beaten is a mockable, laughable thing.
Ask Kenneth Gladney.
Ask Chris.”
Once again, Pie, being beaten isn’t laughable. Pretending to have been beaten, while making up elaborate and inconsistent stories in order to keep up this pretense, is. I’ve already made it clear that I don’t believe Gladney was beaten, and a court of law agreed with me. You’ve yet to show any evidence that I’m wrong, you’ve just made claims without backing them up. So you are, once again, making a false statement about me by saying that I believe being beating is laughable.
“Both McCowan and Perry admitted in open court that they had beaten Gladney.”
This is the second time you’ve made this claim without citing where you got this information from. I asked you for a citation earlier, because this claim doesn’t line up with the information I posted from CBS St. Louis. It also defies all common sense. If McCowan and Perry had admitted in court that they had beaten Gladney, they would essentially have been pleading guilty to the charges against them. Clearly, that did not happen. So please, for the second time, let us know where you are getting this information from so that we can evaluate it properly.
“No counter witnesses were called. No medical records were brought into evidence.”
Assuming this is even true, then why the hell didn’t Gladney present this? Isn’t it his responsibility to make sure his lawyers present this information? And if, for some bizarre reason*, they refuse, can’t he just fire them and choose to represent himself? Surely he has access to his own medical records and would be able to admit this as evidence for his case?
Unless, of course, the medical records DON’T actually support his case. I’ve already shown you, from the CBS article, that Gladney made conflicting statements about his neck brace, even AFTER the trial was over. Doesn’t that make you question his other claims about his injuries?
By the way, Reverend McCowan did present HIS medical records to the court.
From the same CBS St. Louis link I posted earlier:
“DAgrosa also asked the jury to consider that the only participant in the fight with documented injuries was McCowan, who had been treated for a dislocated shoulder and broken shoulder bone.”
And here’s the video that started all this, for the record:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w&feature=player_embedded
*The reason you seem to be implying is that the prosecution intentionally bungled the case because…why, exactly? On second thought, maybe weed wouldn’t be the best thing for someone already inclined toward nonsensical conspiracy theories.
Do you really?
Pie strikes me as the sort of fella that gets you gun nuts all that bad press … just the tiniest bit unhinged, don’t ya know.
The initial post struck me as somewhat unhingedd, and I try not to fan the flames more than is prudent. Was that really your work, Jack?
How’s thing’s going with you, marketwise?
One would have to suppose, badly.
So are you and Pie, faced with an existence funded solely by Social Security, going to go postal on us? I do hope not.
Folks following the above thread may find this summary helpful.
A poster who calls himself Chris comes into this forum and proceeds to laugh at and mock beating victim Kenneth Gladney and me.
I respond to his reprehensible behavior.
I explain the significant faults in the trial and the long delay and lack of law enforcement response to this crime. The police dropped the ball, the DA’s office followed up in kind.
He then declares victory for having proved me wrong by proving nothing and continues to beat up on the victim.
For this I am now called hysterical.
For this I am further advised, astonishingly, to take a psychotropic drug!
I admit I was a bit harsh by telling this person to drop dead.
Sorry about that.
I have a bad habit of telling people who mock and laugh at the beating of others, people who then also turn around and attack the victim, and people who are, evidently given Chris’ last post, drug addled nitwits to drop dead.
I have known plenty of drug addled nitwits in my time. Some of them are dead. Some might as well be dead.
I have seen the devastation drug abuse brings, including the abuse of marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, or a mix of all or some. You can include alcohol abuse in that group too. Drug abuse (that I have seen, anyway) crosses over all.
I have a suggestion for Chris. Maybe he will read it. Maybe not. I don’t care one way or the other. This is not really for Chris. It is for anyone considering taking up the dubious pastime of sucking the acrid smoke from weed into their soft, pink lungs.
I suggest that the deliberate inhalation of the concentrated toxic smoke from any burning plant just isn’t very bright. Think about it.
I further suggest that Chris (or any dope smoker) stop sucking the acrid smoke of dope into his lungs, and stop turning what little brains you do have left into THC mush.
Truly chill out. Discover how long can you go before you just have to have another joint, eh? Give it a shot. Push yourself past the aching, constant need. Just try it.
Dope heads claim that dope isn’t addictive and just keep smoking. (Alcoholics do the same.) I would laugh, but it isn’t funny. It is sad. It causes great misery in the lives of the abusers and those around them.
No wonder Media Matters has a following. They depend on drug addled nitwits for a clientele.
Chill out indeed.
Hey Libs..wassup…well, I think Pie is hindged up just fine. Not to worry.
My main concern is that people who can legally own weapons know how to use them, and they know the law.
As for the market: We could talk a long time over a cup of coffee on this one. So many things going on, it’s confusing, its skitzo , real irradic behavior and almost impossible to read, but if I had to pick a direction, as in, are we headed up or down – I’ll say down, probably more towards Dec. Things don’t look good.
How are you doing, head above the tide still? Later Libs…gotta pick up my Chinese Orange Chicken for tonights din.
Thanks Jack.
If I become reasonably proficient at target shooting and defense/combat shooting I may get a CC permit, but I would first have to purchase a smaller and lighter weapon to actually carry. If I do not become proficient, I can always sell the thing. Safety is, of course, a huge issue for me. It all takes practice. Lots of practice.
To be honest, the idea of owning such a weapon is a quite intimidating. But I know if I get safe handling and target acquisition down to second nature I’ll be a lot more comfortable. It is like any skill, it has to be developed through repetition.
Anyway, this is just something I have always wanted to try so I finally made the plunge. I should have done it 30 years ago.
Of course, now I am an am unhinged gun nut, according to one of the usual suspects who hangs out in here.
Oh well. So it goes. I have been called worse by better.
Pie, if you don’t mind me asking, what did you buy (type of gun)?
Okay Libby…we’re trying to do some conflict resolution.
Pie, I’ve smoked pot a grand total of two times in my entire life. The last time was about a year and a half ago. But thank you for proving my point. I ask you, in an off-color way, to unwind a little, and you go off on a rant about the perils of drug addiction.
Could you consider, at some point, responding to my actual arguments for why I don’t believe Kenneth Gladney was a victim of beating?
I have ordered an S&W 627 similar to the one in the following video, but without all the bells and whistles. The equipment used is detailed in at the 1:37 mark.
The video shows Julie Golob on a competition course. This woman’s amazing skill inspired me to make up my mind to go ahead and take the plunge. She makes it look so easy, but I know it is not —
2010 International Revolver Championships – Julie G
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNL_oOVGCKY
Of course, I do not ever expect to perform at this level, but, eventually, I would like to try out course like the one shown here. At least, that is my ultimate goal.
By the way, here is a video of an absolutely amazing teenage competition shooter. Here she uses a semiautomatic Glock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KnBDIbgbMk
Pie, you have made a wise choice. I carried a similar version of this particular S&W for about 10 years and I also shot competition with it. One of the nice things about this revolver is the price of ammo. .38 cal wad-cutters are about as cheap as you can get. They have low recoil so you can work on your sight picture and control. Then you can add magnum loads and they have all the stopping power you would ever want. You did well, very well, and I’m sure you’re going to love this weapon.
I will try .38 calliber ammunition in it, but wonder if it is really necessary anymore. Besides, .38 special is more fouling because of the short case.
I have done a fair amount of research on ammunition, but certainly have no claim to any expertise whatsoever.
Today you can get low power .357 mag loads. In particular, low power cowboy shooting competition loads. They aren’t as cheap as .38, but they aren’t that costly either. (Especially if I ever do my own loading.) There are also low flash/low recoil types.
I’ll be comparing .357 700ft/sec – 1000ft/sec low mass projectiles against the .38 and see how I like it and compare costs. I hope to find two basic .357 loads to shoot 99% of the time — an inexpensive low power/low velocity and a medium power/medium velocity. If low power/low velocity is good enough to knock down iron, I’ll probably stick with that for everything.
Of course, I’ll have to try out the high power hunting loads, but they are likely way too punishing to shoot more than a few at a setting.
Pie: “I admit I was a bit harsh by telling this person to drop dead.
Sorry about that.”
OK. Apology accepted.
But I’m less interested in apologies and personal matters, and more interested in getting to the truth. You have claimed, twice, that both McCowan and Perry admitted in open court to having beaten Kenneth Gladney. Twice I have asked you to provide evidence for this claim, and you have not done so.
This is the most important point in your argument. Obviously, if your claim is true, than the argument is over. You will have been right, and I will have been wrong. I would have to apologize for saying that Kenneth Gladney was not a victim of a beating. There would be no reason for McCowan or Perry to say that they beat him unless they actually had. If they say they beat him, then they did.
But you have not told us where you read that McCowan and Perry confessed to beating Kenneth Gladney, and I have not seen this reported anywhere but from you. Before you tell me to do my own research, I already have. I even ventured over to Andrew Breitbart’s website to see if you got that information there, but there was no mention of the two admitting to beating Gladney. If they had actually done this, I would certainly expect Big Government, which has been championing Gladney’s case for years, to mention it.
So I ask you, for the third time, to provide evidence that your claim is true. If you are able to prove it, then I will have to apologize, and I will also have to become outraged at why a jury and every news source I’ve read about this story, even the right-wing ones, managed to ignore such damning evidence.
But so far, I have no reason to believe your claim. It doesn’t make sense. It’s not logical. But if you can prove it’s true, and that this actually happened in the courtroom, then I will eat my words.
If you can’t…well, then I don’t see how we can trust anything you say from this point on.
While I am at it, Jack, have you ever invested in one of these?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-Liter-6-25-Gallon-Ultrasonic-Cleaner-Basket-1400W-/280735266901?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415d203855
I have already made up a batch of Ed’s Red and a soaking tank out of an Army surplus ammo case for, hopefully, hassle free low abrasion cleaning but was thinking that the only way to avoid any brushing would be by going ultrasonic. Of course, in either situation, the grips must be removed before cleaning.
The large ultrasonic large tank linked to above would be big enough for a couple of large, reproduction black powder revolvers. (Another interest of mine yet to be explored. One thing at a time.)
Any thoughts, suggestions, or comments on ultrasonic cleaning?
Hmmm.nope never tried one. Ultrasonic might be good for cleaning a lot of things made out of metal, but I wouldn’t suggest you use it on your Smith and Wesson. I think Hoppe’s #9 cleaning solution is best for your new weapon.
Soapy water is great for black powder. I’ve always cleaned my black powder pistol in hot soapy water and then applied a thin film of oil to keep it from rusting. I shoot a .44 cal new model army. Hardly new…its an 1860 model.
Its a lot of fun, it throws a large plume of smoke and huge ball of lead, and it’s messy with all the bullet grease splatters, the oily smoke residue, etc. It’s good out to about 25 yards with consistent accuracy, then the lack of modern sights takes its toll. At 50 yards I would be lucky to hit the target! lol
Pie Guevara, since you still have not provided any citation or evidence for your claim that “Both McCowan and Perry admitted in open court that they had beaten Gladney,” and since I’ve been unable to find any source, whether mainstream, left-wing, or right-wing, that can verify this information, I can only conclude that it’s completely false. Perhaps you heard it somewhere and can’t remember, perhaps you misinterpreted some information, or perhaps you just intentionally made it up. Either way, it’s now clear that you don’t know nearly as much about this case as you say, and some of what you say you do know about it is based on a lie. Your conclusions about this case are false; how could they not be, when they are based on false premises?
I stand by my argument that Kenneth Gladney was not the victim of a beating, and that he exaggerated his injuries for monetary gain and possibly because of the fifteen minutes of fame his false “conservative martyr” story brought him. This is the only explanation that accounts for why he did not choose to present his medical records to the court, while McCowan was able to document his own injuries; the many inconsistencies and changes Gladney made to his argument over the two years since the initial incident; how Gladney was able to rise right up off the ground with no visible injuries after he was allegedly “mercilessly beaten to a pulp.”
This explanation is far more compelling than your conspiracy theory that the SEIU, with orders straight from the president, beat this man, and that Gladney’s own prosecution team colluded with the judge and jury in order to conceal Gladney’s medical records, which he could have presented to the court at any time himself, in order to intentionally lose their case so as to shield two union members from misdemeanor charges. According to your theory, the two union members even admitted in open court that they had beaten Gladney, which was exactly what they were charged with, yet the jury for some reason ignored this completely and found them not guilty.
That theory doesn’t make sense, Pie. It is absolutely absurd.
That ludicrous theory is what I have been mocking and laughing at this whole time. I have not been, as you falsely charge, “mocking a beating victim,” because there was no beating victim in this case. There was only an opportunistic man who found himself with the backing of an entire community of right-wing liars, who were desperate to put forward a face for their victimhood narrative. And what luck, that this face happened to be black! It was the perfect opportunity to counter charges of racism and violent rhetoric and throw them back in the faces of liberals.
The only problem is, their version of events wasn’t true. In fact, it was ridiculously, obviously untrue, made clear by Gladney’s inability to keep his stories straight, as well as similar inability by his supporting witnesses. He was unable to make a compelling case in court because he had no case. And that is why a jury found that the two union members did not beat Kenneth Gladney.
Other liberals and I will remember Kenneth Gladney for a long time. We will remember how many conservatives constructed a false narrative with more holes than Swiss cheese, and willfully ignored the inconsistencies they were faced with, all because they desperately wanted to validate their persecution complex. We will remember how this partisan desire overruled their common sense and the need for justice, and how they were so willing to falsely charge two innocent men with a savage beating only to fulfill their desire for a good martyr.
We will remember Kenneth Gladney, and you will wish we hadn’t.